What to replace the old haybob with?

farmerjj

What is the best machine for both tedding and raying silage and hay,not really interested in getting two machines just want a bigger/faster version of the old haybobs.

Bullocks

farmerjj wrote: »

What is the best machine for both tedding and raying silage and hay,not really interested in getting two machines just want a bigger/faster version of the old haybobs.

Would it suit to get a good tedder and let the contractor row it up for himself ?

Limestone Cowboy

farmerjj wrote: »

What is the best machine for both tedding and raying silage and hay,not really interested in getting two machines just want a bigger/faster version of the old haybobs.

If your contractor has a rake I'd get a tedder. No other machine that will shake out and row up than a haybob really and it's not great at either of those jobs.

Sacrolyte

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

If your contractor has a rake I'd get a tedder. No other machine that will shake out and row up than a haybob really and it's not great at either of those jobs.

I find the haybob fine but it's width is a bit limiting. An extra 2 feet would make it very popular.

signinlate

Get a tedder and keep the haybob for rowing up. I got one a few years ago don't know how I managed before.
Buy as wide a machine as you can afford so that you don't have drive as fast.

emaherx

Haybob 300, it's a haybob but bigger. :-)

f140

what width does a haybob row up roughly?

Reggie.

f140 wrote: »

what width does a haybob row up roughly?

8ft roughly

selectamatic

very few wide machines that will both ted & rake/row. There is a pz 4 rotor machine that is basically two haybobs side by side, it teds out like a normal 4 rotor tedder but it rows up too, however it makes two rows while rowing, both 10ft. I think they are called a Pz 480 or something along them lines. There was one on donedeal a while ago but it sold quick! they're a very rare machine in Ireland.

http://www.donedeal.ie/haybobs-for-sale/pz-jumbo-420-hay-bob/9745186
these are also an interesting machine I've never seen one working but the concept of a big haybob could work well.

http://www.donedeal.ie/haybobs-for-sale/pz-360-haybob/9943531?offset=27 a pz 360 is another interesting machine I've seen a man make 30ft rows with one and they were pretty good.

The best bit of outside of the box thinking I've seen by a man in a similar position as yourself was he sold the haybob and bought a lely 4 rotor tedder cheap for tedding out. He then rows up with a proper old school farendlose hay rake (the side delivery type hay rake) that he's had lying round the farm since the 70's you can make the rows as big as you like depending how many times you go around the field the rows he was making were around the 20ft mark I think. His plan is to get a 4.6m single rotor rake in the near future and start making 30ft rows. Some might see it as alot of hassle but the fella doing it takes his time and uses a mf35 so diesel usage isn't that much at all. He can have all ready for the contractor himself whenever he desires so he's not caught out by bad weather waiting for contractors, and when he has all ready the contractors can't get to him quick enough to bale as all the tedious work is done and in their eyes its easy money.

tanko

emaherx wrote: »

Haybob 300, it's a haybob but bigger. :-)

What width does this machine row up?

Reggie.

tanko wrote: »

What width does this machine row up?

Around 9 to 10ft. The 300 stands for 3m. The 270 is 2.7m and the 460 is 4.6m

tanko

Reggie. wrote: »

Around 9 to 10ft. The 300 stands for 3m. The 270 is 2.7m and the 460 is 4.6m

Thanks, any idea how much a new or a decent second hand one would cost?

Reggie.

tanko wrote: »

Thanks, any idea how much a new or a decent second hand one would cost?

PM sent.

Reggie.

tanko wrote: »

Thanks, any idea how much a new or a decent second hand one would cost?

New ones are in the region of 2500 to 2700

agriman27

Some of the lely stabilo 600 are able to row up as well as ted, but they only make two small rows similar to a haybob row http://www.donedeal.ie/view/9965192
Lely Lotus 600 Combi Tedder Rake

selectamatic

agriman27 wrote: »

Some of the lely stabilo 600 are able to row up as well as ted, but they only make two small rows similar to a haybob row http://www.donedeal.ie/view/9965192
Lely Lotus 600 Combi Tedder Rake

+1 It's the same concept as the pz 480 I knew some other brand made one but couldn't for the life of me remember who it was. Them lelys are supposed to be better at tedding than rowing but then again for a machine that does multiple jobs you're always going to have to compromise a small bit.

Reggie.

selectamatic wrote: »

+1 It's the same concept as the pz 480 I knew some other brand made one but couldn't for the life of me remember who it was. Them lelys are supposed to be better at tedding than rowing but then again for a machine that does multiple jobs you're always going to have to compromise a small bit.

Jack of all trades but a master of none

Bullocks

Reggie. wrote: »

Jack of all trades but a master of none

Bit like myself !

Reggie.

Bullocks wrote: »

Bit like myself !

I'd say your a jack of something

White Clover

selectamatic wrote: »

very few wide machines that will both ted & rake/row. There is a pz 4 rotor machine that is basically two haybobs side by side, it teds out like a normal 4 rotor tedder but it rows up too, however it makes two rows while rowing, both 10ft. I think they are called a Pz 480 or something along them lines. There was one on donedeal a while ago but it sold quick! they're a very rare machine in Ireland.

http://www.donedeal.ie/haybobs-for-sale/pz-jumbo-420-hay-bob/9745186
these are also an interesting machine I've never seen one working but the concept of a big haybob could work well.

http://www.donedeal.ie/haybobs-for-sale/pz-360-haybob/9943531?offset=27 a pz 360 is another interesting machine I've seen a man make 30ft rows with one and they were pretty good.

The best bit of outside of the box thinking I've seen by a man in a similar position as yourself was he sold the haybob and bought a lely 4 rotor tedder cheap for tedding out. He then rows up with a proper old school farendlose hay rake (the side delivery type hay rake) that he's had lying round the farm since the 70's you can make the rows as big as you like depending how many times you go around the field the rows he was making were around the 20ft mark I think. His plan is to get a 4.6m single rotor rake in the near future and start making 30ft rows. Some might see it as alot of hassle but the fella doing it takes his time and uses a mf35 so diesel usage isn't that much at all. He can have all ready for the contractor himself whenever he desires so he's not caught out by bad weather waiting for contractors, and when he has all ready the contractors can't get to him quick enough to bale as all the tedious work is done and in their eyes its easy money.

It could be slow enough going with that farendlose. Would he do 3 acres/hr ?

Bullocks

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd say your a jack of something

A jackass of a plasterer but i do lots of other stuff to keep it interesting

selectamatic

Ay now it certainly wouldn't be the fastest way of doing it but the fella I was on about is the steady mature west of Ireland farmer type of man so he wouldn't be doing anything in a panic But it gets him a cheap rate come baling time and when he does get the single rotor rake he'll be sorted. The main reason he's using the farendlose is so he could stagger the purchase of the implements so the tedder was the natural choice for the first purchase. Also the fact he can run it on a small tractor helps save on fuel. It's by no means a setup for the massive fields of kildare or meath and the likes but for the average sized field it's quite useful.

CloughCasey1

selectamatic wrote: »

Ay now it certainly wouldn't be the fastest way of doing it but the fella I was on about is the steady mature west of Ireland farmer type of man so he wouldn't be doing anything in a panic But it gets him a cheap rate come baling time and when he does get the single rotor rake he'll be sorted. The main reason he's using the farendlose is so he could stagger the purchase of the implements so the tedder was the natural choice for the first purchase. Also the fact he can run it on a small tractor helps save on fuel. It's by no means a setup for the massive fields of kildare or meath and the likes but for the average sized field it's quite useful.

Each to his own

9935452

selectamatic wrote: »

very few wide machines that will both ted & rake/row. There is a pz 4 rotor machine that is basically two haybobs side by side, it teds out like a normal 4 rotor tedder but it rows up too, however it makes two rows while rowing, both 10ft. I think they are called a Pz 480 or something along them lines. There was one on donedeal a while ago but it sold quick! they're a very rare machine in Ireland..

PZ DS 5000 i believe you are talking about
http://www.easterbrooktractors.co.uk/pz_ds_5000_haybob_-id40-.htm

They can make 1 or 2 rows. the two middle rotors turn around and turn the opposite way to change between 1 and 2 rows.
The concept is good but the implementation and build quality is a bit suss.
I looked at the one that was on donedeal twice. There is only basically a thick washer holding on the two middle rotors. Hit a bump hard and you could lose them on the road. The outside rotors/ mounts are fair weak. the one i saw was cracked. it would be fair easy to catch them in a hole in a field and break them off.
When rowing 2 rows it would row up 16 feet but doing one row it would only do 10 or 11 feet so not capable of rowing up 2 10 foot swarths.
An aweful lot of brackets/supports for the machine which would wear quickly

I wouldnt like to see one on a 100hp tractor doing a lot of work. They were designed for a 30hp tractor.
I went to see the one on done deal with the intention of buying it and walked away thankful i didnt

selectamatic

http://www.cornishtractors.co.uk/images/news/large/064.jpg-1335509243.jpg

this is a pic of the pz flevo 480. +1 on the pz Ds5000 though it is the more complex version of the 480 and it may have a greater working width. The 480 is the base model i.e two haybobs side by side concept and the outer rotors fold up vertical the pzds500 as you said has the switchable gearboxes and can make one row. also they fold up in a more complicated way I think the outer rotors swing in behind the middle two. Neither machines would be great working for full seasons contracting as they're primarily designed for hay and so aren't nearly as "heavy duty" as other machines but they will handle silage grand as long as the operator takes their time and knows the limits of the machine. nothing will out perform a twin rotor 30ft or greater rake but these little machines are quite suitable for handy farm operations where as posted an improvement over the simple haybob is needed. The 4.6 single rotor rake in my opinion is the perfect farmers machine and when prices drop a small bit more I'll be getting one for sure although the fact that the tines have to be removed after each field operation in a pain. Niemeyer do one where the whole rotor swings up vertical so tine removal isn't necessary but I think they're only 3.5m working width and I couldn't comment on build quality as have never seen one in person but still an interesting design idea.

http://www.tractorpool.co.uk/media/7767/2447767/7664689/Niemeyer-Zgrabiarka-7664689.jpg?quality=70&height=150&width=200&crop

Reggie.

selectamatic wrote: »

http://www.cornishtractors.co.uk/images/news/large/064.jpg-1335509243.jpg

this is a pic of the pz flevo 480. +1 on the pz Ds5000 though it is the more complex version of the 480 and it may have a greater working width. The 480 is the base model i.e two haybobs side by side concept and the outer rotors fold up vertical the pzds500 as you said has the switchable gearboxes and can make one row. also they fold up in a more complicated way I think the outer rotors swing in behind the middle two. Neither machines would be great working for full seasons contracting as they're primarily designed for hay and so aren't nearly as "heavy duty" as other machines but they will handle silage grand as long as the operator takes their time and knows the limits of the machine. nothing will out perform a twin rotor 30ft or greater rake but these little machines are quite suitable for handy farm operations where as posted an improvement over the simple haybob is needed. The 4.6 single rotor rake in my opinion is the perfect farmers machine and when prices drop a small bit more I'll be getting one for sure although the fact that the tines have to be removed after each field operation in a pain. Niemeyer do one where the whole rotor swings up vertical so tine removal isn't necessary but I think they're only 3.5m working width and I couldn't comment on build quality as have never seen one in person but still an interesting design idea.

http://www.tractorpool.co.uk/media/7767/2447767/7664689/Niemeyer-Zgrabiarka-7664689.jpg?quality=70&height=150&width=200&crop

It takes no more than 5 minutes to get my rake set up for field or road. No real bother at all

selectamatic

Good to know I was thinking it couldn't take long at all but a few of the local fellas round here were saying it's a pain having to set them up. That said these would be rather large fellas that hate to have to get down off a tractor for anything :P They reckon 30ft twin rotor is the only way to go but I feel for a small to medium size farm operation a 4.6m single rotor rake would be just fine as they're a simple robust machine, lots of makes and models to choose from and they're not too dear. In my opinion a big twin rotor rake is overkill for the average farmer.

cute geoge

I think a fransguard 390 might suit ,it is just a bigger version of haybob ,narrow gaps might be an issue with it
I think it can turn out /rake up 13 feet

Kevhog1988

What is your current model haybob? uncle has had a pz 300 (i think) with years and someone kindly relieved it from his posession without asking a few months ago. Would be interested in buying one

Reggie.

theemigrant wrote: »

What is your current model haybob? uncle has had a pz 300 (i think) with years and someone kindly relieved it from his posession without asking a few months ago. Would be interested in buying one

It was robbed?

Kevhog1988

Reggie. wrote: »

It was robbed?

Yep that snd a generator when he was on holidays. Its bad for robberys around us

Reggie.

theemigrant wrote: »

Yep that snd a generator when he was on holidays. Its bad for robberys around us

Was gonna say it ain't too small a thing to lift if your around

Kevhog1988

Reggie. wrote: »

Was gonna say it ain't too small a thing to lift if your around

Its gone bad in north kildare, uncle gets sister to stay in house when hes away