Future Classics

Tzar Chasm

As someone mentioned in the other thread, in relation to all the mk2 escorts we all wrecked as kids in fields, Hindsight is 20/20.

which got me thinking, what modern cars have that something special that will have folks falling over themselves to acquire in 20-30 years time.

Tzar Chasm

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mazda-mx5-76-km-10-month-tax/9933692?offset=25
http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-gti-irish-car-project-1992/9824687?offset=25

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/honda-crx-needs-a-new-home/9762226?offset=27


here's a few i think will be winners

Dades

Of all the "moderns" in the last 15 years this is one I'd like to have at some point.

kev1.3s

This one is sure to go stratospheric in the future. I'd love one but would be terrified of the bills.

Sleepy

VW Corrado:

Red Kev

Golf 2 Gti or GTD

Ford Sierra's

Focus ST (or any fast Focus)

XR3i's

205 GTi or rarer 309 GTi

Citroen BX

Any fast Clio...Williams, 172 etc.

Fast Meganes as well, but they'll be less desirable than the Clio

Merc W124, especially as Coupe or Estate

BMW E34, E39.

E36 Coupe's will be worth a lot around 2025

Clean Supra, Celica, RX-7, Skylines, Glanzas, Evo's and Imprezas will be worth a lot around 2025 as the boy racers of 2000-10 start to get more disposable income as their kids grow older.

Alfa 156, bigger the petrol engine, the better, make sure it has leather seats.

Porsche Boxster and clean 996's with the refitted engine. You won't get them cheaper than today.

Sleepy

I can see the Type R Civic becoming a classic too but it'll be damn near impossible find a clean one!

Tzar Chasm

Strange you mention the e36, i have one, and i can see from how its rusting that they will be rare in 10 years

Agricola

Have wondered if the e36 will have the same cachet as the e30 in ten years or so. You still see them with some regularity being used as daily drivers while e30's are almost always sunday drivers in very good nick.

Red Kev

The E36 was the first really big selling BMW in Ireland, it was launched in 1990/1 when money became more plentiful.

For anybody born around 1980 or later it started off as a desirable "cool" car that was realistically obtainable at some stage. By the mid 2000's it had dropped so far in price that it became a car that the boy racer set could afford. At some stage those boy racers will want a fast E36, the same way that people of my age (I'm 44) hanker after an E30 M3 or a Sierra Cosworth.

The fact that they are a boy racer car means that plenty of them won't survive due to accidents, mods, minimal servicing, rust etc and the good clean ones that do survive will be worth good money in the 2020's.

The M3 is interesting as it became a huge seller for BMW, selling 4-5 times as many as the E30 M3 and plenty of them still survive. Unmolested clean ones will be worth good money in a few years, IMO they've gone as low now as they ever will.

swarlb

Every car ever produced, from any era, will at some stage become a 'classic', depending on your point of view. If it becomes a classic in the sense of the word that it will be 'worth a fortune' it's a completely different thing altogether.
Pick any car from 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, and see what the values are now. Chances are they will be worth far less than when they were new, or at a guess, the same value depending on price index.
Take a 50's Austin A35, probably a few hundred quid when new, probably worth 3 or 4k in concours condition now. Or a Lancia Delta integrale. How much were they in 1990/4, 25k or 30k, not far off that now. Or a 1999 Merc CL500, how much is one worth now in comparison to when it was new.
However certain cars, which when 'new' were already classics, are the ones that usually increase in value.
There will always be exceptions of course, but very few.

w124man

Red Kev wrote: »

Merc W124, especially as Coupe or Estate

You are soooo right there !!

Sleepy

One I think we're possibly seeing bottom prices for at the moment that I hope doesn't appreciate before I can get a garage / some space to work on one is a Saab 900. I think I'm hoping in vain though!

Tzar Chasm

these are a contender, especially if you can get a mivec. The mirage was a coupe version, very rare

Lellostag

A good Volvo 850 T5R will no doubt shoot up in price in the next ten years or so.

Myrddin

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Strange you mention the e36, i have one, and i can see from how its rusting that they will be rare in 10 years

The owner of a BMW dealership I used to work in has a brand new E36, not even registered, tucked away in storage. I've seen it a few times, it still has the plastic covering on the seats from the factory, & is showroom condition. He bought it as one of the final production E36's that came into Ireland, before the model was discontinued. There can't be many in the world in this condition! Then again, he has a lot of rare BMW's, including an M1.

w124man

Frank Keane ...

Myrddin

w124man wrote: »

Frank Keane ...

Yup Quite a collection he has. Love the 850Ci....V12 quality.

kev250

Mazda Rx7
Bmw e36 m3
Honda Civic ek9
Honda Integra dc2
Mitsubishi Evo

All the skylines and possibly the Nissan 350z, even if its just for that classic tax.

goochy

he can well afford those bmws , the fat f'er was responsible for bmws being basic and overpriced in ireland for years !

Nekarsulm

goochy wrote: »

he can well afford those bmws , the fat f'er was responsible for bmws being basic and overpriced in ireland for years !

Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .

goochy

believe that if you want but since the manufacturers took over brands here they have transformed them audi vw renault etc

swarlb

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .

The phenomenon known as 'Paddy Spec' was created by Paddy himself, and his massive overblown inferiority complex. Cars all over the world were supplied to different regions in different specs, not just Ireland. We, as usual, base EVERYTHING (usually) on what happens in the UK....

unkel

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .

goochy wrote: »

believe that if you want but since the manufacturers took over brands here they have transformed them audi vw renault etc

Truth in both. On the old VRT regime, most BMWs attracted 36% VRT and 21% or thereabouts VAT. The VAT is charged over the price including VRT!

That means that any €500 option cost about €1000 incl. tax. And the base spec car was already expensive here again because of this taxation, so people were reluctant to tick any option boxes (hence the poverty spec / Paddy spec cars in Ireland)

When BMW took over importing cars into Ireland, Irish BMWs had the same standard spec as in the UK, which was much higher than we had here before. I'd say BMW took a margin hit on the Irish cars when they did that.

Also, optional extras have gone down in price over the years (probably for the same reason why a basic CD player for your living room cost €1000 in '86 and about €20 in '06)

And since the tax regime changes of 2008, the typical VRT on a BMW is half of what it used to be, making options even cheaper again

Us classic car lovers will curse all those highly specced cars in years to come, mark my words

There will be an awful lot of stuff that will go wrong, parts will quickly become obsolete, hard to get and expensive!

w124man

Just to add to the discussion, the 'paddy spec' came about because the importers in a lot of cases wouldn't listen to their customers and spec the cars to what we wanted and not what the importer thought we wanted.


I had a very long and fruitless discussion with the sales manager of VW back in the early nineties as to why they wouldn't import Vento turbo diesels. He said there was no market for them.


He was wrong!

toastedpickles

Sleepy wrote: »

One I think we're possibly seeing bottom prices for at the moment that I hope doesn't appreciate before I can get a garage / some space to work on one is a Saab 900. I think I'm hoping in vain though!

Awesome car, surprisingly easy to work on, and an absolute hoot to drive, trust me i know

Stick a 9000 engine management system in it and your laughing all the way to the bank, a guy i know sold one for 15k about 3 months ago, granted it was a super rare model, but you see the point

The Big Red Fella

Carlos sainz limited edition (5000 worldwide) st185 gt4 Toyota Celica & never mind the german merkle dirt folks!

WDB123

swarlb wrote: »

The phenomenon known as 'Paddy Spec' was created by Paddy himself, and his massive overblown inferiority complex. Cars all over the world were supplied to different regions in different specs, not just Ireland. We, as usual, base EVERYTHING (usually) on what happens in the UK....

Uk cars were always higher spec and no comparison in customer service
Sooner the better they get rid of the shower that has offered poor service to Irish customers,monopoly for to long!.

swarlb

WDB123 wrote: »

Uk cars were always higher spec and no comparison in customer service
Sooner the better they get rid of the shower that has offered poor service to Irish customers,monopoly for to long!.

There have been plenty of cars down through the years that basically had the same spec regardless of market. Plus there are plenty of countries in Europe that had a lower spec than we had for certain models.
It was not a given that cars offered to UK customers automatically had a higher spec than those offered here.
What 'shower' do you mean... exactly ?

Grueller

7th generation honda accord will be a classic in abour 20 years imo.

davidglanza

I think the Mitsubishi evo 3 will be a classic..

fancy pigeon

Citroens! Likes of the Xantia and XM (when was the last time you saw either on the road?)

Peugeot 405, 406, 605

E34 are a rare sight these days

Henry Ford III

High performance low volume models tend to become sought after.

ht9zni1gs28crp

davidglanza wrote: »

I think the Mitsubishi evo 3 will be a classic..

In this vein, the Evo 1RS and the Galant 6G VR4 will be classics before this...

Myrddin

What about the Mitsubishi GTO?

Dow99

The Pininfarina designed Peugeot 406 coupé.

http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/mrobbo15/media/Car%20sale%20photos/IMG_2395_zps5b6a2d58.jpg.html

Dades

I'd have mentioned that but afaic it's already a classic!

ht9zni1gs28crp

Myrddin wrote: »

What about the Mitsubishi GTO?

As a previous owner of one of these I loved it as a Grand Tourer...arguably the Skyline and Supra as its rivals were its biggest nemesis. Largely overlooked but what a beast!

Nekarsulm

Talking about Citroen, anyone notice the ad. on DO for a pair of DS spares cars down in Waterford?

davidglanza

miller_63 wrote: »

In this vein, the Evo 1RS and the Galant 6G VR4 will be classics before this...

But aren't the evo 3s very rare here in ireland

hi5

Most of the cars listed in this thread would not be wrecked in a field today like the OP said.
What you need to do is go on to a website and search for cars listed less than €500 and pick out anything slightly interesting.

Tzar Chasm

Exactly, thats what i was thinking when i started this thread.

I probably should have titled it

Overlooked Future classics

Thinkingaboutit

Some of these cars are at a stage where they can be bought for next to nothing, and will be thrashed about by uncaring owners. Some of the last or late Rovers were pretty good. It shows what could have been were it for the plunder of the company by the Towers consortium.

edburg

Henry Ford III wrote: »

low volume models tend to become sought after.

This in my mind.

Things like
Lancer Evo Tommi Makinen editions (5 and 6, not sure there were others),
309 Goodwood GTi (already getting hard to find),
Astra OPC Nurburgring editions (I do own 1 afterall),
Focus RS's (RS500 big earner)
R26 Megane's (think it was named this)
Golf GTi edition 30


405 is good call, Mi16. Not sure they were limited editions but a good car
Renault 19 turbo's are rare enough etc etc etc


Personally I don't think basic Focus ST's, Golf GTi, Astra OPC's will have same influence's on classic market as the old escort rs, gte etc. There is just to many in modern day, to me the markets way more flooded with these cars, where as 70's, 80's these cars were harder to come by for alot of families.

ht9zni1gs28crp

edburg wrote: »

Lancer Evo Tommi Makinen editions

Tommi Makinen editions were run as the Evo 6 only even though the majority of WRC wins for Tommi came in an Evo 5 RS. A further development of the Evo 6 and in technical terms was dubbed the Evo 6.5. Tighter steering rack and upgraded turbo along with 'red' Recaro interior are the major differences between the 6 and the 6.5

Can you guess I used to own one

Tzar Chasm

A lot of people are listing low volume high spec cars here, its kinda missing the point of the thread, obviously a tommy makinen evo will be a classic, but what about an unmolested 1.4 lancer?


here are a few that i think fit the bill, ordinary cars that were ubiquitous 10 years ago, but are already scarce on the roads

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/suzuki-baleno-1-3l-petrol/10120533?offset=7

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-rover-75/10118854?offset=4

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-323-2001/10117555?offset=14

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-focus-1-6-no-nct-read-add/9344361?offset=19

edburg

Not missing point at all imo. A real classic for me is it needs a certain amount of desirability like a limited edition model. For current cars (5-10 yrs old) today those listed are only ones that really stick out or maybe a car with every option list box ticked.

Standard cars can be classic but as I said the current market flooded with so many, for 1 of them to seen as a true desirable classic you need to find one with true low mileage of 30k miles at 25 years old.

edburg

miller_63 wrote: »

Tommi Makinen editions were run as the Evo 6 only even though the majority of WRC wins for Tommi came in an Evo 5 RS. A further development of the Evo 6 and in technical terms was dubbed the Evo 6.5. Tighter steering rack and upgraded turbo along with 'red' Recaro interior are the major differences between the 6 and the 6.5

Can you guess I used to own one

If it was me I'd still have had it

ht9zni1gs28crp

edburg wrote: »

If it was me I'd still have had it

It was too minty fresh for me! 40,000km on clock. I sold it on as too many track days were tempting me. I replaced it with an even rarer Evo1 RS which will undergo full restoration pretty soon

selectamatic

Just had a quick look through some of the adds I've saved on done deal and here's some that hadn't been sold/removed and aren't mad dear pricewise yet.
Obviously evo's and rx7's and chasers etc.. will be worth alot but they're already commanding high prices so really I wouldn't quite say they fit the bill.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-mrs-mr2-1-8-one-off/10094885?offset=10 MRS very under appreciated car even though its the best handling mr car toyota ever made.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mr2-turbo/9535352?offset=12 Mr2 turbo's are the true bargain Jap performance cars at the moment!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-carina-e-2-0-gli/10108070 nice well spec'd carina's. the carina II's are already on the up.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-celica-trd/9987389 the last of the 90's celica's any model, obviously gt4 but ssIII too.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/v6-calibra/10109454?offset=1 Vauxhall calibra's also Nova's 3 door astra hatchbacks under 1996, omega's and cavalier's.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-sierra/10105637 All sierra's

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-318i/10067398 E30 and E36 bmw's

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1990-honda-civic-1-3-automatic/10002780 All EF civics saloons or hatchbacks the Sir ones are big money already.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-eg4-for-sale/9978163 Eg civics likewise.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/99-subaru-forester-turbo/9883459 Subaru foresters, legacy's and impreza's of any spec aslong as they have a turbo.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1992-audi-80-1-9-diesel/9662413 Audi 80's

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/micra-k10/9859806 Micra k10's will probably go the way of boxy starlets.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/boxy-starlet-mintsold/9915521 Said boxy starlet

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1-3-litre-petrol/9967954 well spec'd ep80 starlets aswell

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-900se/9896690 All saabs before GM really put the boot in! Obviously a 900 classic would be better but good ones are getting dear.

Any T5 volvo will also be desirable C70t5 and 850r being the picks of the bunch. Also the rwd 40 series will continue to rise in price.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-estima-for-breaking/9965750 Finally the oddest choice I feel but there is something about a mid engined rwd family mini van that I believe will make them appealing!

Obviously there are many other better and desirable cars than those above but I feel cheap examples of the above cars can still be got and they will rise in price and desirability.

Also forgot to add in the lexus ls400 One of them put away until it qualify's for vintage tax is another great bet as they are an outstanding luxury car.
and the same could be said for many cars over the 2.0 mark its just finding the space to keep them stored away from the elements.

Tzar Chasm

I liked the previa,

interestingly the bbc series back in time for dinner used a previa as the quintessential 90s family car.

they used a mk3 escort for the eighties and a cortina for the seventies, cant remember the 50s or 60s