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Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

They are delicious with a nice salad.

A salad ???? I'd want about 4 quail and a bowl full of them eggs with a bit of lettuce for decoration !!! And someone to shell the little hoors of eggs for me would be nice

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

A salad ???? I'd want about 4 quail and a bowl full of them eggs with a bit of lettuce for decoration !!! And someone to shell the little hoors of eggs for me would be nice

The shells are rich in calcium.

keep going

Dawggone wrote: »

Waiting in line to fill the jeep with diesel and their saying a max of €30.

Flashback to the 70s....

The queue must be over 1km long.
Tractor diesel rationed to 3k litres.

We badly need that fine lady from Grantham for a couple of years.

Wtf?

Dawggone

keep going wrote: »

Wtf?

Labour law.
Gov. are trying to push through legislation to increase the working week to 40hrs and that a worker can be fired.

War...
Unions and students are blocading the oil refineries. Lovely.

kowtow

Is anyone using Kamar detectors and if so - do you serve them when the front of the detector only is showing red?

We have a cow in heat this morning with a fully triggered detector and one or two others who look like they are coming in, but with only partial activation. I suspect they have been riding each other or possibly the one in standing heat..

Best to AI them all this morning when the AI man comes, or wait with the partial ones?

blackdog1

kowtow wrote:

Best to AI them all this morning when the AI man comes, or wait with the partial ones?

kowtow wrote:

We have a cow in heat this morning with a fully triggered detector and one or two others who look like they are coming in, but with only partial activation. I suspect they have been riding each other or possibly the one in standing heat..

kowtow wrote:

Is anyone using Kamar detectors and if so - do you serve them when the front of the detector only is showing red?

I'm using them only do them when fully red. Father brought in a heifer this morning with a small bit red and she wasn't in heat. Unfortunately straw was out already.....

kowtow

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm using them only do them when fully red. Father brought in a heifer this morning with a small bit red and she wasn't in heat. Unfortunately straw was out already.....

Yeh - we did the same in the end and did the one with the whole patch gone.

Hopefully the partial girls will be showing more signs by milking tonight and we can do them in the morning.

Buford T. Justice XIX

kowtow wrote: »

Is anyone using Kamar detectors and if so - do you serve them when the front of the detector only is showing red?

We have a cow in heat this morning with a fully triggered detector and one or two others who look like they are coming in, but with only partial activation. I suspect they have been riding each other or possibly the one in standing heat..

Best to AI them all this morning when the AI man comes, or wait with the partial ones?

My view is that it's cheaper to use a straw on an animal that may not be on heat than not to use it and lose 3 weeks milk.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I checked the drys this morning on the way to collect the milkers and a dry cow dead in the field, lid down the wrong way and turned over and couldn't get back.:mad:

Then I decided to move them after milking and couldn't find a current. So I turned it off to the milkers and brought them into the yard. 3 springing so said I'd keep them and 2 thin cows for a bit of feeding. Had the rest left out only for one thin cow to take a run at the gate and catch her shoulder on the gate a few times until she falls forward and turns the gate post so the other gate comes loose and all the rest break for the road:mad:

So she's stuck in the yard and can't get up so I go and get the hip hoist and lift her and carry her out to the field. She walks away towards the other cattle in the field and decides to start a fight with one and gets knocked again and can't stand now.

Some cows are just too stupid to live:(

Well, I was lifting the witch twice a day for the last few days and last night she was standing on her own and again this morning standing before the rest so she should be ok at this stage:)

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

My view is that it's cheaper to use a straw on an animal that may not be on heat than not to use it and lose 3 weeks milk.

That was my initial thought - but this is our first week trying AI and I wanted to try and figure out what was going on... this lot are going to be late calving anyway next year so we'll just have to fill in the gaps with springers from herds that did the AI on time!

What would happen if you gave them a straw today, and a straw tomorrow if the heat got better between now and then?

Markcheese

Dawggone wrote:

We badly need that fine lady from Grantham for a couple of years.

I thought she died.... mind you theres a share over here that would happily dig her up...

alps

kowtow wrote: »

What would happen if you gave them a straw today, and a straw tomorrow if the heat got better between now and then?

Today's straw will have a 6:3 chance of being a heifer with a 62%chance of holding....tomorrow's straw will have a 7:2 chance of being a bull with a 68%chance of holding....

Dairy straw today.....beef straw tomorrow.....

pedigree 6

alps wrote: »

Today's straw will have a 6:3 chance of being a heifer with a 62%chance of holding....tomorrow's straw will have a 7:2 chance of being a bull with a 68%chance of holding....

Dairy straw today.....beef straw tomorrow.....

What's the thing about the bull and heifer calves?
I thought that was 100% to do with the bull semen and nothing with when the cow is served.

Dawggone

Markcheese wrote: »

I thought she died.... mind you theres a share over here that would happily dig her up...

I'd love to see someone in power here to break the unions.

kowtow

Markcheese wrote: »

I thought she died.... mind you theres a share over here that would happily dig her up...

We could get Buford to put the lifter on her until she shakes a leg... ?

Buford T. Justice XIX

kowtow wrote: »

That was my initial thought - but this is our first week trying AI and I wanted to try and figure out what was going on... this lot are going to be late calving anyway next year so we'll just have to fill in the gaps with springers from herds that did the AI on time!

What would happen if you gave them a straw today, and a straw tomorrow if the heat got better between now and then?

Getting her pregnant is the most important thing.

Sperm have a longer viability time than eggs so I reckon it's better to have them in the uterus than in the flask as they can actually do something inside the cow.

So in my mind, get the straw inside her.

keep going

Dawggone wrote: »

Labour law.
Gov. are trying to push through legislation to increase the working week to 40hrs and that a worker can be fired.

War...
Unions and students are blocading the oil refineries. Lovely.

And there guys on here lamenting that dosent happen in ireland

whelan2

Dawggone wrote: »

I'd love to see someone in power here to break the unions.

Is this a one day strike or will it be ongoing? Heading to France in a few weeks

Dawggone

whelan2 wrote: »

Is this a one day strike or will it be ongoing? Heading to France in a few weeks

This is ongoing Whelan.
I sat in a queue today for an hour and a half for thirty quid of diesel, then went back this evening and the queue was about 2km long, so went home and filled with cherryaid.
It's getting worse with the last month. Cop cars being burned, oil refineries being blockaded etc etc.

The lack of fuel can be a little alarming if on a motoring holiday...

If you're in the neighborhood call in to see the ranch. Pm for phone no.

whelan2

Dawggone wrote: »

This is ongoing Whelan.
I sat in a queue today for an hour and a half for thirty quid of diesel, then went back this evening and the queue was about 2km long, so went home and filled with cherryaid.
It's getting worse with the last month. Cop cars being burned, oil refineries being blockaded etc etc.

The lack of fuel can be a little alarming if on a motoring holiday...

If you're in the neighborhood call in to see the ranch. Pm for phone no.

Not bringing the car, cool thanks

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Getting her pregnant is the most important thing.

Sperm have a longer viability time than eggs so I reckon it's better to have them in the uterus than in the flask as they can actually do something inside the cow.

So in my mind, get the straw inside her.

First one with a partial kamar is full red tonight, so we'll do her in the morning anyway. Might do the other one who had the partial this morning with the method above for good measure, dairy & beef.

Had intended to use sexed semen but didn't order any and all the ones I would want a heifer from are coming in first - still, will be better prepared next season and maybe luck will throw us some heifers from these ones anyway.

Timmaay

kowtow wrote: »

First one with a partial kamar is full red tonight, so we'll do her in the morning anyway. Might do the other one who had the partial this morning with the method above for good measure, dairy & beef.

Had intended to use sexed semen but didn't order any and all the ones I would want a heifer from are coming in first - still, will be better prepared next season and maybe luck will throw us some heifers from these ones anyway.

If your having difficulty deciding if a heifer is bulling or not then using a sexed straw on her is an utter waste of money. I'd only use sexed on heifers that you are 100% sure are bulling, and even then you will have the odd very active one who can come bulling 4days later ugh! I never had great success with sexed on heifers, I found good fertile young cows who had a history of holding to the 1st serve a much better bet.

I didn't bother using any sexed this year as I'm not under pressure for heifers moving forward, however in future years using the likes of 20 sexed straws, with the aim to get say 12heifer calves outa 20 of the best early calving cows who normally hold to 1st serve, and then use stock beef bulls on everything else I think would be a reason bet for here, AI bill would only be 1000e, and you end up with 12 more beef calves worth say 200 against 80e for fr bulls. Risky tho, I could end up with no replacement heifers ha.

atlantic mist

lovely new stock damaged his spine, not even with bulling heifers two days vet thinks he landed awkard bloody idiot

good thing milk price is so low had my pick of stock bulls, no market at all this year all the rest are going to larry

kowtow

Timmaay wrote:

If your having difficulty deciding if a heifer is bulling or not then using a sexed straw on her is an utter waste of money. I'd only use sexed on heifers that you are 100% sure are bulling, and even then you will have the odd very active one who can come bulling 4days later ugh! I never had great success with sexed on heifers, I found good fertile young cows who had a history of holding to the 1st serve a much better bet.

Makes total sense. As it goes these are all cows except for two or three - as much as tail paint makes more sense I already had a pack of kamars and decided that anything which might take the guesswork out of it could only help..

Small numbers so figuring out how it works for the future more important than the cost per unit for the time being...

I suspect well look at electronic monitoring if we can find a small system with an open interface... I'm a proper sucker for a gadget!

blackdog1

kowtow wrote:

I suspect well look at electronic monitoring if we can find a small system with an open interface... I'm a proper sucker for a gadget!

Find heatime great but after your 5 yr warranty is up I'd budget for 20% replacement rate just to be safe. All systems pretty much the same no matter what salesman tells you. Just pick the one you like with best warranty but if your having no trouble spotting them I wouldn't bother with them.

Never wrestle with pigs

kowtow wrote: »

Makes total sense. As it goes these are all cows except for two or three - as much as tail paint makes more sense I already had a pack of kamars and decided that anything which might take the guesswork out of it could only help.. !

Small number of cows here to, beef cows, I look for the clear slime and do them on the am or PM after if I'm unsure. You might not see it on the vulva but on the tail.
Look for the one that might have a shine on her back from sweating to. It takes time to pick the little things for heat detection but you'll get the swing of it.

ted_182

atlantic mist wrote:

lovely new stock damaged his spine, not even with bulling heifers two days vet thinks he landed awkard bloody idiot

good thing milk price is so low had my pick of stock bulls, no market at all this year all the rest are going to larry

What breed? Guy who I learned my trade with said his bulls sold like hot cakes early in spring, most years it's a slow burner

alps

pedigree 6 wrote: »

What's the thing about the bull and heifer calves?
I thought that was 100% to do with the bull semen and nothing with when the cow is served.

For simplicity (I just don't know the terminalogy) well call them male sperm and female sperm. Once deposited beyond the cervix the male sperm take off like hell, anxious as all men are, to get to the egg in question and get the deed done. Wham bam...you know yourself. The trouble with this approach is that the over anxious wham bam approach has the male sperm phuqed out in no time. They have travelled faster and further than the female sperm but like all men have no staying power and die out.

The female sperm take a more measured and calculated approach. They like to take their time, move much slower than their male counterparts but last the pace much better. When the male sperm has died out, the female sperm just continues on looking for more....

Therefore...We bull the cow jn standing heat...she will ovulate 12 to 18 hours later, so we hope that by bulling early the male sperm will have travelled and died out before the cow ovulates, leaving only female sperm to fertilise the egg.
The flip side to it is that if you want a bull, wait for the cow to ovulate, then insiminate and the faster male sperm will get the job done...

Now...that'll broaden your mind for ya...

kowtow

alps wrote:

The female sperm take a more measured and calculated approach. They like to take their time, move much slower than their male counterparts.....

Tell us the truth. They keep stopping for a gossip, don't they?

whelan2

kowtow wrote: »

Tell us the truth. They keep stopping for a gossip, don't they?

Ah now in fairness men are alot worse than women for gossiping. Women are always in a rush off to do something