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Damien Rice

  • 17-07-2015 2:59am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭


    What happened? Some people saying the crowd was awful and talked right through the opening act and didn't stop when he took the stage either and that he just blew through his set without interacting with the crowd (if the talking happened, I wouldn't blame him for doing this)

    But it also seems that people are saying there wasn't anything bad in the crowd that he just being a pr1ck. Not great when that's the headline act for the Festival


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    I heard from someone there that like at any other gig ive ever been to an element of the crowd were chatting(always happens at Big Top too as so many get free tickets etc), he then told them to go to the pub if they wanted a conversation and proceeded to rattle through his set. Not a fan of his or any of the Big Top gigs usually so im happy i missed nowt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    He also requested that the bar be closed at half 9.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    The bar closed about 15mins before he started, at his request. That and the fact that it was a damp evening meant a lot of people who were there for a social night out at the arts festival rather than massive Damien Rice fans were all inside the tent. He didn't interact much with the crowd, just to stop to tell those talking that the Roisin Dubh was open for them.

    I can understand if it's an indoor concert but he needs to relax a bit for a tent gig at a festival. If people want to go to bar for a pint and a chat mid-gig, let them.

    The crowd was very loud for the support act (Colm Mac Con Iomaire) though. He also made comments about it between most songs and was getting pretty frustrated. It was fairly wet at that time so a lot of people were in the tent for shelter. There was no mention of him on the listing for the night, presumably because they're still trying to sell tickets for his own gig on Monday in the Roisin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    Sad to hear the mixed reviews from Galway. I was at the gig in the Iveagh gardens last weekend and it was brilliant, he was well on form, a few rambling stories but there was a good connection with the crowd. Apart from a few drunken loud nordie women shouting ****e every few minutes (and the PA acting up) it was a great gig.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,398 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    My friends were there and one of them is a huge DR fan, the other likes him. Both were disappointed by the gig overall. He performed without a band, that was a little disappointing for them, but they said his sound was good. The biggest thing was him insisting the bar be closed early and refusing to go on until everyone had left the bar. As others have said, this was a social night for many and the gig was NOT in an intimate venue but in a festival setting. Then telling people that if they wanted to talk they could "go to the Roisin" worked - many left and did!
    Pity about the attitude.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    inisboffin wrote: »
    My friends were there and one of them is a huge DR fan, the other likes him. Both were disappointed by the gig overall. He performed without a band, that was a little disappointing for them, but they said his sound was good. The biggest thing was him insisting the bar be closed early and refusing to go on until everyone had left the bar. As others have said, this was a social night for many and the gig was NOT in an intimate venue but in a festival setting. Then telling people that if they wanted to talk they could "go to the Roisin" worked - many left and did!
    Pity about the attitude.

    The odd thing about it is, he drinks. He also plays other venues with a bar open. I just followed how things were going from live tweets. People were complaining about the crowd during the opening act. I'm guessing that's why he wanted the bar to be closed.

    It sounds like he outgrew Galway

    I've never been a fan of the Arts Festival. It attracts a crappy crowd. Between the Rally weekend in January, Race week in July, Arts Festival in July, RAG week at the start of the year...there's a few weeks in the year of a bad element around the city and not a lot else for the people who don't enjoy be surrounded by arseholes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    People were complaining about the crowd during the opening act. I'm guessing that's why he wanted the bar to be closed.

    No there were signs up on the way in (before the support act started) that "The bar will close at 9.30pm tonight, at the request of the artist".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    J o e wrote: »
    No there were signs up on the way in (before the support act started) that "The bar will close at 9.30pm tonight, at the request of the artist".

    If it was stated on tickets or when purchasing in advance it may well have kept the talkers out, thus solving Mr Rice's issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭iluvfatfrogs


    I was at the concert last night, and although there was noise coming from the peripheries, i felt that it was almost as a result of the non-interaction from DR himself.

    There was a lot of noise for the warm act, but considering people were just making their way in, not many would have known who he was and it was 100% instrumental, its not hard to see why.

    The noise wasn't too bad when DR started, but he didnt interact once with the crowd until he told them to be quiet, and he had lost those attendees by this point anyway.

    Towards the end of the gig he got the crowd participating (at his request) and this was easily the best 10 mins of the gig! if he had started out on this vein, it might have been a totally different gig!

    I also agree with previous poster re stating in the advertisements that the bar would be closed while he was on stage, the tickets cost enough for people to commit to a full night out, which they would have presumed had access to a bar!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    J o e wrote: »
    No there were signs up on the way in (before the support act started) that "The bar will close at 9.30pm tonight, at the request of the artist".

    Odd. Although, I've gone to gigs like that before.

    I wonder why he decided that for Galway but allows it at other gigs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    always have average artists at premium prices, think they can justify it as it the feshtival!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    I also agree with previous poster re stating in the advertisements that the bar would be closed while he was on stage, the tickets cost enough for people to commit to a full night out, which they would have presumed had access to a bar!

    I got to a Dave Chappelle show once to find a flyer on my seat saying No talking, No Pictures, No Video, No Shouting and No Alcohol while Dave is performing.

    This was an actual festival. It was called the Oddball Festival. There were 6 other Comedians and a musical act.

    The reaction wasn't to talk over them though. I know for some reason some people who go to a show feel like they are going to be part of the show. I don't get that, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    J o e wrote: »
    No there were signs up on the way in (before the support act started) that "The bar will close at 9.30pm tonight, at the request of the artist".

    would have been less there is they knew that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    seanin4711 wrote: »
    always have average artists at premium prices, think they can justify it as it the feshtival!

    Wow, how do you define average? Are you talking about how much they gross? Talent?

    I know a lot of people don't like him because he was part of that singer songwriter period, which, for some reason people in Ireland didn't like but what is it that he has done that makes people so upset?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    I'd say the operators of the bar concession were a bit annoyed! I'm sure they paid handsomely to operate the bar there, this would have hit their profits big time. Arts festival may have had to compensate them for loss of revenue...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭ingalway


    Every time I go to a gig at the Big Top I regret it and against my better judgement I went again earlier this week.

    I hated it again, for all the same reasons - the majority of the crowd seem to have no interest at all in the music/performance, they spend the whole time drinking and talking very loudly. I have no problem with drinking/talking but why would you buy a €40 ticket to do that instead of just going to the pub to meet up with friends?

    I guess it must be true that loads of people get concession tickets so have no real interest in the music. I have been to lots of music events but none of them have the same awful noisy atmosphere as the Big Top. It's a real shame as it does attract some good performers that would not come to Galway otherwise but in future I'd rather travel further afield to see and hear them with a crowd who are genuinely there for the music.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 South Tipperary Arts Centre


    it's a wonder that the sound guy/rodie or whoever didn't just wang up the amplifier til it overpowered the talkers.

    Bit much though not having the bar policy notified on tickets in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Wow, how do you define average? Are you talking about how much they gross? Talent?

    I know a lot of people don't like him because he was part of that singer songwriter period, which, for some reason people in Ireland didn't like but what is it that he has done that makes people so upset?

    where else would he get 40€ a ticket currently?
    nowhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    seanin4711 wrote: »
    where else would he get 40€ a ticket currently?
    nowhere

    Inside the next two weeks:

    Rome €40
    Munich €46
    Lyon €48
    Copenhagen 470.00 kr. (€63)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    seanin4711 wrote: »
    where else would he get 40€ a ticket currently?
    nowhere

    His initial run of gigs for the new album all sold out on the day of release.


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    Does the Big Top have a history of people getting drunk and rowdy? I've never been, so I don't know, but if it has a reputation then you can understand his wanting there to be no drink.

    You also have to understand how disrespectful it is to a musician to go to a gig and talk over them. You can understand if it was a bar setting, but it's not; it's a proper gig. You're there to listen. You're there because you want to see the artist performing.

    If you want to chat continuously, go f*ck off somewhere else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    You can understand if it was a bar setting, but it's not; it's a proper gig.

    The Big Top is described on the GIAF website as "a vibrant outdoor vibe, a bar, and lots of room to dance and mingle"...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It doesn't mean you're allowed to be disrespectful to the person performing. Doesn't the Big Top hold more events than musicians? Surely people would have the common sense to know what is allowed and what isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Tipsygypsy


    I was the gig. Tickets were given to me as a gift. I don't drink anymore but the bar closing at 9:30 is very DIVA. Worked against him. We had no interest in seeing the opening act so myself and my friend had coffee outside, in the rain, so I cant speak to what went on inside the tent, (hadn't been aware it would be on and found it very 'elevator music' from where I stood outside).

    When DR came on I didn't think the talkers were unreasonably loud (from where I stood over beside the far left wall). If they seemed loud, it wasn't helped by the fact that he saved all his well known songs for the end, and the first forty minutes were very slow, quieter type of song that anyone who isn't a fan wouldn't know. I was entirely bored for the first half of the show, but knew that my friend was a fan and so stood and listened. If it weren't for her I would have left. She later told me that she wanted to leave too but was staying because she thought I wanted to stay. If only we had talked to eachother!

    He redeemed himself slightly at the end with the audience participation and the better known songs which were really enjoyable. He could have gained a stronger following by being less Diva, but I suspect that anyone who went just to check him out will have been completely put off him. I know I am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    It doesn't mean you're allowed to be disrespectful to the person performing. Doesn't the Big Top hold more events than musicians? Surely people would have the common sense to know what is allowed and what isn't.

    Is the crowd there to entertain him or is he there to entertain the crowd?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Does the Big Top have a history of people getting drunk and rowdy? I've never been, so I don't know, but if it has a reputation then you can understand his wanting there to be no drink.

    You also have to understand how disrespectful it is to a musician to go to a gig and talk over them. You can understand if it was a bar setting, but it's not; it's a proper gig. You're there to listen. You're there because you want to see the artist performing.

    If you want to chat continuously, go f*ck off somewhere else.
    No.

    It would take a very large percentage of an audience in the Big Top to drown out a performer.

    Its the GIAF, a lot of people are there for a social night out not necessarily purely for a DR gig and a lot of freebies are given too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    No.

    It would take a very large percentage of an audience in the Big Top to drown out a performer.

    Its the GIAF, a lot of people are there for a social night out not necessarily purely for a DR gig and a lot of freebies are given too.

    Just because its part of the arts festival, it was still a gig, not a circus. Social nights and chatting are for pubs, which can happen every other weekend in the year. Go to the gig and then the pub for a chat after. Other people paid money for a gig. It's disrespectful to others around you more than anything. The gig wasn't the place for talking, even with a freebie. Completely agree with Damien Rice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭irishdude11


    I was there and I thought it was a disgrace that he ordered the bar to be closed. He treated the crowd with such disrespect by doing that and they then treated him with disrespect in return by talking during his gig. If he hadn't made such a ridiculous request he wouldn't have annoyed the crowd and they would have just had a few drinks and enjoyed the gig as planned. It was a gig, not a poetry recital.

    The vast majority of people will have a few drinks at a gig, completely standard practise. Especially if it's an outdoor gig in a tent during an arts festival...ffs! He showed the height of contempt for people who had forked out alot of money to see him. I was very unhappy when I learned the bar was closing at 9.30 due to his request. I am sure a large amount of people would have taken a refund there and then if it was offered to them as he had basically ruined their night, the atmosphere was soured instantly. I've seen lots of great acts in the tent over the years and there has never been a problem like this...but then again I have never seen someone so up their own hole play that tent before. He should stick to playing wine bars or intimate gigs with die-hard fans if he has such a problem with playing standard gigs like every other artist out there. A twat of the highest order.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Just to throw my hat in here :p it's a festival tent not an intimate small room gig. Serious drama by DR.

    There are certain etiquettes to be observed at various live musical events, for instance you would be shunned by the *audience* if you chatted away at a classical concert, an opera or in the middle of a Caoineadh solo. However in this boardsies opinion going into an festival tent for a musician like Damien Rice I would think that talking isn't a major sin.

    Perhaps the audience were talking about the rain, whilst they were sheltering from it and the lack of alcohol available for some reason.

    The whole thing smacks of yer man being a bit of a twat on the night. I'm sure he's a lovely man but it was a bit over the top.

    I would left and chanced my arm to get my money back if I was there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    I went to see him in the marquee on the 13th and found it enjoyable, a couple of mates wanted to go to the Galway gig instead im glad I didn't now after reading this thread.

    As for the gig, there was plenty of people talking and going to the bar and he said nothing, in fact the crowd shushing was far more irritating than the talking.

    Now im not really a fan of DM, i never really heard much of his stuff before this gig but he strikes as a serious whinger.

    Wouldn't be in a rush back I have to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Sounds like Rice was just an awkard git and theres far too many precious people that agreed with him. I wouldnt have gone expecting an opera setting or to be able to hear a pin drop. Its a bloody arts festival not the royal variety show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,398 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    The irony is that his words or "if you want to talk, go to the Róisín" weren't accurate either. While both upstairs and downstairs were packed that night at the Roisin, , the former had a monthly music nigh ont and was a 'listening' gig"!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Owldshtok


    Maybe the festival tent is the wrong venue for a singer songwriter.It would be better for everybody if artists such as this were staged in a place like the town hall or black box.Acts who create a party atmosphere such as Chic,The Buena Vista Social Club or up tempo rock bands are more appropriate for the tent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    I'm 99% on Damien Rice's side. If you want that ****e head to Croke Park for The Script or Ed Sheerhan.

    And although he is in the right in my opinion he should probablly have known this would happen in Ireland away from the Dublin/Vicar St crowd - his name is big enough to pull a few thousand in Dublin, Cork and Galway in the space of a week but obviously outside of his fanbase the general population go to gigs to sing along with hits and to party/drink (which is how ****e like the script can sell out Croke Park) - it's a little depressing but that's the way it is.

    I have seen him numerous times and completely see why he closes the bar and the kind of ambience he is trying to create which usually leads to an amazing gig. I do think he is a bit militant with not inviting singing along at these type gigs - I know he is the artist that people are there to listen to but while you've got a few thousand people in a tent or outdoor arena and you have big songs like cannonball or the blowers daughter and you can feel the crowd dying to get involved in a sing song it seems quite subversive to not invite it. I suppose he does this to maintain the integrity of the songs and not give in to the drunken cattle mart mentality and I 100% agree with his right as an artist to perform whatever way he wants and for the crowd to respect that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭tastyt


    The man is a pain in the hole. He is paid to play a gig, so play the ****ing thing and stop whinging. You don't get to tell people who have bought tickets if they are allowed drink or not or if they are allowed to talk ffs. If he wasn't such a wet ****ing blanket himself and had a bit of charisma and showmanship he'd know how to get a crowd interested anyway.

    I'm suprised he realised anyway with his head as far up his own arse as it is. If he was playing in my back yard I'd pull the curtains. Knob.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,398 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    I suppose he does this to maintain the integrity of the songs and not give in to the drunken cattle mart mentality and I 100% agree with his right as an artist to perform whatever way he wants and for the crowd to respect that.

    You hit the nail on the head there. It's absolutely his right as an artist to do whatever with his performance (including stopping the gig if he wasn't happy - other divas have done it before and will again), but any artist worth their salt knows that they cannot control the way their audience reacts. They can guide it, request it, entice it, but when they demand it the contract is broken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    I'm 99% on Damien Rice's side. If you want that ****e head to Croke Park for The Script or Ed Sheerhan.

    And although he is in the right in my opinion he should probablly have known this would happen in Ireland away from the Dublin/Vicar St crowd - his name is big enough to pull a few thousand in Dublin, Cork and Galway in the space of a week but obviously outside of his fanbase the general population go to gigs to sing along with hits and to party/drink (which is how ****e like the script can sell out Croke Park) - it's a little depressing but that's the way it is.

    I have seen him numerous times and completely see why he closes the bar and the kind of ambience he is trying to create which usually leads to an amazing gig. I do think he is a bit militant with not inviting singing along at these type gigs - I know he is the artist that people are there to listen to but while you've got a few thousand people in a tent or outdoor arena and you have big songs like cannonball or the blowers daughter and you can feel the crowd dying to get involved in a sing song it seems quite subversive to not invite it. I suppose he does this to maintain the integrity of the songs and not give in to the drunken cattle mart mentality and I 100% agree with his right as an artist to perform whatever way he wants and for the crowd to respect that.

    The only thing I question is that he does gigs in other places and allows the sale of alcohol. He has not played very often in the Ireland over the 8 years of his 'break' but he has played in Iceland, Norway, Belgium, Finland etc. I wonder if he avoided Ireland on purpose and now that his money has dried up, he's back playing here again. Maybe he just has a low tolerance of the drunken ****e as a whole...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    I'm 99% on Damien Rice's side. If you want that ****e head to Croke Park for The Script or Ed Sheerhan.

    And although he is in the right in my opinion he should probablly have known this would happen in Ireland away from the Dublin/Vicar St crowd - his name is big enough to pull a few thousand in Dublin, Cork and Galway in the space of a week but obviously outside of his fanbase the general population go to gigs to sing along with hits and to party/drink (which is how ****e like the script can sell out Croke Park) - it's a little depressing but that's the way it is.

    I have seen him numerous times and completely see why he closes the bar and the kind of ambience he is trying to create which usually leads to an amazing gig. I do think he is a bit militant with not inviting singing along at these type gigs - I know he is the artist that people are there to listen to but while you've got a few thousand people in a tent or outdoor arena and you have big songs like cannonball or the blowers daughter and you can feel the crowd dying to get involved in a sing song it seems quite subversive to not invite it. I suppose he does this to maintain the integrity of the songs and not give in to the drunken cattle mart mentality and I 100% agree with his right as an artist to perform whatever way he wants and for the crowd to respect that.

    Or hes an utter diva


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Or hes an utter diva

    Also, possible but considering he plays a lot of other concerts in other cities...what's the difference with Galway?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Also, possible but considering he plays a lot of other concerts in other cities...what's the difference with Galway?

    I saw him in Whelans last year and bar was open for half an hour pre gig then closed. The bar in Iveagh Gardens was closed relatively early too - can't remember the exact time but was certainly before half way in his set.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Or hes an utter diva

    Well if you are singing really quiet ballads all night and trying to tell long stories explaining where the songs came from it seems reasonable that you dont want people going back and forth in the audience to the bar/toilets. He also plays a lot of 8/9 minute songs that build into something - he probably wants people to watch rather than make trips to the bar. Also especially in ireland you will reduce the amount of shouting, chatting, answering the phone etc that usually goes with drinking. I say this as someone who often drinks/gets drunk at gigs but there really isn't as much of a need for drink at the type of show Damien Rice puts on.

    You are describing him as a 'diva' because you are used to a certain type of gig with conventional bands or artists - let's think about it another way - maybe you are a 'diva' because you aren't willing to let an artist perform a gig unless he does it in the way you normally expect even though it might ruin what he is trying to do on stage.


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the general population go to gigs to sing along with hits and to party/drink

    Isn't that why every normal person goes to a gig, whats depressing is going to a gig and keeping quiet and not being allowed to have a few pints. Christ he is some tool, if I was at a gig and the artist closed the bar I'd nearly leave. Then again the gigs I go to it wouldn't happen as they like the crowd to relax and enjoy their night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Well if you are singing really quiet ballads all night and trying to tell long stories explaining where the songs came from it seems reasonable that you dont want people going back and forth in the audience to the bar/toilets. He also plays a lot of 8/9 minute songs that build into something - he probably wants people to watch rather than make trips to the bar. Also especially in ireland you will reduce the amount of shouting, chatting, answering the phone etc that usually goes with drinking. I say this as someone who often drinks/gets drunk at gigs but there really isn't as much of a need for drink at the type of show Damien Rice puts on.

    You are describing him as a 'diva' because you are used to a certain type of gig with conventional bands or artists - let's think about it another way - maybe you are a 'diva' because you aren't willing to let an artist perform a gig unless he does it in the way you normally expect even though it might ruin what he is trying to do on stage.

    Well then Rice shouldn't go near a festival or tent and only consider large operatic style venues. I dont think you'd find Pavarotti in a tent. If Rice wants that specific of a venue then he should pick the venue. Rather than trying to make the venue/crowd bend to his demands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Well then Rice shouldn't go near a festival or tent and only consider large operatic style venues. I dont think you'd find Pavarotti in a tent. If Rice wants that specific of a venue then he should pick the venue. Rather than trying to make the venue/crowd bend to his demands.

    To a some extent I agree about picking the venue/crowd - but that's more a reflection on the crowd than the artist themselves.

    I don't know what a 'large operatic style' venue is but given that it was just him playing there that night the fact that it's part of a weeklong festival shouldn't really have been a factor - it was essentially his gig so it's reasonable for him to put on the show he wants to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Isn't that why every normal person goes to a gig, whats depressing is going to a gig and keeping quiet and not being allowed to have a few pints. Christ he is some tool, if I was at a gig and the artist closed the bar I'd nearly leave. Then again the gigs I go to it wouldn't happen as they like the crowd to relax and enjoy their night.


    No a lot people go primarily for the music and to appreciate the artist - it's funny that some people are so used to a certain thing that they think every musician should give them the exact same thing in order for them to be able to enjoy themselves.


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To a some extent I agree about picking the venue/crowd - but that's more a reflection on the crowd than the artist themselves.

    I don't know what a 'large operatic style' venue is but given that it was just him playing there that night the fact that it's part of a weeklong festival shouldn't really have been a factor - it was essentially his gig so it's reasonable for him to put on the show he wants to.

    Its not his gig to entertain himself its for the crowd to enjoy it. Festival gigs like this tend to draw in lots of people who are just out for a bit of craic and are not big fans of the artist etc. There are often free tickets floating around so people go with their maybe one or two friends who are interested. They want to have a drink and a laugh and maybe sing along to the one or two songs they know.

    I have gone to gigs in the marquee in cork where I have no interest in the artist but I'll have a bit of craic and a few pints there and take in the atmosphere. If I arrived out there and couldn't get a few pints during the gig I'd probably leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Its not his gig to entertain himself its for the crowd to enjoy it. Festival gigs like this tend to draw in lots of people who are just out for a bit of craic and are not big fans of the artist etc. There are often free tickets floating around so people go with their maybe one or two friends who are interested. They want to have a drink and a laugh and maybe sing along to the one or two songs they know.

    I have gone to gigs in the marquee in cork where I have no interest in the artist but I'll have a bit of craic and a few pints there and take in the atmosphere. If I arrived out there and couldn't get a few pints during the gig I'd probably leave.

    Exactly. If it was an actual Damien Rice concert and nothing else then ok be a diva to his hearts content people pqid big to see him. but at an Arts Festival where people could go just to have some fun and maybe got free tickets or planned on some fun that night after days work or something he needs to get over himself demanding all eyes on me and full attention. Some people didnt give a **** about him and wanted to enjoy themselves and he starts throwing a tantrum demanding attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Its not his gig to entertain himself its for the crowd to enjoy it. Festival gigs like this tend to draw in lots of people who are just out for a bit of craic and are not big fans of the artist etc. There are often free tickets floating around so people go with their maybe one or two friends who are interested. They want to have a drink and a laugh and maybe sing along to the one or two songs they know....

    You've just described there in a paragraph the mentality that makes me, for the large part, detest Arts Festival gigs.

    I find there's a direct correlation between how much money a person doesn't pay to get in, and the amount of noise they make at the bar. And with the amount of freebie tickets floating around during the Arts festival, there can sure be a rake of noise been made from time to time.

    But please try to imagine that there are people who did pay money to see the artist, and maybe want to listen to them with a bit of respect and heed. Not as a competing, and increasingly irrelevant, soundtrack to a drink and a laugh for others - who judging by what you say don't really care who's actually playing or not. The people who care the least about the music are the one's most hurt by the closed bar. To say - "hey it's the Arts festival" is only an excuse for putting your "craic" above that of others, who genuinely want to be there more than you.

    I've been to too many gigs over the years that have been near ruined by chattering half-wits at the bar, to not find myself siding with Damien Rice here. I'm surprised that it isn't standard policy to temporarily shut the bar during certain gigs. During decibel splitting rock concerts, a bar doesn't present a problem, but if it's a guy playing an acoustic guitar, I can see the issue.

    My heart bleeds for those who were deprived from overpriced, watered down, 3/4 filled pints for an hour and a half of their lives, the pursuit of these was obviously the main purpose of their evening. If your night was ruined by this I suggest you get your head checked. Worst of all, he didn't even play both the songs that they could supposedly recognise. What a Diva.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ...Some people didnt give a **** about him and wanted to enjoy themselves and he starts throwing a tantrum demanding attention.

    Then maybe they really should go to The Roisin.


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