Waterford city boundary extension

kikel

So recently there was talk about Waterford extending its city boundary to include ferrybank and belview in South Kilkenny. In fairness I can see their point but I'm a blowin to Kilkenny so don't know what Kilkenny people think of this. So let me know your thoughts.

hi5

You can not go from being a Kilkenny person to a Waterford person overnight, it would take a lot of therapy.

road_high

hi5 wrote: »

You can not go from being a Kilkenny person to a Waterford person overnight, it would take a lot of therapy.

And a very big chip to be carved on your shoulder

kikel

Good points, but both areas Ferrybank and Bellview, would they be better represented by WCC. Do our councillors especially the city ones really care about south Kilkenny. KCC seem to have more of a focus the city region.

catbear

South Kilkenny vote Fianna Fail, waterford can have to the lot of it, Ballyhale onwards.

road_high

catbear wrote: »

South Kilkenny vote Fianna Fail, waterford can have to the lot of it, Ballyhale onwards.

That was my thinking. They elected Gombeen Bobby Alyward yet again so TBH I wouldn't have a huge issue if they were carved off to Waterford or Wexford for their voting. They tend to have more links with Waterford or New Ross for work, schools or shopping than they would with Kilkenny.
And I would have far greater links with say Carlow, Laois and even south Kildare than I would with south Kilkenny. I never go there for anything really.

mydogjack

Looking for hurlers, are they?

road_high

What I dont like is the whole anti -Kilkenny thing in waterford. I dont get it, they barely register on my radar I have to say. I never hear the place mentioned bar people going to WIT or a day at the beach. I think part of this is feeding in on that sad sentiment to garner votes. Waterford immense problems are far far deeper than changing a boundary.
I'd say South Kk people will fight this tooth and nail as any of them I've ever met are staunch Kilkenny people, much more so than I would be.

mydogjack

It's all jealousy the anti-Kilkenny thing;
1. Hurling.
2. Prosperous and beautiful city
3. Tourism numbers compared to theirs
4. They call us 'rob-a-jobs' for crossing the bridge and working in Waterford.
5. 'Taking' their women, (they still think its the Viking era)
6. Hurling
7. Hurling
8. Hurling
9. We have bigger willies
*I made up number 9

mydogjack

The funny thing is I love Waterford and like to see them do well. Neighbouring county with a beautiful coastline and nice people. The ant-kk thing is ridiculous.

catbear

road_high wrote: »

What I dont like is the whole anti -Kilkenny thing in waterford.

The problem is they're exposed to South Kilkenny and I totally share their resentment.
Maybe Wexford will them.

kikel

mydogjack wrote: »

It's all jealousy the anti-Kilkenny thing;
1. Hurling.
2. Prosperous and beautiful city
3. Tourism numbers compared to theirs
4. They call us 'rob-a-jobs' for crossing the bridge and working in Waterford.
5. 'Taking' their women, (they still think its the Viking era)
6. Hurling
7. Hurling
8. Hurling
9. We have bigger willies
*I made up number 9

Any town or city that lies on a border has that anti thing going on. It's just good old fashioned rivalry.

kikel

KKCC have released a press release.

http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/eng/Services/Planning/Planning_Publications/Waterford_City_Council_Boundary_Extension.html

road_high

catbear wrote: »

The problem is they're exposed to South Kilkenny and I totally share their resentment.
Maybe Wexford will them.

Ah they're very nice people. Hate to generalise but a lot of South Kilkenny is very rural, staunchly Roman catholic and traditional.

catbear

road_high wrote: »

Ah they're very nice people. Hate to generalise but a lot of South Kilkenny is very rural, staunchly Roman catholic and traditional.

By traditional do you mean inbred?

I swear it's the worst i've ever encountered. Their version of mixing the gene pool is marrying the cousin from across the valley rather than the once next door.

Shane07

Hopefully once and for all this issue will be sorted and common sense will prevail, Im currently living in the area of Ferrybank that is under KK council and they do not give a dam about the area, it is totally neglected of services and its upkeep leaves a lot to be desired! Waterford is developing in a unbalanced manor with most of the development taking place on the southside of the city, it needs to be counter balanced! and the best way for this to happen is if the whole area within the City Bypass in Co Kilkenny to come under Waterford City Councils rule! The building of Ferrybank shopping centre and its huge size went against all proper planning guidlines and this just shows KK council only sees the area as a rates generator in which it spends elsewhere in Co KK. Hopefully this extension goes ahead and the area can get the services it deserves!

kikel

Shane07 wrote: »

Hopefully once and for all this issue will be sorted and common sense will prevail, Im currently living in the area of Ferrybank that is under KK council and they do not give a dam about the area, it is totally neglected of services and its upkeep leaves a lot to be desired! Waterford is developing in a unbalanced manor with most of the development taking place on the southside of the city, it needs to be counter balanced! and the best way for this to happen is if the whole area within the City Bypass in Co Kilkenny to come under Waterford City Councils rule! The building of Ferrybank shopping centre and its huge size went against all proper planning guidlines and this just shows KK council only sees the area as a rates generator in which it spends elsewhere in Co KK. Hopefully this extension goes ahead and the area can get the services it deserves!

Interesting take on things, is that a general feeling diwn that way?

mydogjack

catbear wrote: »

I swear it's the worst i've ever encountered. Their version of mixing the gene pool is marrying the cousin from across the valley rather than the once next door.

Little bit harsh there, don't ya think?
Some very decent people in South KK, I reckon.

road_high

kikel wrote: »

Interesting take on things, is that a general feeling diwn that way?

I'd say from Waterford people that have moved across to Kilkenny and now want a Waterford address, yes!
If the place is as shambolic as claimed, why the pull to move there? Also, the Kilkenny "side" ironically has always been one of the more desirable parts of waterford to live in!

Captain Havoc

catbear wrote: »

By traditional do you mean inbred?

I swear it's the worst i've ever encountered. Their version of mixing the gene pool is marrying the cousin from across the valley rather than the once next door.

The line has been crossed there.

Irishlad2014

road_high wrote: »

I'd say from Waterford people that have moved across to Kilkenny and now want a Waterford address, yes!
If the place is as shambolic as claimed, why the pull to move there? Also, the Kilkenny "side" ironically has always been one of the more desirable parts of waterford to live in!

Its not really. Its just cheaper to live there as there is not much over there.

road_high

Irishlad2014 wrote: »

Its not really. Its just cheaper to live there as there is not much over there.

Have you figures to show that? Traditionally co Kilkenny has been more expensive than its neighbours for housing and rents, so I doubt it's the "chape" houses attracting people.
Waterford City houses are really cheap the odd time I looked on daft etc.

gw80

mydogjack wrote: »

It's all jealousy the anti-Kilkenny thing;
1. Hurling.
2. Prosperous and beautiful city
3. Tourism numbers compared to theirs
4. They call us 'rob-a-jobs' for crossing the bridge and working in Waterford.
5. 'Taking' their women, (they still think its the Viking era)
6. Hurling
7. Hurling
8. Hurling
9. We have bigger willies
*I made up number 9

Ah now, thats it, your Tramore pass has been revoked, you,ll have to spend the rest of the summer sun bathing on the muddy banks of the suir,(your side of coarse)especially over that willie remark:pac:

But seriously, I really dont think there is any real hatred, It seems to be mainly just banter down here on both sides,and thats mostly GAA related. I have friends over ferrybank way and in some of the newer estates, some are a mix of he,s from kilkenny and she,s from waterford,and vise versa, we are all melding into one really

kikel

gw80 wrote: »

Ah now, thats it, your Tramore pass has been revoked, you,ll have to spend the rest of the summer sun bathing on the muddy banks of the suir,(your side of coarse)especially over that willie remark:pac:

But seriously, I really dont think there is any real hatred, It seems to be mainly just banter down here on both sides,and thats mostly GAA related. I have friends over ferrybank way and in some of the newer estates, some are a mix of he,s from kilkenny and she,s from waterford,and vise versa, we are all melding into one really

If you out in Dublin/galway or somewhere far away from where you live and someone's asks where are you from? What do you reply? I'm from a place called ferrybank or Waterford?

Shane07

As posters have stated here its mostly GAA related banter ect,which should not stop the proper governing of the city,Ferrybank is growing and needs to be ruled from Waterford where it can provide the proper services as its on the citys doorstep!

wellboytoo

I'm from Waterford born and bred, my Mothers from Callan. Just so you'll know where I coming from, read this thread with interest, ye should read the equivalent thread on the Waterford forum, nowhere near as balanced or logical! weird.
I have read KK Council response linked here and am surprised with it, as they must not have read the Ministers guidelines for the 6 month study.
A killkenny man will always be that no matter what Council runs the area, my mother still Flys the black and amber every September whether anyone likes it or not, and she's 88 now.
I would imagine if it goes through and it should in my opinion, it will be to the new ring road only, a logical physical barrier that is in situ.
The most ironic thing will be if it does Waterford Council will have to deal with the giant unopened shopping Centre they objected to!

kikel

Just had a read of the Waterford thread. Here is is.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057448776/1

I think the admins should merge these threads and move it to its final resting place in the Waterford forum.

wellboytoo

kikel wrote: »

Just had a read of the Waterford thread. Here is is.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057448776/1

I think the admins should merge these threads and move it to its final resting place in the Waterford forum.

???????????? meaning you don't care one way or another?

kikel

wellboytoo wrote: »

???????????? meaning you don't care one way or another?

I was just taking the p1ss. I'm a blowin to Kilkenny so don't have any passionate feelings about keeping it. I've lived in waterford as a student and can see the logic in letting then administer the area of Ferrybank and bellview.

I think KKCC are one of the better councils in a lot of ways but when they make a bad decision they can bulldoze it through at any consequence. They definitely are city orientated.

The waterford thread seems to have a number of number of people from Ferrybank and they seem in favor of letting waterford administer the area. If it is good for the people of the area and they agree let them reap the benefits.

jelutong

What benefits would the proposed extension bestow upon the residents of South Kilkenny? I can't think of any.

wellboytoo

jelutong wrote: »

What benefits would the proposed extension bestow upon the residents of South Kilkenny? I can't think of any.

To the people within the proposed area on the ground it would be very simple things,like the road sweeper that comes around every week would not stop at an invisible point leaving litter and dirt that is never swept or picked.

Squidvicious

wellboytoo wrote: »

To the people within the proposed area on the ground it would be very simple things,like the road sweeper that comes around every week would not stop at an invisible point leaving litter and dirt that is never swept or picked.

I'm from the KK side of the boundary, but very much at risk of being Waterford if the proposal goes through. I see few benefits. People say that KCC does nothing for us in the extreme South. I think they do neither more nor less for us than they do for any other part of the county. All councils will put their more visible facilities in the larger urban areas, whether that be Waterford City or Kilkenny City. What does either council do for Mullinavat or Passage East, for example? Many people complain about their local council whether they're on the border or elsewhere.

The main change that I think we would see around Ferrybank would be a big push for more development on what is now the Kilkenny side - more houses etc. For selfish reasons, admittedly, that's not something I wish to see.

If change does come, I would also like to have some way that we could remain "Kilkenny". I do regard myself as being from County Kilkenny and don't want that to change. I accept, however, that we have to move with the times and that if there are fair, logical reasons for a change, we'll probably have to accept it.

catbear

This is madness, next thing there'll be intercounty marriages!
Someone think of the children!

wellboytoo

Squidvicious wrote: »

The main change that I think we would see around Ferrybank would be a big push for more development on what is now the Kilkenny side - more houses etc. For selfish reasons, admittedly, that's not something I wish to see.

Very little risk of that I would imagine, it is practically the only place I Waterford where there was over development during the boom and still has the bulk of the unfinished estates, again totally reckless planning for development charges without thought of the consequences.

Squidvicious

wellboytoo wrote: »

Very little risk of that I would imagine, it is practically the only place I Waterford where there was over development during the boom and still has the bulk of the unfinished estates, again totally reckless planning for development charges without thought of the consequences.

It's Co.Kilkenny I tells ya!

To be fair to KCC, everyone was saying that more housing was needed in Ferrybank and that all development shouldn't be on the Waterford side, so I don't think that they can be blamed too much for the residential development. They have also effectively dezoned a lot of land in recent years AFAIK.

The retail developments are a different story, however. If the shopping centre had opened, it would have had a detrimental effect on Waterford City and was clearly contrary to good planning as well as being far too big. It's unfortunate that development charges became such an important revenue tool for all local authorities and KCC weren't the only council to take a "child in a sweet shop" approach to planning permission at times. They simply couldn't resist the temptation of all that lovely loot that they would rake in.

wellboytoo

Squidvicious wrote: »

It's Co.Kilkenny I tells ya!

To be fair to KCC, everyone was saying that more housing was needed in Ferrybank and that all development shouldn't be on the Waterford side, so I don't think that they can be blamed too much for the residential development. They have also effectively dezoned a lot of land in recent years AFAIK.

The retail developments are a different story, however. If the shopping centre had opened, it would have had a detrimental effect on Waterford City and was clearly contrary to good planning as well as being far too big. It's unfortunate that development charges became such an important revenue tool for all local authorities and KCC weren't the only council to take a "child in a sweet shop" approach to planning permission at times. They simply couldn't resist the temptation of all that lovely loot that they would rake in.

Could not agree more , parts of the coastal areas of Wexford are totally destroyed.

hi5

Well,according to the new eircode addresses, Glenmore and Slieverue are now in Waterford..

https://finder.eircode.ie/#/map

jmcc

hi5 wrote: »

Well,according to the new eircode addresses, Glenmore and Slieverue are now in Waterford..

https://finder.eircode.ie/#/map

Welcome to X91. Have any KKers found the X91 and R95 border?

Regards...jmcc

slimjimmc

hi5 wrote: »

Well,according to the new eircode addresses, Glenmore and Slieverue are now in Waterford..

https://finder.eircode.ie/#/map

Waterford postal area, where no doubt it has been for ages. Note the postal address just says Waterford, not Co. Waterford. Same happens all over the country.
e.g Crettyard postoffice on the Laois/Kilkenny border is addressed as Crettyard, Carlow even though it's in Co. Laois, 15km from Carlow and only 7km from Castlecomer.

Cabaal

slimjimmc wrote: »

Waterford postal area, where no doubt it has been for ages. Note the postal address just says Waterford, not Co. Waterford. Same happens all over the country.
e.g Crettyard postoffice on the Laois/Kilkenny border is addressed as Crettyard, Carlow even though it's in Co. Laois, 15km from Carlow and only 7km from Castlecomer.

Doesn't the same sort of thing happen in Johnstown in Kilkenny, its addressed to Thurles?

road_high

Cabaal wrote: »

Doesn't the same sort of thing happen in Johnstown in Kilkenny, its addressed to Thurles?

Yea via Thurles I think. Same with places north of Ballyragget are via Portlaoise. Just a postal thing.

catbear

that new postal system won't work, it's too convoluted.

Area code would have sufficed but this margin for error is actually increased with this system.

Give a letter in the code but the right address, will the letter make it past the sorting machines?

mountcisco

jmcc wrote: »

Welcome to X91. Have any KKers found the X91 and R95 border?

Regards...jmcc

One place is below Ballyhale at the turn-off for Kiltorcan. Kiltorcan side of road is Castlebanny Mullinavat Waterford X91 and the other side of the road is Coolmeen Ballyhale Kilkenny R95. I know it's sad but I had a free half hour!:D
Also, Borris Co. Carlow is Borris Kilkenny.

rayc

catbear wrote: »

South Kilkenny vote Fianna Fail, waterford can have to the lot of it, Ballyhale onwards.

Andrew McGuiness

Let me just leave that there.....

For me, South Kilkenny vote locally. For the same reasons many in Ferrybank would prefer to be under WaterfordCC, i.e. no one north of Ballyhale gives a sh*t about it. As demonstrated by the opinions shown here.

wellboy76

mydogjack wrote: »

Looking for hurlers, are they?

The GAA post only came in at post no7. Surprised it took that long

road_high

Public meeting last night in Slieverue on this very issue.
http://kclr96fm.com/as-it-happened-waterford-kilkenny-boundary-review-consultation/

road_high

wellboy76 wrote: »

The GAA post only came in at post no7. Surprised it took that long

I'm sure that person was using tongue and cheek- go find a sense of humour

wellboytoo

road_high wrote: »

Public meeting last night in Slieverue on this very issue.
http://kclr96fm.com/as-it-happened-waterford-kilkenny-boundary-review-consultation/

Politicians shouting over my dead body and making promises........ now where did I hear that before?

road_high

Shane07 wrote: »

Hopefully once and for all this issue will be sorted and common sense will prevail, Im currently living in the area of Ferrybank that is under KK council and they do not give a dam about the area, it is totally neglected of services and its upkeep leaves a lot to be desired! Waterford is developing in a unbalanced manor with most of the development taking place on the southside of the city, it needs to be counter balanced! and the best way for this to happen is if the whole area within the City Bypass in Co Kilkenny to come under Waterford City Councils rule! The building of Ferrybank shopping centre and its huge size went against all proper planning guidlines and this just shows KK council only sees the area as a rates generator in which it spends elsewhere in Co KK. Hopefully this extension goes ahead and the area can get the services it deserves!

Were you from Waterford originally?

wellboytoo

road_high wrote: »

I'm sure that person was using tongue and cheek- go find a sense of humour

Ah no actually there was spit flying at a rate of knots whilst saying it

road_high

wellboytoo wrote: »

Politicians shouting over my dead body and making promises........ now where did I hear that before?

Well they were hardly going to say "no, please take away my votes to another constituency" :rolleyes:
There's something like 5000 votes involved in that part of Kilkenny so I doubt they're going to let them slide away too easily.