€150 fine for droping bag...

rolion

Hi,

Just got a registered letter today...€150 for "male driver dumps bag on top of bottle bank Littlepace Dublin 15" and my car been identified after plates.
As far as a recall, I dropped few bottles to the bank but not dumping a bag full of glass !

Of course, not being smart arse, but apart of DNA traces, I guess they had witness or some sort of a CCTV. I'm going to ask for video evidence.

Anyone in the same course of "recycling" €150 !??

Larbre34

They use a temporary CCTV system which goes to different bring bank locations and fly tipping spots. If you disagree, you should formally contest it, ask for the video evidence etc

They could be suggesting that you left behind the bag you brought the bottles in, rather than left a full bag of glass behind.

robbie000

Yeah they will have got your details from the reg on the video they took.

Same thing happened someone I know, have to pay up as there is no way out of it. Don't pay it and the fine will keep getting increased until it goes to court. Once they have video evidence theres not much you can do.

rolion

Larbre34 wrote: »

They could be suggesting that you left behind the bag you brought the bottles in, rather than left a full bag of glass behind.

Could have been as I remember (I could be wrong, is months since) that I have "hide" the bag, along with other bags left there, it wasn't only mine !

If that is the case, is a easy target to get €150 from every one of the people dropping bags there...

At least, if I'm been proven wrong, i will get them working for the fee to get the video evidence, lesson for next time (if ever I m going near that place again) or for other people here...

Another registered appeal / request letter, back to them, in the post...

CardBordWindow

My brother in law got one of those letters before. I think he got shown the video, but what he did was put in all of his bottles, and then put the plastic bag in afterwards instead of putting it in the car.
Unless it's glass or can, anything else is deemed as littering.

Mr.McLovin

instead of putting signs up or providing bins they put cctv up to fine people and make money

OldBean

rolion wrote: »

Could have been as I remember (I could be wrong, is months since) that I have "hide" the bag, along with other bags left there, it wasn't only mine !

If that is the case, is a easy target to get €150 from every one of the people dropping bags there...

At least, if I'm been proven wrong, i will get them working for the fee to get the video evidence, lesson for next time (if ever I m going near that place again) or for other people here...

Another registered appeal / request letter, back to them, in the post...

Well if you did leave a bag there, you did litter, so you do deserve the fine, regardless of whether other people have or have not left their bags there.

If you think you did leave the bag there, just pay the bloody fine, don't go down the route of 'making them work for the fee'.

The amount of crap; bags and boxes, that gets left at bottle banks is infuriating.

Atlantic Dawn

If you left the bag there you are getting off lightly with a €150 fine. What's the point in driving out to drop off bottles and leaving other rubbish discarded?

Who did you think was going to get rid of the bag for you?

miamee

rolion wrote: »

Hi,

Just got a registered letter today...€150 for "male driver dumps bag on top of bottle bank Littlepace Dublin 15" and my car been identified after plates.
As far as a recall, I dropped few bottles to the bank but not dumping a bag full of glass !

Of course, not being smart arse, but apart of DNA traces, I guess they had witness or some sort of a CCTV. I'm going to ask for video evidence.

Anyone in the same course of "recycling" €150 !??

rolion wrote: »

Could have been as I remember (I could be wrong, is months since) that I have "hide" the bag, along with other bags left there, it wasn't only mine !

If that is the case, is a easy target to get €150 from every one of the people dropping bags there...

At least, if I'm been proven wrong, i will get them working for the fee to get the video evidence, lesson for next time (if ever I m going near that place again) or for other people here...

Another registered appeal / request letter, back to them, in the post...

I'm assuming that the video evidence will show you "hiding" your empty bag instead of putting it back in the car or in a bin and you'll still be fined for littering.

rolion

OldBean wrote: »

Well if you did leave a bag there, you did litter, so you do deserve the fine, regardless of whether other people have or have not left their bags there.

If you think you did leave the bag there, just pay the bloody fine, don't go down the route of 'making them work for the fee'.

The amount of crap; bags and boxes, that gets left at bottle banks is infuriating.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you left the bag there you are getting off lightly with a €150 fine. What's the point in driving out to drop off bottles and leaving other rubbish discarded?

Who did you think was going to get rid of the bag for you?

miamee wrote: »

I'm assuming that the video evidence will show you "hiding" your empty bag instead of putting it back in the car or in a bin and you'll still be fined for littering.

@all above..
No offence but do you work in Fingal County Council !?
Then wtf is with your attitude ?
I'm not a sheep to act and pay at first letter.
The Microsoft guys in India will be rich if they will call me every day !

I said am not acting like a smart arse here, but I need to know HOW I've been identified and WHY im ben charged.
If the bag left over there, by me, without thinking and been aware, as there other bags left there WITHOUT a fcukign sign, i guessed and assumed is fine.
After dropping bottles in there, last thing in my mind was to hide or take the small plastic bag.

If is because the bag, after I receive the video evidence ,i will go to court and PAY the fine(s) but kindly ask the judge if is any legal reasons or frameworks to oblige the Fingal CC to put up signs to don't drop the bags, lids or other remaining items ,messing up the area as that will be an offence and €150 will go trough, for their bonuses. That will create awareness and people will avoid been here, jumping their fingers on the keyboards. Also, there was not a single sign for CCTV area, therefore that will have to be checked as well.

If that is the case,that's fine for me, lesson learned AND it will warn / teach / R E M I N D other people to don't repeat my mistake !!

Simple, stop bashing me for dropping a fcukign bag, if that will be the case...we will see...i'm not hiding but making sure no one ever gets in the same position !

Keep you posted !
Regards

PS
Few years ago I got a letter from Cork CC to pay €180 fines for illegal parking in some town never heard of.
Been in court and proved ,with documents that they were wrong, as we cannot be in Dublin and in Cork at the same time !
My car plate been identified wrongly, while my wife and I been working.

The Moldy Gowl

Haha lols.

He admits to dropping/hiding a bag and can't see how that is littering, then wants a sign saying to not litter becuase he has a child mentality, and dosent know how to adult.

But, sir, there was other bags there, why am I being picked on.
I want signs everywhere to remind me to not litter.

rolion

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Haha lols.

He admits to dropping/hiding a bag and can't see how that is littering, then wants a sign saying to not litter becuase he has a child mentality, and dosent know how to adult.

But, sir, there was other bags there, why am I being picked on.
I want signs everywhere to remind me to not litter.

Mark my words: if the fine proves that I dropped the bag, as per above posters, I will go to court to check for legal reasons to force FCC to fit the panels.
In event of failure,I will pay and install myself posters in near dumping areas to kindly remind other people to don't dump the bags, lids and do not contaminate the dropping area.Is gonna be childish,gross, rude and €150 to follow by post.

My learned lesson... haha lols

The Moldy Gowl

Erecting your own signs are also littering.


You littered, you know you littered, they clearly have evidence. why are you fighting?

SteM

rolion wrote: »

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If is because the bag, after I receive the video evidence ,i will go to court and PAY the fine(s) but kindly ask the judge if is any legal reasons or frameworks to oblige the Fingal CC to put up signs to don't drop the bags, lids or other remaining items ,messing up the area as that will be an offence and €150 will go trough, for their bonuses. That will create awareness and people will avoid been here, jumping their fingers on the keyboards. Also, there was not a single sign for CCTV area, therefore that will have to be checked as well.....

When you do this please post the details here. I'll gladly take the day off work to go and see it happen, but I don't believe that it will.

January

Seriously did you honestly think that will hold up? Sorry lads, everyone else put their hand in the fire so I did too.

Teyla Emmagan

rolion wrote: »

Mark my words: if the fine proves that I dropped the bag, as per above posters, I will go to court to check for legal reasons to force FCC to fit the panels.
In event of failure,I will pay and install myself posters in near dumping areas to kindly remind other people to don't dump the bags, lids and do not contaminate the dropping area.Is gonna be childish,gross, rude and €150 to follow by post.

My learned lesson... haha lols

Most recycling stations state 'don't leave bags or boxes here' and even if they didn't, they wouldn't need to because, most PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT STUPID. Leaving a bag behind is dumping, you deserve the fine for being a lazy gobsh*te.

TallGlass

Lads, would you's ever relax for god sake. It's one empty bag, it takes someone what 2/3 mins clean up the empty bags/boxes.

I do have a problem with the people who roll up and leave everything out in the open. Bottles, Rubbish etc..

Repak should provide a bin for the EMPTY plastic bags and something for the EMPTY boxes people bring there stuff in, instead of shooting out fines for 150€, which IMO is fairly excessive for one plastic bag. A warning would do in the case of a plastic bag/empty box.

OldBean

rolion wrote: »

@all above..
No offence but do you work in Fingal County Council !?
Then wtf is with your attitude ?
I'm not a sheep to act and pay at first letter.
The Microsoft guys in India will be rich if they will call me every day !

I said am not acting like a smart arse here, but I need to know HOW I've been identified and WHY im ben charged.
If the bag left over there, by me, without thinking and been aware, as there other bags left there WITHOUT a fcukign sign, i guessed and assumed is fine.
After dropping bottles in there, last thing in my mind was to hide or take the small plastic bag.

If is because the bag, after I receive the video evidence ,i will go to court and PAY the fine(s) but kindly ask the judge if is any legal reasons or frameworks to oblige the Fingal CC to put up signs to don't drop the bags, lids or other remaining items ,messing up the area as that will be an offence and €150 will go trough, for their bonuses. That will create awareness and people will avoid been here, jumping their fingers on the keyboards. Also, there was not a single sign for CCTV area, therefore that will have to be checked as well.

If that is the case,that's fine for me, lesson learned AND it will warn / teach / R E M I N D other people to don't repeat my mistake !!

Simple, stop bashing me for dropping a fcukign bag, if that will be the case...we will see...i'm not hiding but making sure no one ever gets in the same position !

Keep you posted !
Regards

PS
Few years ago I got a letter from Cork CC to pay €180 fines for illegal parking in some town never heard of.
Been in court and proved ,with documents that they were wrong, as we cannot be in Dublin and in Cork at the same time !
My car plate been identified wrongly, while my wife and I been working.

What an absolutely terrible attitude.

Everyone knows not to litter, regardless of "hiding" it. One would hope we don't need signs on every street.

I would hope the judge directs you to the following:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/act/pub/0012/

...Rather than give in to your irresponsible actions and queries, and put tax payers money towards signs.

rolion

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Erecting your own signs are also littering.


You littered, you know you littered, they clearly have evidence. why are you fighting?

I'm fighting ?
I've asked for clarification here, is a 3 months old case,understood it "could" be the dropping bag, i need to clarify that is the case and if proved wrong, i will pay the fine.

Can I kindly check for an assumptions here: what if I took the bag back in the car, it cannot be seen on their video BUT they got only my car plates in clear recording and I pay for other bags in there !? Lets wait for the video.

I'll check for the warning panels also, thanks for the tip with littering.

It looks like is getting too "personal" and is time for me to go offline.

TGIF and clear skies...sorry, clean dumping containers !

OldBean

TallGlass wrote: »

Lads, would you's ever relax for god sake. It's one empty bag, it takes someone what 2/3 mins clean up the empty bags/boxes.

And if everyone takes that approach, we've a couple of hundred empty bags there over a weekend.

Lovely.

Captain Chaos

TallGlass wrote: »

Lads, would you's ever relax for god sake. It's one empty bag, it takes someone what 2/3 mins clean up the empty bags/boxes.

I do have a problem with the people who roll up and leave everything out in the open. Bottles, Rubbish etc..

Repak should provide a bin for the EMPTY plastic bags and something for the EMPTY boxes people bring there stuff in, instead of shooting out fines for 150€, which IMO is fairly excessive for one plastic bag. A warning would do in the case of a plastic bag/empty box.

Eh no. A warning will do feck all. To teach people you have to hit them in the pocket. Either do it right or don't bother.

Otherwise you just end up with our current legal system of judges letting people off with suspended sentences.

blade1

rolion wrote: »

Could have been as I remember (I could be wrong, is months since) that I have "hide" the bag, along with other bags left there, it wasn't only mine !

If that is the case, is a easy target to get €150 from every one of the people dropping bags there...

At least, if I'm been proven wrong, i will get them working for the fee to get the video evidence, lesson for next time (if ever I m going near that place again) or for other people here...

Another registered appeal / request letter, back to them, in the post...

I'll eat my hat if the video evidence shows it wasn't you.

jungleman

I really don't see what your point is. Using that logic, I should be able to walk around Dublin exposing myself to people because there aren't any signs up saying "DON'T EXPOSE YOURSELF".

You knew that leaving your bag was wrong. You did it anyway, you were caught, you were fined. It would be easier to just pay the fine and move on!

SteM

TallGlass wrote: »

Lads, would you's ever relax for god sake. It's one empty bag, it takes someone what 2/3 mins clean up the empty bags/boxes.

I do have a problem with the people who roll up and leave everything out in the open. Bottles, Rubbish etc..

Repak should provide a bin for the EMPTY plastic bags and something for the EMPTY boxes people bring there stuff in, instead of shooting out fines for 150€, which IMO is fairly excessive for one plastic bag. A warning would do in the case of a plastic bag/empty box.

Sad fact is that a lot of people are too lazy to even take the bottles out of the boxes to put them in the bins provided. If someone doesn’t bother putting an empty bag back in their car they're walking back to then they're probably not going to bother putting the empty bag in a bin.

rolion

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Eh no. A warning will do feck all. To teach people you have to hit them in the pocket. Either do it right or don't bother.

Otherwise you just end up with our current legal system of judges letting people off with suspended sentences.

I agree with you, as 2 penalty points for a driving offence is easy to digest but a fine of €80/€160 is harder to take it...

@all, let's wait for the video, please ! Assumptions is the mother of all fcukups...

Button_y

rolion wrote: »

If is because the bag, after I receive the video evidence ,i will go to court and PAY the fine(s) but kindly ask the judge if is any legal reasons or frameworks to oblige the Fingal CC to put up signs to don't drop the bags, lids or other remaining items ,messing up the area as that will be an offence and €150 will go trough, for their bonuses. That will create awareness and people will avoid been here, jumping their fingers on the keyboards. Also, there was not a single sign for CCTV area, therefore that will have to be checked as well.

Why would they be obliged to put a sign to telling you not to do something that is clear you shouldn't do! that is mad. It reminds me of the episode of the Simpson where Homer gets warning signs put up everywhere

galljga1

jungleman wrote: »

I really don't see what your point is. Using that logic, I should be able to walk around Dublin exposing myself to people because there aren't any signs up saying "DON'T EXPOSE YOURSELF".

You knew that leaving your bag was wrong. You did it anyway, you were caught, you were fined. It would be easier to just pay the fine and move on!

Don't knock it, it's great fun. Some of the reactions you get.....
I'm off out now to 'hide' a mattress and an old washing machine behind some bushes down the bog road.

galljga1

SteM wrote: »

Sad fact is that a lot of people are too lazy to even take the bottles out of the boxes to put them in the bins provided. If someone doesn’t bother putting an empty bag back in their car they're walking back to then they're probably not going to bother putting the empty bag in a bin.

A mate of mine claims that he helped an old lady take a box of bottles out of her car, placing the box on the ground. He drove off, apparently so did she and he got fined for littering.

uck51js9zml2yt

So you go to court having leftva bag in a receptical meant for glass only.
Looking forward to hear what costs are awarded against you.

Flatzie_poo

galljga1 wrote: »

Don't knock it, it's great fun. Some of the reactions you get.....
I'm off out now to 'hide' a mattress and an old washing machine behind some bushes down the bog road.

You're such a child...

:rolleyes:

Gaspode

Alright, leave out the personal comments - attack the post not the poster

croot

OP by all means review the evidence .... and then pay your deserved fine

Don't want to derail this thread but why are we Irish so lazy about litter. Driving behind a car yesterday on the M4 and he/she throws out loads of what looked like fast food wrappings.

We just seem to have a "sure its someone else's problem" attitude towards littering.

rolion

rolion wrote: »

Could have been as I remember (I could be wrong, is months since) that I have "hide" the bag, along with other bags left there, it wasn't only mine !

If that is the case, is a easy target to get €150 from every one of the people dropping bags there...

At least, if I'm been proven wrong, i will get them working for the fee to get the video evidence, lesson for next time (if ever I m going near that place again) or for other people here...

Another registered appeal / request letter, back to them, in the post...

You will still have to pay, as you have just admitted your guilt. Its possible that the other bag hiders have gotten the same letter.

stephenl15

croot wrote: »

OP by all means review the evidence .... and then pay your deserved fine

Don't want to derail this thread but why are we Irish so lazy about litter. Driving behind a car yesterday on the M4 and he/she throws out loads of what looked like fast food wrappings.

We just seem to have a "sure its someone else's problem" attitude towards littering.

Nice first ever post :P

onlyme!

Why bother recycling if this is what you get! you go out of your way collecting bottles taking them to a bank then you get fined! .........Feck that, chuck the bottles in the bin, end of!

SteM

onlyme! wrote: »

Why bother recycling if this is what you get! you go out of your way collecting bottles taking them to a bank then you get fined! .........Feck that, chuck the bottles in the bin, end of!

Recycle away to your hearts content, just don't throw away the bag afterwards! He wasn't fined for bring bottles to the bank.

January

onlyme! wrote: »

Why bother recycling if this is what you get! you go out of your way collecting bottles taking them to a bank then you get fined! .........Feck that, chuck the bottles in the bin, end of!

He left a bag on the ground... he littered, not quite the same as bringing bottles to the bank and putting them in the bins provided...

TallGlass

OldBean wrote: »

And if everyone takes that approach, we've a couple of hundred empty bags there over a weekend.

Lovely.

Listen, I worked in Tesco before and we had a bottle bank, I cleaned it up. The bag's didn't piss me off one bit and your right there where 50/60 bags, it was the people who properly abuse them dumping household waste and junk around them.

So as someone who has had to clean a bottle banks up, I personally think it is way way way over the top to fine someone 150€ for leaving a plastic bag stuffed between the bottle banks. From my own personal experience, people don't take the bags as they do be wet and stinking of whatever, I bring my back home and place them in the bin. As I like to keep the banks tidy.

Now as I said, Repak should put a bin for cardboard empty and a bin for the plastic bags if its that big a deal, and a bin that will only take a bag.

As I said its the people who are ditching there household waste or any other type of crap they don't want and rock up on a bottle bank with no intention of recycling nothing, you need to be going after these people. Not the OP who is going there to recycle and do his bit, stuffs his bag between the banks and heads home thinking all is fine. Only to be hit with 150€ fine. Do you honestly think that person will ever recycle a thing again? I certainly don't. So the environment gets it, and the environment still gets it because the guys who dump there household waste are still getting away with it.

TallGlass

January wrote: »

He left a bag on the ground... he littered, not quite the same as bringing bottles to the bank and putting them in the bins provided...

Who said he threw a bag on the ground?

OldBean

TallGlass wrote: »

Who said he threw a bag on the ground?

True. I think it was hidden on the ground...

OldBean

TallGlass wrote: »

Listen, I worked in Tesco before and we had a bottle bank, I cleaned it up. The bag's didn't piss me off one bit and your right there where 50/60 bags, it was the people who properly abuse them dumping household waste and junk around them.

Broken window theory. You leave bags around, people dump other crap.

So as someone who has had to clean a bottle banks up, I personally think it is way way way over the top to fine someone 150€ for leaving a plastic bag stuffed between the bottle banks. From my own personal experience, people don't take the bags as they do be wet and stinking of whatever, I bring my back home and place them in the bin. As I like to keep the banks tidy.

Everyone should do what you do. And 150 is pretty fair if you leave your empty bags where they shouldn't be, when it's as easy as walking away with them. Tesco has plenty of bins around each carpark, throw them in there. It's respect and responsibility.

miamee

TallGlass wrote: »

I personally think it is way way way over the top to fine someone 150€ for leaving a plastic bag stuffed between the bottle banks.

€150 is just the standard litter fine regardless of whether it was 'just' one bag or more:

Fingal County Council website wrote:

The current on-the-spot fine for littering under the Litter Pollution Acts 1997 - 2003, is €150.00. If the matter is brought to the District Court and the offender is found guilty, the maximum fine can be up to €3,000.00

Larbre34

This is such an Irish thread.

'Damn, I was caught out, I did it, I know I did it, now how do I get out of it' is like a national pastime.


You discarded a bag, you knew in the back of your mind thats not on, console yourself with the fact some of the other droppers of bags you encountered might be suffering the same fate, and pay the flippin fine.

Spanish Eyes

You mean to say that no one puts their bottles in their own black bin?

Course they do. I hear my neighbour throwing them in the black bin every two weeks. Matter of fact he smashes them with a hammer first. Great excitement every Wed night before the black bin day.

He is a renter and doesn't mix with anyone and he doesn't drive either (bank is 1k away), so I am too embarrassed to ask him if he would like me to take the bottles to the bank when I am going.

But then again, if he is prepared to pay for the black bin collection with extra weight from the bottles, who am I to judge?

There is no way the bin truck workers would know, as the bin is placed on the lifter and dumped into the lorry. Who would know? Is there a law against this, just asking, not going to report him!

I reckon this is not uncommon.

January

No law against it, any household rubbish can go in black bin.

Spanish Eyes

January wrote: »

No law against it, any household rubbish can go in black bin.

Thanks for the info. I just had something in the back of my head that bottles should not go in the bin, but to the bank. Obviously I was wrong!

EDIT...just looked up Greyhound and they say that glass is NOT ALLOWED in the black bin....

http://greyhound.ie/recycling/

kleefarr

Get a 'bottle bag'.
We use an old big reusable shopping bag.
Take bottles. Put in bottle bank. Bring bag home. Repeat.

Spanish Eyes

kleefarr wrote: »

Get a 'bottle bag'.
We use an old big reusable shopping bag.
Take bottles. Put in bottle bank. Bring bag home. Repeat.

I use those wine bags with the compartments. I must have about ten of them now.

I drink a lot of wine....:eek:

January

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for the info. I just had something in the back of my head that bottles should not go in the bin, but to the bank. Obviously I was wrong!

EDIT...just looked up Greyhound and they say that glass is NOT ALLOWED in the black bin....

http://greyhound.ie/recycling/

Seems you can't with Panda either...

Spanish Eyes

January wrote: »

Seems you can't with Panda either...

I wonder how they would ever know it was you or me piling the bottles into the black bin though!!

As I said, the bin collectors do not look in the bins before they are emptied into the lorry.

But I do take my bottles to the bank, because I charged by weight! Good incentive.

DublinWriter

"Bottle Bank"

...the clue is in the title.

Only in Ireland does this need to be explained.