Cross bull, sell now or feed on indoors

jfh

Bought a aa bull last April who has turned into a total lunatic out in the field, he quietens down in the house.
Decided to get rid of him after numerous chances.
Would I be better off sending him of to factory now or feed him on to fatten?
Any opinions welcome

mahoney_j

jfh wrote: »

Bought a aa bull last April who has turned into a total lunatic out in the field, he quietens down in the house.
Decided to get rid of him after numerous chances.
Would I be better off sending him of to factory now or feed him on to fatten?
Any opinions welcome

Book him into factory in morning and get rid of him,cross bull has no place on any farm

Greengrass1

Factory.

frazzledhome

Happy meal

jfh

frazzledhome wrote: »

Happy meal

That's a fairly unanimous decision ;-)

Have had lim bull for as long as I can remember, changed this year to a AA. Never came across one so cross.

foxy farmer

Will you have calves off him? Had a similar problem here and his progeny are as bad. Everthing off him has to go. A few of the heifers would be fit for a bull fighting arena in Spain. Only answer for the likes of them is hanging by the back legs.

milkprofit

jfh wrote: »

Bought a aa bull last April who has turned into a total lunatic out in the field, he quietens down in the house.
Decided to get rid of him after numerous chances.
Would I be better off sending him of to factory now or feed him on to fatten?
Any opinions welcome

Kildare chilling 3e/kg

CloughCasey1

Don't be mad. If he took a notion he'd make a hoop of the barrier and God forbid you are a member of your family would be in the way. There was a lad killed by a bull bout 18miles from here a few years ago. When they were trying to save him and get the bull away from him with a jd 6610 bull made for tractor and lifted front axel clean off the ground.

yellow50HX

jfh wrote: »

Bought a aa bull last April who has turned into a total lunatic out in the field, he quietens down in the house.
Decided to get rid of him after numerous chances.
Would I be better off sending him of to factory now or feed him on to fatten?
Any opinions welcome

Phone call to the factory in the morning

blue5000

Get rid.

simonhm

get rid of the tramp before you get yourself killed. theres no need for tradgedies like that on farms

ger b

Do you really need that type of excitement in your life been there done that get rid even if to take a loss on him

Genghis Cant

We had a young Ch bull who turned turk on us. Woeful nasty he turned. There was no reasoning with him all.
After an ordeal, he came down into the slatted shed with the cows. The cows were let out. He was fed for a month and killed.

patsy_mccabe

Genghis Cant wrote: »

We had a young Ch bull who turned turk on us. Woeful nasty he turned. There was no reasoning with him all.
After an ordeal, he came down into the slatted shed with the cows. The cows were let out. He was fed for a month and killed.

But did he quieten anything in the shed?. You'd imagine he'd only get worst on his own.

Milked out

Had a fr last year was gone bad, was giving out in the field put it down to being quiet on the bulling front. only got worse in shed only way of managing him was having another lad with him to distract him some bit. Walk past the barrier and head down and he'd hop off it. Had locking barriers put could never catch the bastard he.d just stand back with the head down. It was getting him out of the pen and up the ramp was the most dangerous part. All he'd do would turn and face you and that was trying to get him out of the pen.

WesternZulu

Sell him!
Money really shouldn't come into it, just get rid of him, he's a ticking time bomb!
From experience at home, a bull like that is better off gone before something irreversible happens and it's too late then.

Ashill5

Book him into the factory as soon as you can!

Better being safe rather than been sorry you didn't get rid of him!

Sam Kade

jfh wrote: »

Bought a aa bull last April who has turned into a total lunatic out in the field, he quietens down in the house.
Decided to get rid of him after numerous chances.
Would I be better off sending him of to factory now or feed him on to fatten?
Any opinions welcome

Is he a young bull?

mahoney_j

Sam Kade wrote: »

Is he a young bull?

Don't matter a Shyte Sam ,his cross and op was able to post a question here this time ,might not be able to do it if he is kept ...money shouldn't come into it

patsy_mccabe

But if you are set up to handle him, what's wrong with keeping him? What about the guys finishing bulls, are they supposed to get rid of everyone that turns wicked. Half their shed could be dangerous by the time they are fit to kill. I know a guy that used to finish over 100 bulls at any one time and you'd walk into the shed and there always be a few shaking the head at you.

Genghis Cant

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

But did he quieten anything in the shed?. You'd imagine he'd only get worst on his own.

We didn't expect he'd quiten. And we weren't disappointed. He was dangerous, inside or outside.
We have a good set up, shed wise, and the place is quiet, so we said we'd put some condition on him.
Holding a dangerous bull is not an option for everyone, but in our case we were confident we could do it safely. And we did.

mf240

Take him to the factory. Make sure your agent knows hes cross so the workers will be prepared for him.

He will be easy managed when hes vacumed packed in family sized portions.

lakill Farm

sell him in the mart, not just your local one

best return on investment

White Clover

lakill Farm wrote: »

sell him in the mart, not just your local one

best return on investment

Absolutely reckless advice.
Only one place for him and that's the hook ASAP.

Sam Kade

mahoney_j wrote: »

Don't matter a Shyte Sam ,his cross and op was able to post a question here this time ,might not be able to do it if he is kept ...money shouldn't come into it

I was just wondering was he a young bull that went cross.

Mad4simmental

Factory, I hate when lads bring in a head case of a bull or cow to the mart it's dangerous and could get the next man or sumone in the mart killed.

lakill Farm

White Clover wrote: »

Absolutely reckless advice.
Only one place for him and that's the hook ASAP.

1/ Everyone concepts of a "Cross" bull is different

2/ no examples supplied of said cross bull

3/ The last lad didn't mind selling him to the OP (15 months ago)

4/ Make more money selling for breeding compared to burgers

lakill Farm

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Factory, I hate when lads bring in a head case of a bull or cow to the mart it's dangerous and could get the next man or sumone in the mart killed.

I have seen the quietest of animals on the farm go mental in the mart and also seen a few mental farm animals looking very quiet in the ring.

and I would be very surprised if everyone on here couldn't verify this

White Clover

lakill Farm wrote: »

1/ Everyone concepts of a "Cross" bull is different

2/ no examples supplied of said cross bull

3/ The last lad didn't mind selling him to the OP (15 months ago)

4/ Make more money selling for breeding compared to burgers

1. A cross bull is a cross bull. There is no scale from 1 to 10 for this.

2. The op said he has turned into a total lunatic. A near escape shouldn't be required as an example

3. A bull can turn wicked at any time.

4. Money should never be a consideration in these situations. He wouldn't go far in paying for a funeral

Count Mondego

lakill Farm wrote: »

1/ Everyone concepts of a "Cross" bull is different

2/ no examples supplied of said cross bull

3/ The last lad didn't mind selling him to the OP (15 months ago)

4/ Make more money selling for breeding compared to burgers

I assumed your first post was a joke! Any clown knows what a cross bull is, no need for a likert scale. Hang him up and don't pass him onto an unsuspecting farmer.

blue5000

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

But if you are set up to handle him, what's wrong with keeping him? What about the guys finishing bulls, are they supposed to get rid of everyone that turns wicked. Half their shed could be dangerous by the time they are fit to kill. I know a guy that used to finish over 100 bulls at any one time and you'd walk into the shed and there always be a few shaking the head at you.

In my experience the mad lads don't thrive, hard to get fat cover on them, hard to load as well. One lad on his own in a pen won't settle.

orm0nd

took an aa to the factory last year for a neighbour & he was a fruitcake,

had to push him up the ramp with hg gate strapped to the shear grab,

think ashbourne give a bonus for aa if you have his ped cert

keep going

Under no circumstances would I continue to keep a cross bull for breeding but with the right facilities there is no problem fattening them.i have a relation that fattens bulls but he has a good facility for them plus he has alot of experience of them.but in terms of keeping them around in normal for work, not a chance

mf240

lakill Farm wrote: »

sell him in the mart, not just your local one

best return on investment

Ffs what kind of advice is that.

@ to lose of on a few euros by factorting him.

mahoney_j

How in the name of jaysus some of ye are suggesting stuff here is baffling .a cross bull is a cross bull full stop and needs to be gotten rid of asap before he dose any damage .to suggest sending him to a mart and sure not your own mart is downright irresponsible and putting someone else's life at risk.its a small wonder there are so many accidents and deaths on farms due to a very cavalier attitude to safety by some.op I hope you took the sensible advice of some of us here and booked that bull into a factory this morning ,better you looking at a cheque be it big or small from the factory than ur family having a funeral to organise.....

Blackgrass

keep going wrote: »

Under no circumstances would I continue to keep a cross bull for breeding but with the right facilities there is no problem fattening them.i have a relation that fattens bulls but he has a good facility for them plus he has alot of experience of them.but in terms of keeping them around in normal for work, not a chance

So a bull setup, does that mean tougher/higher gates/barrier and pens set up with escape gaps and as little work in pen as possible?

AP2014

mahoney_j wrote: »

How in the name of jaysus some of ye are suggesting stuff here is baffling .a cross bull is a cross bull full stop and needs to be gotten rid of asap before he dose any damage .to suggest sending him to a mart and sure not your own mart is downright irresponsible and putting someone else's life at risk.its a small wonder there are so many accidents and deaths on farms due to a very cavalier attitude to safety by some.op I hope you took the sensible advice of some of us here and booked that bull into a factory this morning ,better you looking at a cheque be it big or small from the factory than ur family having a funeral to organise.....

Spot on, can't understand lads selling on dangerous animals. Potentially someone will get injured or even worse killed. Same muppets will be applying for farm safety grants. :rolleyes:

jfh

Sam Kade wrote: »

I was just wondering was he a young bull that went cross.

Yeah young bull turned cross

jfh

blue5000 wrote: »

In my experience the mad lads don't thrive, hard to get fat cover on them, hard to load as well. One lad on his own in a pen won't settle.

We have an old quiet cow in with him

whelan2

jfh wrote: »

We have an old quiet cow in with him

POOR COW

keep going

Blackgrass wrote: »

So a bull setup, does that mean tougher/higher gates/barrier and pens set up with escape gaps and as little work in pen as possible?

He has small pens beside each other first then he can let a couple together before eventually putting them into a pen with wires overhead.they are also fed plenty ration, practical ly asleep with it

jfh

Thanks for all the advise. Do realise everyone has a different idea of cross bull. This guy roars across at neighbours cattle most nights, even though he's in a field of cows. He's constantly roaring & running along hedge. We wouldn't risk putting him near a field alongside a road.
We have good fencing but if he did break into a neighbouring farm we'd be in trouble.
Have to herd cattle with a jeep, not worth all the hassle.
Only have the fcuker since April this year & there's no way I'd sell him onto some unsuspecting lad.

whelan2

jfh wrote: »

Thanks for all the advise. Do realise everyone has a different idea of cross bull. This guy roars across at neighbours cattle most nights, even though he's in a field of cows. He's constantly roaring & running along hedge. We wouldn't risk putting him near a field alongside a road.
We have good fencing but if he did break into a neighbouring farm we'd be in trouble.
Have to herd cattle with a jeep, not worth all the hassle.
Only have the fcuker since April this year & there's no way I'd sell him onto some unsuspecting lad.

we breed bulls never ever trust any bull, we bring in cows with the jeep when bull is with cows.

tanko

whelan2 wrote: »

we breed bulls never ever trust any bull, we bring in cows with the jeep when bull is with cows.

Good point, farmers have been attacked by the "quiet bull" as well as the "mad bull".

Bellview

jfh wrote: »

Thanks for all the advise. Do realise everyone has a different idea of cross bull. This guy roars across at neighbours cattle most nights, even though he's in a field of cows. He's constantly roaring & running along hedge. We wouldn't risk putting him near a field alongside a road.
We have good fencing but if he did break into a neighbouring farm we'd be in trouble.
Have to herd cattle with a jeep, not worth all the hassle.
Only have the fcuker since April this year & there's no way I'd sell him onto some unsuspecting lad.

Like Whelan point never trust a bull... as a bull is always a bull. Only you are the best judge & know when they are cross or not. One trait of the AA is they are f*ckers for roaring... our lad at home could give you a pain in the head some days but he quiet to handle etc as he is in the place over 3 years now. Roaring would not worry me but some of their other actions would

frogloch

Get him to factory. Don't even think of offloading a mad bull in mart. You couldn't live with yourself if anything happened to someone else because of your actions. You've only one life. Had bulls here turn mad overnight from BB's to friesians to aa. A bb we had you'd hardly move him with tractor not a hope with quad, that fellow we rang haulier to collect for factory. Here he comes with an empty lorry, not a hope in loading him, charge you if you got into pen with him even four men here couldn't touch him (we didn't want to get killed). Haulier came back next day with cull cows in lorry, let them out into pen with the bull. We then ran them all back into lorry (bull included) no problem. Anytime a bull goes wicked on us we ring haulier and he will bring him down to factory with a load of cull cows or heifers no problem. As I said you've only one life don't take risks, life's too short as it is.

milkprofit

lakill Farm wrote: »

I have seen the quietest of animals on the farm go mental in the mart and also seen a few mental farm animals looking very quiet in the ring.

and I would be very surprised if everyone on here couldn't verify this

U said it look quite
If u send to mart u are responsible for his actions

Suckler

One lads experience with hanging on to a bull he shouldn't have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7JjINN1NQ

WheatenBriar

Aye Factory Now!
Bulls are deadly dangerous with 4 much faster legs than your two

lakill Farm

slate me all you want but how many of ye take the factory route with a wild cow or heifer ?

2 different rules?

or is it because she is only mad for a few days after calving and sure she throws great calves

WheatenBriar

lakill Farm wrote: »

slate me all you want but how many of ye take the factory route with a wild cow or heifer ?

2 different rules?

or is it because she is only mad for a few days after calving and sure she throws great calves

I didn't read the rest of the thread so have no idea what you posted
However there are probably a lot more people killed or maimed every year by mad bulls than by a wild cow,hence the instant advice