overtaking ( at the lights !) :mad:

RobAMerc

wtf is it with folks passing you at the lights and stopping in front of you. It particularly galls me when its some clown you have left for dead while riding, then comes past you and pull in front of you and half way out into the junction.

Would these folks try this in their car ?

I am going to start shouting at people who do this in future. I hate to sound aggressive but these folks are just idiots.

jon1981

Yeah really annoying, i think some of them try to prove a point... aha you flew past me but you still got caughts at the lights! I find it really petty but learned to live with it

RobAMerc

actually I dont think its done because I have overtaken them, its just people being dicks trying to get to the top of the queue ( then making everyone wait for them while they wobble about trying to kick off )

omri

RobAMerc wrote: »

wtf is it with folks passing you at the lights and stopping in front of you. It particularly galls me when its some clown you have left for dead while riding, then comes past you and pull in front of you and half way out into the junction.

Would these folks try this in their car ?

I am going to start shouting at people who do this in future. I hate to sound aggressive but these folks are just idiots.

You need to train harder so that by the time the RED turns GREEN the "clowns" will still be far behind you. As the meerkats say "simples"..

Raam

No need to shout.
Don't stress yourself out.
Pass them again.
Pass them better.

Youngblood.III

Is this you OP?

Rude Cyclist Gets Instant Karma: https://youtu.be/7DyBW-41xGM

Buchaill_Mor

Raam wrote:

No need to shout. Don't stress yourself out. Pass them again. Pass them better.

This.

Cienciano

Get this all the time along the canal, and it's bumper to bumper traffic with a cycle lane, hard to pass out. Really annoying

RobAMerc

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Is this you OP?

Rude Cyclist Gets Instant Karma: https://youtu.be/7DyBW-41xGM

haha no. although I hate clowns who suddenly find themselves in a hurry when you pass them and have to pass you back ( often to develop some weird chain issue 200 mts up the road and have to stop (dying))

thelawman

don't stop at the lights, simples,

nak

Happens a lot to women, some men automatically assume they're faster, or cannot stand being dropped by one. The canal is really annoying as it can be difficult to pass people in heavy traffic.

Jawgap

The Shoals of Idiocy

On the other hand, during the week other riders do engage in behavior that is an affront to their fellow humans, and one such behavior is "shoaling." As I've explained before, no rider, no matter how slow or diminutive, will ever come to a stop behind another rider at a red light. Instead, it is standard practice to pass that rider and stop in front of him, even if this involves doing so in the middle of the crosswalk or in the actual intersection, well ahead of the traffic signal. "Shoaling" is an incredibly rude practice, and it's tantamount to cutting in front of someone at an ATM, supermarket checkout, or urinal line. Yet while people will speak up if someone cuts ahead of them in line, nobody ever speaks out against the equally offensive practice of shoaling.

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nak wrote: »

Happens a lot to women, some men automatically assume they're faster, or cannot stand being dropped by one. The canal is really annoying as it can be difficult to pass people in heavy traffic.

Yup this x 100. Their ego's can't take it. Although I wonder why they're putting themselves through it given that you pass them out 50m later! It happens to me almost every day. The funniest are those guys who shoal out by you, keep looking behind when they take off and burst themselves trying to stay out front. I always pass them out aggressively casual - one hand on the bars, yawning, fixing my top, or freewheeling by.
It's incredibly irritating though. I hate the canal especially for it in rush hour as you said you get stuck behind them crawling along for aaaages!

Beasty

If they are going more than 3 abreast to get past report them to the local Garda station:pac:

Jawgap

gadetra wrote: »

Yup this x 100. Their ego's can't take it. Although I wonder why they're putting themselves through it given that you pass them out 50m later! It happens to me almost every day. The funniest are those guys who shoal out by you, keep looking behind when they take off and burst themselves trying to stay out front. I always pass them out aggressively casual - one hand on the bars, yawning, fixing my top, or freewheeling by.
It's incredibly irritating though. I hate the canal especially for it in rush hour as you said you get stuck behind them crawling along for aaaages!

My own preference is to get behind them and then start to slowly overtake them, encouraging them to speed up, then do it again, and again until they bring a lung up or just give up, then freewheel by while simultaneously doing my nails.

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Jawgap wrote: »

My own preference is to get behind them and then start to slowly overtake them, encouraging them to speed up, then do it again, and again until they bring a lung up or just give up, then freewheel by while simultaneously doing my nails.

Yup. My commuter is extremely rattley, so they look around behind in a kind of startled fashion when the noise doesn't go away, instead it stays right behind them. They're almost universally wriggly too, how people fail to hold a straight or steady line amazes me! I just look right at them impassively when they do their panicked looking behind.

I have yet to manage an overtaking manicure though. I clearly need to up my game :pac:

jon1981

I have Fulcrum 7 wheels (noisiest wheels in the universe) ... so you get pissed pretty quickly when i start free wheeling behind ya lol

magicbastarder

Jawgap wrote: »

My own preference is to get behind them and then start to slowly overtake them, encouraging them to speed up, then do it again, and again until they bring a lung up or just give up, then freewheel by while simultaneously doing my nails.

just wheelie alongside them, nonchalantly repairing the puncture in your front tyre and they'll soon stop messing with you.

eclipsechaser

The RSA should develop a hi-viz jacket that has a digital display of your average kph on the back. That way we could know in what order to line up at lights.

rubadub

I pass people if it is dangerous to stop behind them and if they have left plenty of space in front, which is often the case.

e.g. at this spot
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.265925,-6.158252,3a,75y,286.81h,68.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5zpkWPhLDmTyyjN3zJw-Xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

you might get some lad passing out numerous people, then gets to the stop and instead of going up to the front they stop and balance on the white sign thing, rather than unclip from the pedals. They know fine well lots are coming up behind them and trucks etc going around that corner at decent speed. I wonder if these get pissed off with being over taken.

Zillah

I don't think it's rude all the time

It's not a super market, it's not a queue, if I can fit past someone and I'm faster than them then why on Earth should I have to line up behind them? Especially if it's a line of ten people and I'm going to be overtaking all of them as soon as we take off anyway - unless there isn't room, in which case I'll be stuck trying to overtake them one by one in traffic. Much easier to get out front at the lights and then stay out front once we set off.

If someone overtakes me on the road and I catch up with them at the lights I'll stay behind them, because obviously I'm not going to be overtaking them, but that isn't true for 95% of people. I also tend to stay behind anyone that looks like they're taking a break from the Tour de France for the same reasons. But a line of people on Dublin Bikes still wearing their office gear? I'm waltzing right past that line at the lights.

roverrules

Zillah wrote: »

I don't think it's rude all the time

It's not a super market, it's not a queue, if I can fit past someone and I'm faster than them then why on Earth should I have to line up behind them? Especially if it's a line of ten people and I'm going to be overtaking all of them as soon as we take off anyway - unless there isn't room, in which case I'll be stuck trying to overtake them one by one in traffic. Much easier to get out front at the lights and then stay out front once we set off.

If someone overtakes me on the road and I catch up with them at the lights I'll stay behind them, because obviously I'm not going to be overtaking them, but that isn't true for 95% of people. I also tend to stay behind anyone that looks like they're taking a break from the Tour de France for the same reasons. But a line of people on Dublin Bikes still wearing their office gear? I'm waltzing right past that line at the lights.

Yeah, I do just the same when I meet up with a line of Mondeos etc. when I'm out for a spin in the Ferrari

Zillah

Because bikes are the same things as cars?

stryker mcqueen

This a pet hate of mine , especially on the canal where room to maneuver is scarce , if someone overtakes me I wouldn't do it to them as its embarrassing to be overtaken again haha!!

Plasid

stryker mcqueen wrote: »

This a pet hate of mine , especially on the canal where room to maneuver is scarce , if someone overtakes me I wouldn't do it to them as its embarrassing to be overtaken again haha!!

As said, if you overtake me the road is your's but that's rare enough on the commute... I like to keep in line with any repeat shoaler with them preferably outside the bike lane in traffic and see if they will overtake again next time ;-)

RobAMerc

Zillah wrote: »

and I'm faster than them

how on gods earth do you know you are faster than someone who is stopped ?
Do you judge by head size ?

Are you suggesting then that in my Porsche I can just expect folks to get the hell out of my way on the M50 because, well I am faster than them ( plebs )?

Lusk_Doyle

RobAMerc wrote: »

how on gods earth do you know you are faster than someone who is stopped ?
Do you judge by head size ?

Are you suggesting then that in my Porsche I can just expect folks to get the hell out of my way on the M50 because, well I am faster than them ( plebs )?

Which model Porsche?

RobAMerc

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Which model Porsche?

what ?
911 of course, there are other types now ?

Zillah

RobAMerc wrote: »

how on gods earth do you know you are faster than someone who is stopped ?
Do you judge by head size ?

I know from experience that I'll be overtaking 95% of commuters, and you can usually spot the other 5%. There might be the rare one that surprises you, in which case they're welcome to overtake me, and I'm not going to get territorial and stroppy about it.

Are you suggesting then that in my Porsche I can just expect folks to get the hell out of my way on the M50 because, well I am faster than them ( plebs )?

I am not suggesting that, no, and I fail to see what on Earth the relevance of the comparison is.

roverrules

RobAMerc wrote: »

how on gods earth do you know you are faster than someone who is stopped ?
Do you judge by head size ?

Are you suggesting then that in my Porsche I can just expect folks to get the hell out of my way on the M50 because, well I am faster than them ( plebs )?

Get that Porsche out of the way of my Ferrari

roverrules

Zillah wrote: »

Because bikes are the same things as cars?

No, because a few of you are sounding like 3 presenters of a defunct motoring show at a measuring competition

Dades

Cyclists are no different to motorists or pedestrians. Some of them are just oblivious. They fail to recognise very established etiquettes because as far as they are concerned they are the only person on the road.

These people just exist and always will. Human behaviour is consistent across all modes of transport.

Zillah

Can someone explain to me exactly why they are upset if a cyclist goes past them at lights? If they're faster than you then it literally has no effect on you, and if they're slower than you, then worst case scenario you have one person to overtake when you set off.

I honestly don't understand why anyone would have strong feelings on this non-issue.

magicbastarder

i too am slightly irritated at this behaviour, but i don't like that it annoys me. in a way, it's kinda like (in a car) someone overtaking you and then dropping to a speed lower than yours.

Zillah

Weepsie wrote: »

Because it's incredibly rude. unless you are some sort of soothsayer that can predict the future, how on earth do you know you're faster. If your are in fact faster than them, wait til the lights green, check for traffic, signal and overtake.

I know from experience that I'm going to be faster than 95% of commuters, and I can almost always spot the ones that will be faster than me, and I don't overtake those. So again, you're not going to get stuck behind me, how is it rude?

You wouldn't do it any other sort of queue, if you did you'd be rightly called out for it

But it's not a queue. It's nothing like a queue. I can't overtake you at the supermarket without making you wait, I can on the road.

Frankly all of this sounds about as reasonable as drivers getting angry at cyclists because they don't like seeing them get ahead while they have to wait.

RobAMerc

I am really complaining about folk whom I have just passed doing it, not you Zillah ( because in fairness you know you are faster than me by the way my q is beside the w on my keyboard probably :rolleyes: )

Cycling Dubliner

Rob, I feel your frustration. It happens to most people it seems. Even when there is a nice big ASL some hooligan(s) will insist on creeping exactly an ward distance ahead. What I found helps is if you have overtaken someone and a light turns on you move to the centre of the lane (assuming its clear). Let them creep along, gain time that really isn't there. Then once the light goes green, SMOKE EM! you'll have control of the lane in terms of car traffic, fly on past and get on with it

Happy cycling!

Zillah

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am really complaining about folk whom I have just passed doing it, not you Zillah ( because in fairness you know you are faster than me by the way my q is beside the w on my keyboard probably :rolleyes: )

I don't really understand why you're so upset about this topic.

desertcircus

Zillah wrote: »

Can someone explain to me exactly why they are upset if a cyclist goes past them at lights? If they're faster than you then it literally has no effect on you, and if they're slower than you, then worst case scenario you have one person to overtake when you set off.

I honestly don't understand why anyone would have strong feelings on this non-issue.

In the worst case scenario, you have half a dozen people to overtake when you set off. Then again at the next junction when they all pull in front of you again. Along the canal, it's a pain in the ass.

RainyDay

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Is this you OP?

Rude Cyclist Gets Instant Karma: https://youtu.be/7DyBW-41xGM

Some fecker stole the original vid and mirror-imaged it to avoid YouTube recognition features. That's why it appears to be an English bloke driving on the right side of the road.

Jawgap wrote: »

My own preference is to get behind them and then start to slowly overtake them, encouraging them to speed up, then do it again, and again until they bring a lung up or just give up, then freewheel by while simultaneously doing my nails.

Class.

Most shoalers do it without thinking. I've had a little chat if they try it 3rd time, along the lines of 'Please don't make me overtake you again' - and they seem genuinely surprised to see that their actions have an impact on other people.

Zillah

RainyDay wrote: »

Most shoalers do it without thinking. I've had a little chat if they try it 3rd time, along the lines of 'Please don't make me overtake you again' - and they seem genuinely surprised to see that their actions have an impact on other people.

Wait wait, we're talking about people that will get overtaken and keep pulling up in front of the people overtaking them at each set of lights? That's hilarious, I'd never do that.

Darkglasses

Zillah wrote: »

Wait wait, we're talking about people that will get overtaken and keep pulling up in front of the people overtaking them at each set of lights? That's hilarious, I'd never do that.

Happened to me occasionally in Dublin, quite annoying on roads that are busy and with a lot of lights.

Hardly ever see another commuter cyclist down here though

km991148

RainyDay wrote: »

Most shoalers do it without thinking. ... - and they seem genuinely surprised to see that their actions have an impact on other people.

ye.. I suspect its general ignorance of the world around them that leads to this (with only a minority that do it to prove a point - i.e. petty men overtaken by woman etc).

magicbastarder

Zillah wrote: »

Wait wait, we're talking about people that will get overtaken and keep pulling up in front of the people overtaking them at each set of lights? That's hilarious, I'd never do that.

you thought people were only talking about a single instance?
as i mentioned, i find it mildy annoying, but i am annoyed with myself that i find it annoying.
but i'm not annoyed with myself that i'm annoyed with myself that i find it annoying.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

RobAMerc wrote: »

how on gods earth do you know you are faster than someone who is stopped ?
Do you judge by head size ?

Are you suggesting then that in my Porsche I can just expect folks to get the hell out of my way on the M50 because, well I am faster than them ( plebs )?

Because he just passed them... That's the whole point. You pass some twat on the road, stop at a light and said twat puts himself/herself ahead of you for no apparant reason.

Personally, I overcome this by making myself as big as possible at the top of the queue, tilt your bike so it makes it more difficult to pass. If they are faster than you and want to go ahead, they will be able to do so very shortly after the green light.

I got this a lot when I commuted on my mointain bike, I would end up passing the road bikes shortly after. :P

Zillah

magicbastarder wrote: »

you thought people were only talking about a single instance?
as i mentioned, i find it mildy annoying, but i am annoyed with myself that i find it annoying.
but i'm not annoyed with myself that i'm annoyed with myself that i find it annoying.

Well the OP said that it's especially annoying when it happens after overtaking someone. He seems to find it annoying even if it's not someone he's overtaken. I never imagined anyone could be so up their own hole that they'll repeatedly pull in front of someone at the lights when that person has to keep overtaking them every time.

beauf

Zillah wrote: »

Well the OP said that it's especially annoying when it happens after overtaking someone. He seems to find it annoying even if it's not someone he's overtaken. I never imagined anyone could be so up their own hole that they'll repeatedly pull in front of someone at the lights when that person has to keep overtaking them every time.

Happens a lot on the canal. Its just ignorant behaviour. You can generally just pass them again.

Its the same with cars. Skip up the outside of a queue using a turning lane then dive in a gap to go straight ahead.

check_six

Zillah wrote: »

I never imagined anyone could be so up their own hole that they'll repeatedly pull in front of someone at the lights when that person has to keep overtaking them every time.

If this doesn't happen to you constantly while cycling you haven't lived!

One trend that is creeping in is people trying to squeeze up the left hand side of you between you and the path. If the punter makes it all the way past it's okay, but sometimes they just sort of wedge their front wheel up beside you, which is not the safest (and a bit weird!). I had a fellow try this one dark winter evening. I turned to give him a friendly "What the hell are you doing? Putting your front wheel there is not a good idea"-type glare, and he starts asking why I don't have any lights on my bike. I switch to a baffled look while pointing at the rather conspicuous big red flashing thing beaming out of the back of my bike. "Oh right there it is!" says he, and I conclude that he is definitely a nutter to some degree.

Some of the other cyclists ahead of us reconfigure a bit and I decide to roll forward to put a bit of space between me and him. He decides to follow and the inevitable happens when he wobbles and flicks his front wheel off the rear wheel on my bike. The guy hangs sideways in the air for a moment, almost floating, and then hits the ground like a sack of spuds.

I did go back and pick the guy off the ground before the cars had a chance to roll over him (I'm not a total monster!), but I couldn't help thinking what a gobsh!te this fellow had been. I don't imagine he learned anything from the experience either.

Hrududu

This happens in every single journey along the canal.

The worst one I had one day was a lady on a scooter in the bike lane. I passed her out just after Leeson Street bridge heading toward the river. She scooted to the top of the queue at every set of lights, past several bikes that then had to pass her again.

km991148

Hrududu wrote: »

This happens in every single journey along the canal.

The worst one I had one day was a lady on a scooter in the bike lane. I passed her out just after Leeson Street bridge heading toward the river. She scooted to the top of the queue at every set of lights, past several bikes that then had to pass her again.

ugh.. fecking scooters** and their manky 2 stroke exhaust.. GTFO!


**obv I mean the subset of scooter riders who do this.. wouldn't want to homogenise a whole section of society based on their chosen vehicle now..

Zillah

check_six wrote: »

If this doesn't happen to you constantly while cycling you haven't lived!

Really lads, your first mistake was stopping at red lights.