House of horrors

frostyjacks

There is so much wrong with this story it's hard to know where to begin.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-jailed-for-sexually-assaulting-12monthold-baby-while-her-parents-were-out-drinking-31339586.html

The leniency of the sentence (even if the final 15 months hadn't been suspended), bearing in mind he's already been convicted of sexually abusing two children under 6 and a 60 year old woman.

Parents handing their newborn baby to a ten year old and telling her to look after her.

No clean clothes, electricity or food in the house.

Parents leaving the baby in a car seat in front of the television while they go out drinking.

The mother attacking her daughter for stopping the baby from being abused.

Children not toilet trained, or know how to use cutlery or a toothbrush.

And the icing on the cake, defence counsel asks the judge to consider the "light at the end of the tunnel" principle, to allow the paedophile a chance to rehabilitate himself for eventual release.

They're already talking about his release! Madness. What chance do those children have after growing up in that environment? And how could those parents behave the way they did? At least the kids are in foster care now.

One More Toy

frostyjacks wrote: »

There is so much wrong with this story it's hard to know where to begin.


The leniency of the sentence (even if the final 15 months hadn't been suspended), bearing in mind he's already been convicted of sexually abusing two children under 6 and a 60 year old woman.

Parents handing their newborn baby to a ten year old and telling her to look after her.

No clean clothes, electricity or food in the house.

Parents leaving the baby in a car seat in front of the television while they go out drinking.

The mother attacking her daughter for stopping the baby from being abused.

Children not toilet trained, or know how to use cutlery or a toothbrush.

And the icing on the cake, defence counsel asks the judge to consider the "light at the end of the tunnel" principle, to allow the paedophile a chance to rehabilitate himself for eventual release.

They're already talking about his release! Madness. What chance do those children have after growing up in that environment? And how could those parents behave the way they did? At least the kids are in foster care now.

What about dare entitlements and dare roights??

One More Toy

Rehabilitate?? Fookin hell judge who are you kidding? There's no rehabilitation for this monster, if he did that to my children I'd kill him. No its or buts. I would do time.

gerrybbadd

This country genuinely sickens me. Talk about a lenient sentence. That guy, having had extensive prior convictions for the same, needs to be locked up full time - never mind "Treatment". The only treatment he should get is a daily beating in and around the genitals

GerB40

"Suspending 18 months of his five year sentence". Seriously fùck this country. This beast should never see the light of day again. Whether or not rehabilitation works for people like this I don't know. I don't know the stats so it's something I feel too ill informed to speak about. But this creature has proven that it doesn't work for him, that he won't change. So why the fúck is there being leniency shown to him? It's unbelievable...

blackbird98

basta*d should be locked up for life..........since we don't have capital punishment.

Zombienosh

Judges that give lenient sentences to pedophiles should automatically be investigated.

Mesrine65

Chemical castration, electronic tagging & monitoring should be employed when such a deviant is not incacerated IMHO

One More Toy

I was always anti death penalty

If there was a referendum tomorrow for reinstating it for convicted paedos I'd be first in voting yes

One More Toy

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Chemical castration, electronic tagging & monitoring should be employed when such a deviant is not incacerated IMHO

An axe is far cheaper tbh

Mesrine65

One More Toy wrote: »

An axe is far cheaper tbh

Agreed...

I'd have no problem executing a non-person such as this with a sledgehammer blow to the back of the head, a shallow grave & a bag of lye.

But then we'd have the bleeding hearts crying about his 'human rights' :rolleyes:

Perpetrate crimes of this nature, forfeit your human rights, simple as!

frostyjacks

I wonder if the social workers were held to account? I wouldn't hold my breath. Probably got a pay rise more than likely.

Penny Tration

He's a repeated abuser. There is no rehabilitating him. They already tried that and he abused a fcuking one year old when he got out.

Lock the twisted fcuking cnut up for life.

Yellowblackbird

I opened this thread thinking it was about one of the amusements at Funderland. Disappointing.

Boring username

Zombienosh wrote: »

Judges that give lenient sentences to pedophiles should automatically by investigated.

You would strongly suspect at this stage that some of those judges are part of the paedophile rings that they pass judgement upon.

elefant

Boring username wrote: »

You would strongly suspect at this stage that some of those judges are part of the paedophile rings that they pass judgement upon.

Christ.

I'm pretty disgusted about the leniency of the sentence from the facts we see about this case too, but that's going a bit far :eek:

mynamejeff

Boring username wrote: »

You would strongly suspect at this stage that some of those judges are part of the pedophile rings that they pass judgement upon.

Aye and i bet they dont have to pay water charges either :rolleyes::rolleyes:

In reality judges are afraid to impose long sentences because they will be reduced on appeal and as there are infinite appeal courts and limitless coffers to pay for free legal aid.

this seems to be this creatures 3rd offence ?? either locked up till dead or execute him to protect everyone from him , only solution

Boring username

elefant wrote: »

Christ.

I'm pretty disgusted about the leniency of the sentence from the facts we see about this case too, but that's going a bit far :eek:

mynamejeff wrote: »

Aye and i bet they dont have to pay water charges either :rolleyes::rolleyes:

In reality judges are afraid to impose long sentences because they will be reduced on appeal and as there are infinite appeal courts and limitless coffers to pay for free legal aid.

this seems to be this creatures 3rd offence ?? either locked up till dead or execute him to protect everyone from him , only solution

Like I said, I suspect. Five years ago I would have considered something like that unthinkeable, but from what we've been hearing about in the UK with major high level paedophile rings, I would keep an open mind. You would be very naive to think there aren't some elements within the judiciary that are fond of little boys.
Oh look, here's evidence of Lord Justice Fulford, who was a fundraiser for the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).

PIE wanted to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child to four years of age. Take a moment to let that sink in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576451/High-court-judge-child-sex-ring-Adviser-Queen-founder-paedophile-support-group-offenders-jail.html

mynamejeff

Boring username wrote: »

Like I said, I suspect. Five years ago I would have considered something like that unthinkeable, but from what we've been hearing about in the UK with major high level paedophile rings, I would keep an open mind. You would be very naive to think there aren't some elements within the judiciary that are fond of little boys.
Oh look, here's evidence of Lord Justice Fulford, who was a fundraiser for the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).

PIE wanted to lower the age of consent to have sex with a child to four years of age. Take a moment to let that sink in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576451/High-court-judge-child-sex-ring-Adviser-Queen-founder-paedophile-support-group-offenders-jail.html

the dailymail is not a source of information that i consider verifable

NachoBusiness

When the children’s mother returned home she beat the ten-year-old with the poker as punishment for hitting O’Brien.

Hope this bitch was locked up for assault, no matter what she did or didn't know about why the girl had hit O'Brien.

Boring username

mynamejeff wrote: »

the dailymail is not a source of information that i consider verifable

Well here then your highness.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lord-justice-fulford-campaigned-to-support-pie-paedophile-group-9179604.html

Gatling

In 2008 he gets a 12 year sentence for sexual abuse of 2 kids freed last year and now gets 5 years with 15 months suspended .

he'll be out in roughly 2 absolutely disgraceful.

Sentences should now be removed from judges disgression and mandatory sentences be imposed for child abuse and other crimes

Mesrine65

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

SEPT 23 1989

hopefully the inmates find out what this piece of sh1t is in for and deal with him accordingly

Fair play to the little girl for standing up to him. I hope they have all recovered from this ordeal.

I will refrain from commenting on the miserable excuses for humans that committed these horrendous crimes, as I'd be banned for life from Boards.

lizzyman

One More Toy wrote: »

Rehabilitate?? Fookin hell judge who are you kidding? There's no rehabilitation for this monster, if he did that to my children I'd kill him. No its or buts. I would do time.

gerrybbadd wrote: »

This country genuinely sickens me. Talk about a lenient sentence. That guy, having had extensive prior convictions for the same, needs to be locked up full time - never mind "Treatment". The only treatment he should get is a daily beating in and around the genitals

blackbird98 wrote: »

basta*d should be locked up for life..........since we don't have capital punishment.

One More Toy wrote: »

I was always anti death penalty

If there was a referendum tomorrow for reinstating it for convicted paedos I'd be first in voting yes

One More Toy wrote: »

An axe is far cheaper tbh

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Agreed...

I'd have no problem executing a non-person such as this with a sledgehammer blow to the back of the head, a shallow grave & a bag of lye.

But then we'd have the bleeding hearts crying about his 'human rights' :rolleyes:

Perpetrate crimes of this nature, forfeit your human rights, simple as!

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

He's a repeated abuser. There is no rehabilitating him. They already tried that and he abused a fcuking one year old when he got out.

Lock the twisted fcuking cnut up for life.

Let me start by saying that the sentence is far, far too lenient. It should have been a lot longer and we should have mandatory sentences as well as electronic tagging and tracking. Probably a good idea to confiscate passports also.

But some of the populist drivel above is sickening. Death penalty, axes, genital torture etc. What are we, in the middle ages?

wp_rathead

I agree with what you saying about certain irony of people baying for his torture but don't understand why you quoted the two users who said he should be locked up for life
If you look at his history of reoffending to such a dangerous degree- an "actual" life sentence isn't unwarranted. His previous convictions has not rehabilitated him

Junkyard Tom

We need a strike system for pedophiles and sex abusers so we take it out of the hands of the judiciary.

A pedophile/sex abuser who comes out of prison and picks up where he left off is nothing other than a sub-human scourge and should be permanently removed from society.

Mesrine65

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

We need a strike system for pedophiles and sex abusers so we take it out of the hands of the judiciary.

A pedophile/sex abuser who comes out of prison and picks up where he left off is nothing other than a sub-human scourge and should be permanently removed from society.

By any means :eek:

CosmicSmash

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

We need a strike system for pedophiles and sex abusers so we take it out of the hands of the judiciary.

I agree, Strike 1. 20 years minimum and physical castration. Strike 2, Death. If they have no problems destroying children's lives, they should be shown no mercy.

NachoBusiness

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

We need a strike system for pedophiles and sex abusers so we take it out of the hands of the judiciary.

A pedophile/sex abuser who comes out of prison and picks up where he left off is nothing other than a sub-human scourge and should be permanently removed from society.

I agree with a strike system of sorts, as this last sentence is a joke given he had previous.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

hopefully the inmates find out what this piece of sh1t is in for and deal with him accordingly

Where he is most presumably going, the inmates will most likely be in for similar crimes or even worse ones.

FalconGirl

Every line in that story is sickening. From the abuse right through to our justice system.

As for the perpetrator, I find nothing wrong with leaving his type out on an remote island somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic and leaving him rot. Obviously the politically correct brigade will have different opinions and believe in his rehabilitation and giving him another chance.:rolleyes:

Electric Sheep

frostyjacks wrote: »

I wonder if the social workers were held to account? I wouldn't hold my breath. Probably got a pay rise more than likely.

Indeed. And the neighbor who probably had a very good idea what was going on, at least as far as the extreme neglect is concerned. And the pub owners who sold them the drink knowing it was taking the food out of the kids' mouths, because "If I don't sell it to them, they'll just get it elsewhere".

Samaris

That's an awful story.

Although the stand-out to me out of it all was the courage and protectiveness of the older sister, brought up like that with no support and no-one to turn to, who got them all out.

Junkyard Tom

CosmicSmash wrote: »

Strike 1. 20 years minimum

I would advocate keeping it as it is for the first offence for a number of reasons. First, an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old is technically a sexual abuser. You need wiggle room to deal with the grey areas and not ruin the lives of people who don't have bad intentions.

Second, people have been wrongly imprisoned for abuse/rape - 20 years in jail would be a extremely cruel in cases of miscarriage of justice.

Thirdly, afaia people can actually be rehabilitated so they should be given a chance to prove themselves as such.

and physical castration.

Only if they volunteer otherwise it's barbaric.

Strike 2, Death.

I, like many others, are against the death penalty on any grounds.

I would say a second strike should be natural life in the slammer.

lizzyman

wp_rathead wrote: »

I agree with what you saying about certain irony of people baying for his torture but don't understand why you quoted the two users who said he should be locked up for life
If you look at his history of reoffending to such a dangerous degree- an "actual" life sentence isn't unwarranted. His previous convictions has not rehabilitated him

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and no amount of punishment is really going to act as a deterrent. The most humane thing to do is rehabilitate them as best we can in a mental health institution and monitor and trace their every move should they ever be released. If rehabilitation fails then keeping the individual in an institution for the rest of their natural life makes sense.

lizzyman

FalconGirl wrote: »

Every line in that story is sickening. From the abuse right through to our justice system.

As for the perpetrator, I find nothing wrong with leaving his type out on an remote island somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic and leaving him rot. Obviously the politically correct brigade will have different opinions and believe in his rehabilitation and giving him another chance.:rolleyes:

We don't live in Saudi Arabia. We have a western democracy and thankfully we have left this kind of knee jerk barbarity far behind

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Indeed. And the neighbor who probably had a very good idea what was going on, at least as far as the extreme neglect is concerned. And the pub owners who sold them the drink knowing it was taking the food out of the kids' mouths, because "If I don't sell it to them, they'll just get it elsewhere".

Are you just making this up as you go along?

Paramite Pie

There's no rehabilitation for someone like that. Heck, I don't even know if we even have proper rehabilitation but prisoners have to want it in the first place.

Our sentencing is a joke. The "Precedent" system doesn't work. The next time a baby rapist goes to court, the Judge has to take this and similar rulings into account; ie a judge cannot give a much stricter sentence in a similar case. It's insane.

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Chemical castration, electronic tagging & monitoring should be employed when such a deviant is not incacerated IMHO

Chemical castration is the only way.

In fact on another topic maybe all prisoners should be on those meds to reduce prison rape (which is endemic). A violent environment is not an environment to rehabilitate someone.

Penny Tration

lizzyman wrote: »

Let me start by saying that the sentence is far, far too lenient. It should have been a lot longer and we should have mandatory sentences as well as electronic tagging and tracking. Probably a good idea to confiscate passports also.

But some of the populist drivel above is sickening. Death penalty, axes, genital torture etc. What are we, in the middle ages?

Since you quoted me - I said nothing at all about death, torture, axes, etc. I disagree with all of that. I said he should be locked up for life, which he should. I said he's a sick Cnut, which he is.

Penny Tration

lizzyman wrote: »

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and no amount of punishment is really going to act as a deterrent. The most humane thing to do is rehabilitate them as best we can in a mental health institution and monitor and trace their every move should they ever be released. If rehabilitation fails then keeping the individual in an institution for the rest of their natural life makes sense.

Which is why I said he should be locked up for life. Previous rehabilitation failed. So lock him up.

Honestly, I'd be in favour of forced chemical castration. He's a repeat offender on a very short sentence. He will do it again. You can say whatever you want about it being barbaric, but if he hasn't been rehabilitated by now, then he never will.

He sexually assaulted a baby. A f*cking baby. He's lost the rights to his genitals.

One More Toy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly, I'd be in favour of forced chemical castration. He's a repeat offender on a very short sentence. He will do it again. You can say whatever you want about it being barbaric, but if he hasn't been rehabilitated by now, then he never will.

He sexually assaulted a baby. A f*cking baby. He's lost the rights to his genitals.

This X 1000

steddyeddy

One of my best friends was sexually abused. She finds it hard to trust people and although beautiful and intelligent has zero self esteem. This is a life sentence for her. People who do this to people should get the same life sentence.

What ever about the sentencing the whole story is horrific how come a paedophile was able to find and target a family that was abusive and engaged in horrific neglect, what was the role of their wider family what sort of background did the parents come from, what was the role of alcohol and drugs what was the role of the social services and so on.

Heavy drinking or drug taking and inviting people back to their home to drink or take drugs should raise a red flag even if the children are well cared for .

Electric Sheep

mariaalice wrote: »

What ever about the sentencing the whole story is horrific how come a paedophile was able to find and target a family that was abusive and engaged in horrific neglect, what was the role of their wider family what sort of background did the parents come from, what was the role of alcohol and drugs what was the role of the social services and so on.

Heavy drinking or drug taking and inviting people back to their home to drink or take drugs should raise a red flag even if the children are well cared for .

I think the role of alcohol is pretty obvious. There are probably many factors, possibly including mental illness in the parents, almost certainly including the "blind eye" on the part of family and neighbors. The deviant are generally quick to pick out the perfect victims.

I don't know why the judge did not take the predatory nature of his offence in to account he targeted a neglectful family knowing that would make it easier to find a victims.

Thresholds of intervention need to be much lower in case involving children. There is a broad spectrum of normal in parenting and once you step outside those it should be a red flag.

wp_rathead

lizzyman wrote: »

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and no amount of punishment is really going to act as a deterrent. The most humane thing to do is rehabilitate them as best we can in a mental health institution and monitor and trace their every move should they ever be released. If rehabilitation fails then keeping the individual in an institution for the rest of their natural life makes sense.

which is what blackbird98, Jenny Thalia and I recommended due to this being his 3rd offence - rehabilitation obviously not working on him

steddyeddy

Tell me this isn't his third sexual abuse offence?

Cold War Kid

lizzyman wrote: »

Let me start by saying that the sentence is far, far too lenient. It should have been a lot longer and we should have mandatory sentences as well as electronic tagging and tracking. Probably a good idea to confiscate passports also.

But some of the populist drivel above is sickening. Death penalty, axes, genital torture etc. What are we, in the middle ages?

Lots of it isn't populist IMO. I wouldn't want the state to kill him, but I wouldn't blame someone for their emotions getting the better of them if he did this to their child.
Two people you've quoted just said he should be locked up for life, which is hardly a medieval punishment. I can't see what an appropriate alternative would be.

frostyjacks

steddyeddy wrote: »

Tell me this isn't his third sexual abuse offence?

" Last month, O’Brien was released from a twelve year sentence imposed in 2008 for the sexual abuse of two children who were under the age of six. In 1993 he was jailed for four years for the aggravated sexual assault of a 60 year old woman during a burglary of her home."

So he got early release last month from the 12 year sentence for sexually abusing two children. Surely he should go back and serve that out on top of this new sentence? God knows how many other convictions he has, or what he's got away with that we don't know about.

And how could he get early release if he had this case hanging over him? Has he been free to walk the streets this last month?

steddyeddy

The judge who gave him these sentences bears some responsibility for what happened to these kids. Beyond doubt.