high street mall

linny

Melcorpo commercial properties. Have applied for permission to develop the old high street shopping mall. They want to amalgalate the excisting 12 shops into a restaurant and and one large store of 1384sq meters. This would be an ideal location for dealz

Cabaal

linny wrote: »

Melcorpo commercial properties. Have applied for permission to develop the old high street shopping mall. They want to amalgalate the excisting 12 shops into a restaurant and and one large store of 1384sq meters. This would be an ideal location for dealz

What is with the obsession with Dealz?

linny

Cabaal wrote:

What is with the obsession with Dealz?

No obsession really just be nice to have one in Kilkenny cheap and cheerful.

OpenYourMind

They're just a posh Euro shop really, and that's being kind. Nothing of any quality, and they always look messy. Don't think High St in Kilkenny is suitable location for a Dealz. Just my opinion.

OpenYourMind

Actually, was there not supposed to be some gaming arcade or something going in there?

road_high

linny wrote: »

Melcorpo commercial properties. Have applied for permission to develop the old high street shopping mall. They want to amalgalate the excisting 12 shops into a restaurant and and one large store of 1384sq meters. This would be an ideal location for dealz

They more or less need to redevelop or at least give it a massive face lift and put in line with the rest of High st. The ugly 1970s square front is shocking and looks so down market that would not entice any high-middle retailers. One large anchor store into the city centre though would be a great boost.
I sincerely hope this means the games-arcade proposal is gone? This would have been an awful blight on the city centre.

Autosport

Tesco Express would be handy there

road_high

OpenYourMind wrote: »

They're just a posh Euro shop really, and that's being kind. Nothing of any quality, and they always look messy. Don't think High St in Kilkenny is suitable location for a Dealz. Just my opinion.

Have to strongly disagree there...they stock a large range of respected household brands at low prices. Often in the one in Carlow and Newbridge and they are very neat and tidy too.
However, I don't think they'd be a good fit in the High st Mall.

pegasus1

Have seen a sold sign, over the emergency exit that leads to street...there is also a planning app there too...have heard from the security guy, that was there the last week, that its to be one big shop, M&S is the rumour...

road_high

pegasus1 wrote: »

Have seen a sold sign, over the emergency exit that leads to street...there is also a planning app there too...have heard from the security guy, that was there the last week, that its to be one big shop, M&S is the rumour...

Would they go for a High St store? Be great if true.

kikel

pegasus1 wrote: »

Have seen a sold sign, over the emergency exit that leads to street...there is also a planning app there too...have heard from the security guy, that was there the last week, that its to be one big shop, M&S is the rumour...

I like that rumour.

road_high

Didn't they shut a few stores a few years back though? In Naas and Mullingar. I know the economy has improved a lot and Kilkenny is buzzing these days.

foxcoverteddy

Foxy loves the thought of M&S, best under garments in the business, the food department is wow, keep your Dealz, give me M&S.

Bowlardo

Kilkenny could do with a High end supermarket.I think it would do really well if it moved in

Captain Havoc

I like M&S and Debenhams for decent threads.

Threadhead

That place needs a serious facelift, it's been dragging the rest of High Street down for too long.

M&S or Debenhams would be great additions to the town.

Dealz is all well and good but it's not the kind of shop that should be on our High Street.

foxcoverteddy

We need the high st to be traffic free and verandahs so tourists can sit out and enjoy the ambience of our city. I am told certain undertakings are quite good at ripping off tourists, like charging for substandard loos.

pegasus1

road_high wrote: »

Would they go for a High St store? Be great if true.

You do know there is an entrance on high st.
I would say the plan app was put at the side door entrance as thats the door into the the place when the 2 main entrances are closed...now foxy as for clothes dept...would there be room...unless they build up or down...must look at planning app when i next pass..high street needs to be car free before you put seating outside of cafes etc...

too small for debenhams...

foxcoverteddy

Whilst cooking breakfast for the family, nothing out of the ordinary, Sausages, bacon, white pudding and organic eggs, a couple of slices of toast, freshly squeezed orange juice, that Kilkenny is a tourist city, apart from the Design Centre we have very little touristy, Murphy's is a bit upmarket and a couple of dress boutiques the rest is run of the mill High street, not helped by an ailing mall, though Nolans have upped the anti, but alas as a tourist I would not really feel it worth walking around, the Design Centre is about 10 years or more out of date it is far too cramped, the book centre hasn't changed. I always think about Kilkenny when walking down Bond Street in London, we have no top line shops, no really top notch shoe shops, no Gucci not even Brown Thomas, come to that going down market no Shaw's.
Really Kilkenny should be a mecca of quality shopping there is money around but it goes elsewhere, can you imagine the pride if High St Kilkenny was thought of like Bond St or the Champs in Paris, that is why the future of our city does need special people with a vision of the future. Some of the so called professionals are or leave a lot to be desired. Go up market, Foxy in Fortnum and Masons, Harrods, Harvey Nicholls and dining at the Ivy oh dream on Foxy on the magic carpet, loks like I will have to rub the genie harder

Captain Havoc

London has a population of 15 million, we have a population of 25,000, that's the simple reason we don't have such stores. We have plenty of shops that cater for the type of tourist we do get and are trying to get. Kilkenny's tourism industry is thriving and we are making steps to keep the momentum going. Our tourist industry relies on Kilkenny being such a friendly city with fantastic pubs and restaurants plus the odd historical monument. You can throw whatever shop you want into the mall, it won't make a jot of difference to our tourism sector.

pegasus1

I think Foxy is looking for something like those tourist shops with didly aye music blaring :P

Oh gwad no...

foxcoverteddy

Good Lord no, we are looking upmarket much more refined, the pub type culture is long past and so are sub standard restaurants. We need to believe in Kilkenny, believe in the future and leave the bad things behind.
I was walking Riley and it coccured to me that when someone quoted the number of tourists that come to our city is second, so who provides these figures?
I personally think Kilkenny is being cheated, you think of the tourists who arrive under their own steam via Rosslare and Dublin, well there is not a road from Rosslare to Kilkenny, over used cart track maybe, the tourist sail merrily along the Waterford-Cork road and end up in the west of Ireland, you only need to sit and have a coffee at the Apple Green services in Lemybrien to watch the traffic go past, whilst at it we do not have a services to even match Apple Green.
Our main tourist route must be coaches who really are whistle stop tourists, we should really have a campaign for a better road structure from New Ross and let tourists know Kilkenny is open for business we have the scenery to rival Scotland/Wales and the West, we just do not have the infrastructure to take advantage.
Come on believe and invest in Kilkenny the jewel of Ireland, get rid of toxic thoughts, remember dreams can come true if you want them to.

Captain Havoc

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Good Lord no, we are looking upmarket much more refined, the pub type culture is long past and so are sub standard restaurants. We need to believe in Kilkenny, believe in the future and leave the bad things behind.
I was walking Riley and it coccured to me that when someone quoted the number of tourists that come to our city is second, so who provides these figures?
I personally think Kilkenny is being cheated, you think of the tourists who arrive under their own steam via Rosslare and Dublin, well there is not a road from Rosslare to Kilkenny, over used cart track maybe, the tourist sail merrily along the Waterford-Cork road and end up in the west of Ireland, you only need to sit and have a coffee at the Apple Green services in Lemybrien to watch the traffic go past, whilst at it we do not have a services to even match Apple Green.
Our main tourist route must be coaches who really are whistle stop tourists, we should really have a campaign for a better road structure from New Ross and let tourists know Kilkenny is open for business we have the scenery to rival Scotland/Wales and the West, we just do not have the infrastructure to take advantage.
Come on believe and invest in Kilkenny the jewel of Ireland, get rid of toxic thoughts, remember dreams can come true if you want them to.

We have an Apple Green in Kilkenny. Foxy, you are the one putting Kilkenny down. As far as tourism goes, we're winning. The only thing I can agree with in that post is trying to get the coaches to stay and to be fair the road from New Ross isn't great.

We who work in the tourism industry believe in Kilkenny, to be telling me to believe in Kilkenny tourism is a bit like asking Brian Cody to believe in Kilkenny hurling. You are the one who is putting the negative spin on Kilkenny. Sub standard restaurants, of course we have them but we also have places like La Campagne and Zuni. The tourists want and get pub type culture, Cleere's, Kytlers and Langtons are heavy on the trad music during music.

Failte Ireland provide the figures, I've actually covered this ground before with you. As a county we are the ninth most visited but as a city, I can't find the figure but I believe we're much higher, Kilkenny castle was the 16th most visited fee paying tourist attraction in 2014 with 259,000 visitors.

Just to add weight to my own argument, I am a graduate of Shannon College of Hotel Management, I have worked in five star hotels in Switzerland and France and Four star hotels in Switzerland, England and Ireland.

foxcoverteddy

As always I bow to your superior knowledge, and with those credentials I would not dare argue, a very knowledgeable person, however the tourists seen in the pubs would be the non coach parties, yes.
And where is the Apple Green in Kilkenny and no my friend I am not putting anyone down. Again Brian Cody has to believe in his selection for the team, I still say the people of Kilkenny must believe in their city, if only for future generations, it will never be as cheap as it is now to make the city more beautiful, and I guess the St Francis site needs some very special people to make it come alive. Foxy

Captain Havoc

Applegreen is located at Black Quarry hill. Coach parties by and large only stop for the afternoon as they're on the way to Waterford. Kilkenny is small and to be fair there isn't more than a days worth to see if you're trying to do the whole country in ten days. Only way to change this is to build an attraction.

linny

just down the town there at hmv and noticed that there's a big to let sign up on the old high street mall, 1300 odd sq meters to let, they mustn't have a tenant line up yet for after they redevelop it

Threadhead

Are they redeveloping it at the moment?

linny

Threadhead wrote:

Are they redeveloping it at the moment?

No have just applied to kk Co Co for permission to develop the site

road_high

linny wrote: »

No have just applied to kk Co Co for permission to develop the site

I'd imagine it'll take a year or two.

catbear

Cool, before property bubble imploded I think there'd been plans for apartments, I imagine the ground floor would have remained commercial.

pegasus1

eh which ever way you look at the mall, its all ground floor...

kikel

pegasus1 wrote: »

eh which ever way you look at the mall, its all ground floor...

Front is 2 story and back is in line with upper floor.

foxcoverteddy

We went to the Iverk show on Saturday, mainly to look at the cake baking and veg growing, though there was a great deal to see, but we are not exactly into tractors and such things, however on the way home we called into Dove Hill.
If you have never been I urge you to go, there is a Blarney Shop and Meadows and Byrne. We have noting to compare in Kilkenny, it would be a draw for tourists and the local population, plus of course there is a really super restaurant, of course parking is free and abundant. Dove Hill is sort of half way between Carrick and Clonmel, well signposted.
One of the things we learnt from the Iverk show was the lack of anything in Callan, more on the thread.
Foxy

pegasus1

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

We have noting to compare in Kilkenny, it would be a draw for tourists and the local population

Dove Hill really only benifits itself, as it doesn't generate any extra footfall in CoS..or Clonmell...and everyone needs a car to get there...

Plus we have the National Reptile Zoo which is in Gowran...which is a draw for people to come to kilkenny, county at least...but you need a car too..

foxcoverteddy

You are correct, however a Blarney shop would be a bonus for Kilkenny, equally the reptile place at Gowran yes excellent, we used to go on a regular basis our then 12 year old was mad keen on reptiles, he has grown into aircraft and all such things, but all the coach parties miss one of our treasures I rather suspect it is the castle, seen it been there and gone, unless we can get the coaches to stay overnight we will forever be banging our heads against the wall. If you have enough to encourage tourists to want to stay; that would be another matter, this is why I keep on about the lack of shops, upmarket of course, the tourists who come to Kilkenny do not want tat, simple old bean.
Foxy

pegasus1

This is what we need to attract tourists to kilkenny...more pubs...:D

http://www.independent.ie/life/food-drink/over-half-of-tourists-visit-ireland-for-our-pubs-31471259.html

Autosport

I think we have enough pubs

road_high

Need a few cheaoer ones maybe! Outside of Dublin and galway maybe I don't know anywhere pricier than KK.

foxcoverteddy

I agree we do not want more pubs, probably it would not matter if we lost a few more. Kilkenny should be a place of culture, a cut above most other towns.
Look we have St Mary's Cathedral; we have The Black Abbey, the Watergate I do not read much about any of those, we even have or maybe it has gone a Carnegie Library, we have a footbridge which does not go with the flow of the city, we have a new road bridge that is just not in keeping with our medieval past.
We lack any shops of significance, where does one go for presents to take back after a visit, ah yes The Design Centre, if there is room, one shudders to think what the council will do with the St Francis site, as Bulmer's advert goes only time. Foxy

Rantan

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

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We lack any shops of significance, where does one go for presents to take back after a visit, ah yes The Design Centre, Foxy

Foxy, I don't get your dislike of the design centre?! I thought that would be up your street, you were looking for that type stuff in another post recently??!
in all fairness lots of quality high end local and international produce in there...Mosse, Jerpoint, Orla kiely, Ver Wang...

Autosport

They're a tourist shop on the high street where you can get your key rings and sticks of rock

foxcoverteddy

On reflection you are quite right, it would seem that I am against Design Centre, which is not what I was meaning, the products sold are top notch by anyone's standard, in many respects it is equal to the Blarney Shop at Dove Hill, unfortunately Dove Hill is much larger in size and does sell a greater variety of goods. What I hoped to convey was the lack of space, it needs to expand, it is a winning formula, however one cannot rely on that for evermore, neither can you move it to another location.
Rather like Sherwood's move, this has robbed the High Street of a facility to buy top quality electrical goods, not even an M&S will bring back what we have lost.
Foxy

Rantan

foxcoverteddy wrote:

On reflection you are quite right, it would seem that I am against Design Centre, which is not what I was meaning, the products sold are top notch by anyone's standard, in many respects it is equal to the Blarney Shop at Dove Hill, unfortunately Dove Hill is much larger in size and does sell a greater variety of goods. What I hoped to convey was the lack of space, it needs to expand, it is a winning formula, however one cannot rely on that for evermore, neither can you move it to another location. Rather like Sherwood's move, this has robbed the High Street of a facility to buy top quality electrical goods, not even an M&S will bring back what we have lost. Foxy

Yeah...I hear you on the pokiness alright, but I think it compensates in character..I do enjoy the fact that I can peruse the fancy goods in the hoof prints of HRH's finest old nags..

linny

http://media.daft.ie/property-image/qcmHj6maz4QpgTdVB1cbGH7ExUU9rsErsz1tJGKuj2k=.pdf

just looking at the picture that's up on daft, of the mall after its redeveloped is Collins shoe shop gone or moving?

pueblo

My money (just a hunch) is on......Avoca

nootroc

pueblo wrote: »

My money (just a hunch) is on......Avoca

Avoca is being taken over by Yanks, could be a runner. pueblo

pegasus1

nootroc wrote: »

Avoca is being taken over by Yanks, could be a runner. pueblo

Oh no, not another shop for the women folk! please no!!

Hey Foxy you forgot about the two carrig donn's here in Kilkenny..

linny

pegasus1 wrote:

Hey Foxy you forgot about the two carrig donn's here in Kilkenny..

He/she probably hates the 2 carrig donn's we have in kilkenny. There probably substandard to what's in clonmel ;-)

road_high

linny wrote: »

He/she probably hates the 2 carrig donn's we have in kilkenny. There probably substandard to what's in clonmel ;-)

I was in Clonmel a few years ago and checked out some of the shops. I thought it was useless for shopping. Grand if you want M&S or a Tesco but for Menswear or much else nothing there and nearly an hour from Kk. Not in the same league at all, Carlow is better also.

foxcoverteddy

Dungarvan chaps, New Look, we have not got, M&S no, Shaws no, there are some boutiques and there are also some mens stores, in essence I prefer to go to Kildare Village wonderful choice, but stop bleating about the lack of this and that in Kilkenny, we are a tourist town and should get as much as we can. If we have a poor council whose fault is it, ours.
Foxy for the council?

foxcoverteddy

It is sad to say what was a few years ago is not now, the change that is taking place is unbelievable, yes internet shopping has had a lot to do with it
but most of all it is us, yes you and me, we no longer are prepared to pay the price of keeping the small shop in business, we want something it has to be now.
It is like the traders in Kilkenny up in arms about a pedestrian area, digging their own grave, a lack of foresight, never mind the shops we have at the moment think of those who have departed only recently, ten years has seen a large shift in shopping habits and in Kilkenny it is not Tesco, like it or not we want tourist shops, most of us go elseware. If I wanted a local dish, is there one where would I go? I cannot even buy fish and chips, elderly tourists do not want supermac or subway, what does Kilkenny offer?
Foxy on the trail