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Future Classics

  • 20-07-2015 11:01pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭ Tzar Chasm


    As someone mentioned in the other thread, in relation to all the mk2 escorts we all wrecked as kids in fields, Hindsight is 20/20.

    which got me thinking, what modern cars have that something special that will have folks falling over themselves to acquire in 20-30 years time.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Dades


    Of all the "moderns" in the last 15 years this is one I'd like to have at some point.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭ kev1.3s


    This one is sure to go stratospheric in the future. I'd love one but would be terrified of the bills.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,505 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    VW Corrado:
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭ Red Kev


    Golf 2 Gti or GTD

    Ford Sierra's

    Focus ST (or any fast Focus)

    XR3i's

    205 GTi or rarer 309 GTi

    Citroen BX

    Any fast Clio...Williams, 172 etc.

    Fast Meganes as well, but they'll be less desirable than the Clio

    Merc W124, especially as Coupe or Estate

    BMW E34, E39.

    E36 Coupe's will be worth a lot around 2025

    Clean Supra, Celica, RX-7, Skylines, Glanzas, Evo's and Imprezas will be worth a lot around 2025 as the boy racers of 2000-10 start to get more disposable income as their kids grow older.

    Alfa 156, bigger the petrol engine, the better, make sure it has leather seats.

    Porsche Boxster and clean 996's with the refitted engine. You won't get them cheaper than today.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,505 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    I can see the Type R Civic becoming a classic too but it'll be damn near impossible find a clean one!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭ Tzar Chasm


    Strange you mention the e36, i have one, and i can see from how its rusting that they will be rare in 10 years


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,546 ✭✭✭ Agricola


    Have wondered if the e36 will have the same cachet as the e30 in ten years or so. You still see them with some regularity being used as daily drivers while e30's are almost always sunday drivers in very good nick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭ Red Kev


    The E36 was the first really big selling BMW in Ireland, it was launched in 1990/1 when money became more plentiful.

    For anybody born around 1980 or later it started off as a desirable "cool" car that was realistically obtainable at some stage. By the mid 2000's it had dropped so far in price that it became a car that the boy racer set could afford. At some stage those boy racers will want a fast E36, the same way that people of my age (I'm 44) hanker after an E30 M3 or a Sierra Cosworth.

    The fact that they are a boy racer car means that plenty of them won't survive due to accidents, mods, minimal servicing, rust etc and the good clean ones that do survive will be worth good money in the 2020's.

    The M3 is interesting as it became a huge seller for BMW, selling 4-5 times as many as the E30 M3 and plenty of them still survive. Unmolested clean ones will be worth good money in a few years, IMO they've gone as low now as they ever will.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭ swarlb


    Every car ever produced, from any era, will at some stage become a 'classic', depending on your point of view. If it becomes a classic in the sense of the word that it will be 'worth a fortune' it's a completely different thing altogether.
    Pick any car from 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, and see what the values are now. Chances are they will be worth far less than when they were new, or at a guess, the same value depending on price index.
    Take a 50's Austin A35, probably a few hundred quid when new, probably worth 3 or 4k in concours condition now. Or a Lancia Delta integrale. How much were they in 1990/4, 25k or 30k, not far off that now. Or a 1999 Merc CL500, how much is one worth now in comparison to when it was new.
    However certain cars, which when 'new' were already classics, are the ones that usually increase in value.
    There will always be exceptions of course, but very few.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭ w124man


    Red Kev wrote: »

    Merc W124, especially as Coupe or Estate


    You are soooo right there !!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,505 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    One I think we're possibly seeing bottom prices for at the moment that I hope doesn't appreciate before I can get a garage / some space to work on one is a Saab 900. I think I'm hoping in vain though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭ Tzar Chasm


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    these are a contender, especially if you can get a mivec. The mirage was a coupe version, very rare


  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭ Lellostag


    A good Volvo 850 T5R will no doubt shoot up in price in the next ten years or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    Strange you mention the e36, i have one, and i can see from how its rusting that they will be rare in 10 years

    The owner of a BMW dealership I used to work in has a brand new E36, not even registered, tucked away in storage. I've seen it a few times, it still has the plastic covering on the seats from the factory, & is showroom condition. He bought it as one of the final production E36's that came into Ireland, before the model was discontinued. There can't be many in the world in this condition! Then again, he has a lot of rare BMW's, including an M1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭ w124man


    Frank Keane ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭ Myrddin


    w124man wrote: »
    Frank Keane ...

    Yup :) Quite a collection he has. Love the 850Ci....V12 quality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭ kev250


    Mazda Rx7
    Bmw e36 m3
    Honda Civic ek9
    Honda Integra dc2
    Mitsubishi Evo

    All the skylines and possibly the Nissan 350z, even if its just for that classic tax.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭ goochy


    he can well afford those bmws , the fat f'er was responsible for bmws being basic and overpriced in ireland for years !


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭ Nekarsulm


    goochy wrote: »
    he can well afford those bmws , the fat f'er was responsible for bmws being basic and overpriced in ireland for years !

    Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭ goochy


    believe that if you want but since the manufacturers took over brands here they have transformed them audi vw renault etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭ swarlb


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .

    The phenomenon known as 'Paddy Spec' was created by Paddy himself, and his massive overblown inferiority complex. Cars all over the world were supplied to different regions in different specs, not just Ireland. We, as usual, base EVERYTHING (usually) on what happens in the UK....


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Nope, every government we elected was the cause of that, with duty and VRT and customs duty. Leading to the phenomenon of the "Paddy spec" .
    goochy wrote: »
    believe that if you want but since the manufacturers took over brands here they have transformed them audi vw renault etc

    Truth in both. On the old VRT regime, most BMWs attracted 36% VRT and 21% or thereabouts VAT. The VAT is charged over the price including VRT!

    That means that any €500 option cost about €1000 incl. tax. And the base spec car was already expensive here again because of this taxation, so people were reluctant to tick any option boxes (hence the poverty spec / Paddy spec cars in Ireland)

    When BMW took over importing cars into Ireland, Irish BMWs had the same standard spec as in the UK, which was much higher than we had here before. I'd say BMW took a margin hit on the Irish cars when they did that.

    Also, optional extras have gone down in price over the years (probably for the same reason why a basic CD player for your living room cost €1000 in '86 and about €20 in '06)

    And since the tax regime changes of 2008, the typical VRT on a BMW is half of what it used to be, making options even cheaper again

    Us classic car lovers will curse all those highly specced cars in years to come, mark my words :p

    There will be an awful lot of stuff that will go wrong, parts will quickly become obsolete, hard to get and expensive!

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭ w124man


    Just to add to the discussion, the 'paddy spec' came about because the importers in a lot of cases wouldn't listen to their customers and spec the cars to what we wanted and not what the importer thought we wanted.


    I had a very long and fruitless discussion with the sales manager of VW back in the early nineties as to why they wouldn't import Vento turbo diesels. He said there was no market for them.


    He was wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,624 toastedpickles


    Sleepy wrote: »
    One I think we're possibly seeing bottom prices for at the moment that I hope doesn't appreciate before I can get a garage / some space to work on one is a Saab 900. I think I'm hoping in vain though!

    Awesome car, surprisingly easy to work on, and an absolute hoot to drive, trust me i know ;)

    Stick a 9000 engine management system in it and your laughing all the way to the bank, a guy i know sold one for 15k about 3 months ago, granted it was a super rare model, but you see the point


  • Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭ The Big Red Fella


    Carlos sainz limited edition (5000 worldwide) st185 gt4 Toyota Celica & never mind the german merkle dirt folks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭ WDB123


    swarlb wrote: »
    The phenomenon known as 'Paddy Spec' was created by Paddy himself, and his massive overblown inferiority complex. Cars all over the world were supplied to different regions in different specs, not just Ireland. We, as usual, base EVERYTHING (usually) on what happens in the UK....
    Uk cars were always higher spec and no comparison in customer service
    Sooner the better they get rid of the shower that has offered poor service to Irish customers,monopoly for to long!.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭ swarlb


    WDB123 wrote: »
    Uk cars were always higher spec and no comparison in customer service
    Sooner the better they get rid of the shower that has offered poor service to Irish customers,monopoly for to long!.

    There have been plenty of cars down through the years that basically had the same spec regardless of market. Plus there are plenty of countries in Europe that had a lower spec than we had for certain models.
    It was not a given that cars offered to UK customers automatically had a higher spec than those offered here.
    What 'shower' do you mean... exactly ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭ Grueller


    7th generation honda accord will be a classic in abour 20 years imo.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭ davidglanza


    I think the Mitsubishi evo 3 will be a classic..


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