domestic rider banned for steroid abuse

sullzz · 27-07-2015 6:27pm #1

Not sure what to make out of it to be honest.
Why bother ?
Why risk the embarrassment ?
What had he to gain ?
http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/irish-rider-banned-for-four-years-after-positive-test-for-steroids/

niceonetom · 27-07-2015 6:30pm

Ego, stupidity, very minor glory.

sullzz · 27-07-2015 6:32pm

I'd say his butcher was fit to kill him

C3PO · 27-07-2015 6:33pm

In an A2/A3 race ..... what a gobsh*te!

zurbfoundation · 27-07-2015 6:33pm

Dogs on the street knew about this at the time. Wonder why it was never announced back when it happened. Why the delay.

Stupid move anyway from the guy.

sullzz wrote: »

Not sure what to make out of it to be honest.
Why bother ?
Why risk the embarrassment ?
What had he to gain ?
http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/irish-rider-banned-for-four-years-after-positive-test-for-steroids/

degsie · 27-07-2015 6:34pm

cyclists...drugs! Moving on....

Zipp101 · 27-07-2015 6:37pm

There needs to be some/more testing in elite Irish racing, especially pre-Ras.

Brian? · 27-07-2015 6:39pm

sullzz wrote: »

I'd say his butcher was fit to kill him

I must ask him, I'm fairly sure we share the same butcher.

sullzz · 27-07-2015 6:42pm

Brian? wrote: »

I must ask him, I'm fairly sure we share the same butcher.

Me too , the meat hasn't made me any better of a cyclist .

Brian? · 27-07-2015 6:43pm

sullzz wrote: »

Me too , the meat hasn't made me any better of a cyclist .

I'm wondering how bad I'd be if I switched butchers. Doesn't bear thinking about.

velo.2010 · 27-07-2015 6:57pm

So the delay was an FSA investigation into the Irish beef industry..... jaysus. I presume the butcher involved has grounds to sue? Kelly must have spent some money on the whole sorry saga and might well spend more on the appeal.

Funny (or sad thing) is, plenty will still spend their cash in his shop, including many who knew what happened!

mamax · 27-07-2015 6:58pm

So.......eating imported meat will make me go faster. :P

zurbfoundation · 27-07-2015 7:03pm

velo.2010 wrote: »

So the delay was an FSA investigation into the Irish beef industry..... jaysus. I presume the butcher involved has grounds to sue? Kelly must have spent some money on the whole sorry saga and might well spend more on the appeal.

Funny (or sad thing) is, plenty will still spend their cash in his shop, including many who knew what happened!

Over a year from provisional suspension to announcement - not sure that it couldn't have been announced last June. Seems odd to me.

Eamonnator · 27-07-2015 7:03pm

So, does this mean that Robin Seymour won the Time Trial at the Gorey 3 day in 2014?

Eamonnator · 27-07-2015 7:06pm

Here is the full decision, it makes ugly reading.

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Resources1/Sanctions/ISADDP-Decision-Ciaran-Kelly-2014.pdf

Eamonnator · 27-07-2015 7:13pm

zurbfoundation wrote: »

Over a year from provisional suspension to announcement - not sure that it couldn't have been announced last June. Seems odd to me.

I imagine,it was because of the extensive investigation, that had to be carried out.

wirelessdude01 · 27-07-2015 7:16pm

Had heard about the positive test back about June of last year but had heard a different name from multiple different sources. Looking back I should have copped who it was as had wondered why Kelly had suddenly stopped racing even the Mondello series.

Tenzor07 · 27-07-2015 7:16pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

So, does this mean that Robin Seymour won the Time Trial at the Gorey 3 day in 2014?

Yes, I believe so, must double check the results..

manwithaplan · 27-07-2015 7:20pm

I was away in a break with him in a race a couple of weeks before that. He nearly killed me! I finished fourth so was denied a spot on the podium.

I think we can all agree that I am the biggest loser in this sorry mess

stecleary · 27-07-2015 7:21pm

What the f**k was going through his head! Pro riders doping to keep a career alive I get(but don't condone) but a mickey mouse sunday race that will win you €100 is pure lunacy!

Eamonnator · 27-07-2015 7:23pm

manwithaplan wrote: »

I was away in a break with him in a race a couple of weeks before that. He nearly killed me! I finished fourth so was denied a spot on the podium.

I think we can all agree that I am the biggest loser in this sorry mess

Jointly with Robin Seymour.

godtabh · 27-07-2015 7:36pm

how mould it have cost to dope? idiot

midonogh · 27-07-2015 7:46pm

Having spent the last 3 weeks defending pro-cycling from the "sure they're all at.." GAA and rugby brigade in work , I'm facing into a a week of having to deal with this.

godtabh · 27-07-2015 7:52pm

midonogh wrote: »

Having spent the last 3 weeks defending pro-cycling from the "sure they're all at.." GAA and rugby brigade in work , I'm facing into a a week of having to deal with this.

i doubt this will go main stream. Will it?

Raam · 27-07-2015 7:55pm

godtabh wrote: »

i doubt this will go main stream. Will it?

It was on NewsTalk sports program earlier.

listermint · 27-07-2015 7:57pm

godtabh wrote: »

i doubt this will go main stream. Will it?

Tis all over the papers. Steroids abuse in what people would consider a fun cycle event. Gots tabloid all over it

ThisRegard · 27-07-2015 7:58pm

The idiot was obviously not familiar with the Irish Food Industry. When he made his claims even if the cycling authorities didn't investigate further the FSAI certainly would and they would have uncovered the truth anyway.

Eamonnator · 27-07-2015 7:58pm

godtabh wrote: »

i doubt this will go main stream. Will it?

Is the Irish Independent mainstream?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/irish-cyclist-hit-with-fouryear-ban-for-doping-31407771.html

Tenzor07 · 27-07-2015 8:01pm

Or the Journo?

http://www.the42.ie/ciaran-kelly-doping-ban-2238913-Jul2015/

ThisRegard · 27-07-2015 8:02pm

The Journal is where I saw it first, main section too, not The 42 Sports section.

godtabh · 27-07-2015 8:10pm

He's a bigger idiot than I thought. He has damaged the reputation of irish cycling with his actions.

I still dont get his motives. If he was racing for €100. Why risk so much for so little

27-07-2015 8:11pm

midonogh wrote: »

Having spent the last 3 weeks defending pro-cycling from the "sure they're all at.." GAA and rugby brigade in work , I'm facing into a a week of having to deal with this.

Don't tell them!

detones · 27-07-2015 8:18pm

Seems strange there are drugs test done at this level anyway. Is this the norm in A2/3 races?

detones · 27-07-2015 8:18pm

Seems strange there are drugs test done at this level anyway. Is this the norm in A2/3 races?

Tenzor07 · 27-07-2015 8:20pm

detones wrote: »

Seems strange there are drugs test done at this level anyway. Is this the norm in A2/3 races?

CI regularly do spot checks after road races/stages from what I have seen..

Lusk_Doyle · 27-07-2015 8:20pm

godtabh wrote: »

He's a bigger idiot than I thought. He has damaged the reputation of irish cycling with his actions.

I still dont get his motives. If he was racing for €100. Why risk so much for so little

Maybe it's not about the money.

Lusk_Doyle · 27-07-2015 8:21pm

detones wrote: »

Seems strange there are drugs test done at this level anyway. Is this the norm in A2/3 races?

Only in UCI ranking ones no? Isn't the Gorey a UCI ranked race along with Ras Mumhan?

stecleary · 27-07-2015 8:25pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Maybe it's not about the money.

it cant be about the bragging rights, if it was stay in A3 and hammer everybody week in week out and be clean.

Halloween Jack · 27-07-2015 8:26pm

midonogh wrote: »

Having spent the last 3 weeks defending pro-cycling from the "sure they're all at.." GAA and rugby brigade in work , I'm facing into a a week of having to deal with this.

You'd do better explaining to them the meaning of irony.

i love the way sports fans can compartmentalise doping and fool themselves into thinking their favoured sport is clean while all the cheats hang out in cycling and athletics.

bazermc · 27-07-2015 8:27pm

Can he still do the Wicklow 200?

Lusk_Doyle · 27-07-2015 8:30pm

midonogh wrote: »

Having spent the last 3 weeks defending pro-cycling from the "sure they're all at.." GAA and rugby brigade in work , I'm facing into a a week of having to deal with this.

Why bother?

Plastik · 27-07-2015 8:36pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

CI regularly do spot checks after road races/stages from what I have seen..

I can't say I've ever seen or heard of them testing at any lower level (A4, A3, A2) events since I started racing a few years ago other than Gorey 2014.

They can obviously tell by my results that either I'm clean or I'm taking nothing they need to worry about.

sconhome · 27-07-2015 8:36pm

Irish Sports Council conduct random drug teating at triathlon events across all levels.

Any triathlon held in the county can be subject to testing.

Regardless of the stupidity of doping there will always be people too lazy to train harder who shortcut to 'glory'.

Sure look at the lads with 7k bikes that are lighter than everyone else. Majority of the lads on them could gain more by losing a stone.

seamus · 27-07-2015 8:36pm

godtabh wrote: »

He's a bigger idiot than I thought. He has damaged the reputation of irish cycling with his actions.

If CI jumped on this they could spin it positively - that they take doping so seriously that not only do they check at the elite levels, but also lower down the rankings to discourage it at all levels and not let it get ingrained into the culture of the sport.

If someone has been doping since they started racing, they're going to fight to keep that competitive edge when they get to the A0 level.

manwithaplan · 27-07-2015 8:38pm

There's hardly any testing at all in domestic racing as far as I have seen. In fairness there shouldn't be any need for it. The mind boggles as to why anyone would dope to win an amateur race. It can't be for the money and I can't see that there would be any sense of achievement.

detones · 27-07-2015 8:42pm

Isn't clenbuterol more of a weight loss drug anyway. Think I recall from my distant past when I was into weightlifting that lads used it for cutting. To get any benefit from this it would have to have been used systematically over a long period training. Seems a bit sophisticated for amature race. Dosnt' really add up.

wirelessdude01 · 27-07-2015 8:46pm

He was 'hefty' when he came back to the sport so that might explain why.

Pudsy33 · 27-07-2015 8:49pm

detones wrote: »

Isn't clenbuterol more of a weight loss drug anyway. Think I recall from my distant past when I was into weightlifting that lads used it for cutting. To get any benefit from this it would have to have been used systematically over a long period training. Seems a bit sophisticated for amature race. Dosnt' really add up.

Doesn't it mask other drugs?

Brian? · 27-07-2015 8:49pm

detones wrote: »

Isn't clenbuterol more of a weight loss drug anyway. Think I recall from my distant past when I was into weightlifting that lads used it for cutting. To get any benefit from this it would have to have been used systematically over a long period training. Seems a bit sophisticated for amature race. Dosnt' really add up.

Cleanbuterol allows you to drop far and add muscle at the same time, I think. The holy grail of weight loss.

It's be fierce handy in prepping for a race. If you're completely amoral, which may well apply to this lad.

Is there a chance suspicions were raised about him, which leg to the drug test?

godtabh · 27-07-2015 8:56pm

Its cheaper than I thought it is

http://supplementsdublin.com/shop/balkan-pharmaceuticals/clenbuterol-40ng/

but some one suggested that you would need to be on it for a long time. I wonder what kind of side effects it causes?

dragratchet · 27-07-2015 9:01pm

godtabh wrote: »

Its cheaper than I thought it is

http://supplementsdublin.com/shop/balkan-pharmaceuticals/clenbuterol-40ng/

but some one suggested that you would need to be on it for a long time. I wonder what kind of side effects it causes?

insomnia and jitters (i just looked it up):P

domestic rider banned for steroid abuse

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