Buyer beware, cut and shut.

ShaunieVW

This is my old e39, I was a great car when I had it besides eating rear tyres because it was low and I was none the wiser to its actual condition. However, when I sold it the new owner had it sent in to repair a bit of damage on the sill. As part of the repair works they inspected the car and from just behind the rear seats on is a different car cut half way up the C pillars and all across the floor. Its being sold on since by the looks of it as the guy I sold it to was from Dublin.

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-e39-530d-manual/9671874

01oy2584
01-oy-2584

Youngblood.III

ShaunieVW wrote: »

This is my old e39, I was a great car when I had it besides eating rear tyres because it was low and I was none the wiser to its actual condition. However, when I sold it the new owner had it sent in to repair a bit of damage on the sill. As part of the repair works they inspected the car and from just behind the rear seats on is a different car cut half way up the C pillars and all across the floor. Its being sold on since by the looks of it as the guy I sold it to was from Dublin.

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-e39-530d-manual/9671874

Surely that would have shown up on an nct?

ShaunieVW

Would have thought so but no, apparently the bodywork guy said it was like that for at least 10 years and this was back in 2013 so would have been pretty new when some dodgy chap got a hold of the car/both cars :pac:.

Special Circumstances

2.0 on de book tho

ShaunieVW

Sure was, I wouldnt chance it again but never had an issue, Also its mapped to 220bhp, torque was insane. Im glad I sold it as it brought out the arsehole drift at a roundabout driver in me!

Pov06

ShaunieVW wrote: »

Sure was, I wouldnt chance it again but never had an issue, Also its mapped to 220bhp, torque was insane. Im glad I sold it as it brought out the arsehole drift at a roundabout driver in me!

Are ye TDI spec now hai?

ShaunieVW

No, Back to petrol, diesel is awful stuff. And no Im not a 'felter :P, Just a phase of getting things as low as possible, it makes zero sense now in hindsight :pac:

Pov06

Ah it was a decent looking E39 though. I was looking at the ad yesterday. I wouldn't mind one but paying tax for a 3 litre as a student is just suicidal.

ShaunieVW

plenty of "tax adjusted" ones out there.

It wasnt bad looking Ill have a properly set up e39 530i someday.

Heres a couple of pics when I had it



It was practical too with a clip on tow bar!

Have you dropped the seller an email or text? He might well be unaware?
Was it a cut and shut or 2 new quarter panels & a boot floor? I've seen a properly repaired car wrongly tagged as a cut and shut once in a pre purchase inspection, a top class insurance approved body shop had done the work.

johndaman66

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Surely that would have shown up on an nct?

nct? - haha they'd fail you on an absolutely ridiculous non safety issue. Yet they'd pass a downright dangerous car....awaiting the highhorse brigade.

Pov06

ShaunieVW wrote: »

plenty of "tax adjusted" ones out there.

What's the point... Plenty of stories out there of BMW owners getting caught out and having to pay the difference they saved

dgt

2nd half of the reg is the same as my old E39

99d2584

ShaunieVW

No it's a different boot and all, from what I heard the work was good for what it was. Maybe I should send a text. I know if I knew of it in my ownership I would have parked it up and stripped it for parts. Lord knows what would happen in the event of an accident.

Going back to the dodgy tax. I'd never do it again tbh not worth the savings but I had been through checkpoints with no issue and it was insured as a 3 litre. The title remained 530d just engine size was different.

dastardly00

ShaunieVW wrote: »

This is my old e39, I was a great car when I had it besides eating rear tyres because it was low and I was none the wiser to its actual condition. However, when I sold it the new owner had it sent in to repair a bit of damage on the sill. As part of the repair works they inspected the car and from just behind the rear seats on is a different car cut half way up the C pillars and all across the floor. Its being sold on since by the looks of it as the guy I sold it to was from Dublin.

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-e39-530d-manual/9671874

01oy2584
01-oy-2584

When the guy who bought it off you found out the history of the car(s), did he want his money back??

ShaunieVW

He did, but it was already gone as I was laid up for 3 months with an injury so couldnt work. What could I do? refund and then chase the previous owner for the cash? Anyway, he ended up throwing loads of money getting it sorted suspension wise, interior, wheels and m sport bits and had it quite a while so he seemed happy enough then. I had sold it needing a lot of attention as I hadn't done work that was needed due to my injury so it was sold cheap.

Youngblood.III

I hope he knows he's willingly selling a dangerous car, he can be charged for that.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I hope he knows he's willingly selling a dangerous car, he can be charged for that.

But does he know?

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

But does he know?

OP said he does.

RecordStraight

ShaunieVW wrote: »

Would have thought so but no, apparently the bodywork guy said it was like that for at least 10 years and this was back in 2013 so would have been pretty new when some dodgy chap got a hold of the car/both cars :pac:.

Makes sense, as it wouldn't be worth the cost of doing a cut and shut on an older car.

dastardly00

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I hope he knows he's willingly selling a dangerous car, he can be charged for that.

mickdw wrote: »

But does he know?

Youngblood.III wrote: »

OP said he does.

The OP reckons the guy who is selling it now is different to the guy he sold it to.

Youngblood.III

dastardly00 wrote: »

The OP reckons the guy who is selling it now is different to the guy he sold it to.

OP said the guy he sold it to came back to him looking for money after he found out, so this guy is knowingly selling/ sold it on, if it is in a crash and found out, anyone who knew it was a "cut and shut" is guilty.

guil

Youngblood.III wrote: »

OP said the guy he sold it to came back to him looking for money after he found out, so this guy is knowingly selling/ sold it on, if it is in a crash and found out, anyone who knew it was a "cut and shut" is guilty.

Read the op again. He clearly says he thinks the buyer has since sold it so this is another owner.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

OP said the guy he sold it to came back to him looking for money after he found out, so this guy is knowingly selling/ sold it on, if it is in a crash and found out, anyone who knew it was a "cut and shut" is guilty.

But it has been resold so this current seller may not know. You are making a dangerous assumption as we have no idea how many owners there had been since the op sold it.

Youngblood.III

guil wrote: »

Read the op again. He clearly says he thinks the buyer has since sold it so this is another owner.

I don't need to read it again. I'm just stating that anyone who sold this car, knowing it was a "cut and shut" can be prosecuted.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I don't need to read it again. I'm just stating that anyone who sold this car, knowing it was a "cut and shut" can be prosecuted.

So what you are saying is you won't admit that you were wrong having accused this seller of being a fraud without knowing any or all of the facts.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

You are making a dangerous assumption

Not really, you appear to have difficulty in understanding what a "fact" is.

Fact; knowingly selling a defective vehicle is illegal. It would be an easy task for the Gardai to investigate and find out who knew.

Sure... this thread alone has enough details and it's public.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

So what you are saying is you won't admit that you were wrong having accused this seller of being a fraud without knowing any or all of the facts.

Ha ha....go back to lawyer school.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Not really, you appear to have difficulty in understanding what a "fact" is.

Fact; knowingly selling a defective vehicle is illegal. It would be an easy task for the Gardai to investigate and find out who knew.

Sure... this thread alone has enough details and it's public.

There is still nothing to say that the current seller has any knowledge of the car being a cut and shut. That is what is called a relevant fact.
We can throw facts around all day but if they have no relevance to the point, they only make people look silly.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

There is still nothing to say that the current seller has any knowledge of the car being a cut and shut. That is what is called a relevant fact.
We can throw facts around all day but if they have no relevance to the point, they only make people look silly.

Have it whatever way you want, mickdw.
I won't be wasting anymore time on this.
;-)

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Have it whatever way you want, mickdw.
I won't be wasting anymore time on this.
;-)

No skin off my nose.

mgbgt1978

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I hope he knows he's willingly selling a dangerous car, he can be charged for that.

...only in your opinion. It's been through quite a few NCT's since it was repaired.
You have absolutely no idea of the quality of the repair work, but yet you are sure this is a 'dangerous car'.
Without an Engineer's report on this particular vehicle nobody here has any idea how safe (or not) this car is.

I'm not saying it has been repaired properly, simply stating that the condition of the car is currently an 'unknown quantity'.

barneygumble99

If the car has a suitably qualified engineers report, it's perfectly safe to drive.

ShaunieVW

Yeah from what I was told I doubt it has that, explains why the airbag light was always on I suppose lol!

Youngblood.III

"Without an Engineer's report on this particular vehicle nobody here has any idea how safe (or not) this car is"

You see by actually reading the posts here, I have made a educated guess that the car is unsafe.
1. OP didn't know it was a cut and shut; someone went to a lot of work to hide this, missed on numerous nct's
2. OP has never mentioned an engineers report, if the car was legit it would have a report with the car paperwork and the would have been mentioned here.
3. The next two owners were quick to sell it on, why..because they know it's bad car.
4. No one appears to be "honest" about its history when selling it.
5. "Without an Engineer's report who can say the car is unsafe" I'll put money on on this...a car without a report IS unsafe.

As far as I'm aware in Ireland you cannot weld two different cars together, in the UK maybe, as there are classes of repairable crashed cars.

genericguy

johndaman66 wrote: »

nct? - haha they'd fail you on an absolutely ridiculous non safety issue. Yet they'd pass a downright dangerous car....awaiting the highhorse brigade.

They failed me 2 weeks ago because the fully-functional rear middle seatbelt clip was pressed between the seats. And this is on the road..

Youngblood.III

genericguy wrote: »

They failed me 2 weeks ago because the fully-functional rear middle seatbelt clip was pressed between the seats. And this is on the road..

Is a money gathering channel for the government.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

"Without an Engineer's report on this particular vehicle nobody here has any idea how safe (or not) this car is"

You see by actually reading the posts here, I have made a educated guess that the car is unsafe.
1. OP didn't know it was a cut and shut; someone went to a lot of work to hide this, missed on numerous nct's
2. OP has never mentioned an engineers report, if the car was legit it would have a report with the car paperwork and the would have been mentioned here.
3. The next two owners were quick to sell it on, why..because they know it's bad car.
4. No one appears to be "honest" about its history when selling it.
5. "Without an Engineer's report who can say the car is unsafe" I'll put money on on this...a car without a report IS unsafe.

As far as I'm aware in Ireland you cannot weld two different cars together, in the UK maybe, as there are classes of repairable crashed cars.

Your are contradicting yourself here. You seemed adamant earlier in thread that the current seller knows about the issue and is fraudulently selling a defective car. Now you agree that op here didn't know because it was well hidden and even nct people missed it.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

Your are contradicting yourself here. You seemed adamant earlier in thread that the current seller knows about the issue and is fraudulently selling a defective car. Now you agree that op here didn't know because it was well hidden and even nct people missed it.

Go away...you're making annoying noises again.

BreadnBuddha

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Go away...you're making annoying noises again.

Because he's right, and won't agree with you?

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Go away...you're making annoying noises again.

That really put me in my place.
I should never have questioned your incoherent ramblings.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

That really put me in my place.
I should never have questioned you

Fixed that for you ;-)

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Fixed that for you ;-)

Tells me all I needed to know really.

mgbgt1978

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I hope he knows he's willingly selling a dangerous car, he can be charged for that.

Youngblood.III wrote: »

"Without an Engineer's report on this particular vehicle nobody here has any idea how safe (or not) this car is"

You see by actually reading the posts here, I have made a educated guess that the car is unsafe.

As far as I'm aware in Ireland you cannot weld two different cars together, in the UK maybe, as there are classes of repairable crashed cars.

Gone from "knows" to "a guess" to "as far as I'm aware".
...all concerning a car that well may not be a 'cut and shut', simply a well repaired crash damaged car.
With regard to your post:
1.It has not been decided if this was a 'cut-and-shut'. And obviously if it was it would be as well hidden as possible.
2,If the car was never declared as a 'write-off' there would be no need for an engineer's report.
3. The next two owners may not have liked the car. you cannot just make an assumption there.
4. Who is ????
5. "A car without a report is unsafe"....if it then gets examined and is deemed safe, what has physically changed ?

Your posts so far would indicate your knowledge of crash repair is fairly minimal.....at best.


But, keep going. It can only get more entertaining.;)

Youngblood.III

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Gone from "knows" to "a guess" to "as far as I'm aware".
...all concerning a car that well may not be a 'cut and shut', simply a well repaired crash damaged car.
With regard to your post:
1.It has not been decided if this was a 'cut-and-shut'. And obviously if it was it would be as well hidden as possible.
2,If the car was never declared as a 'write-off' there would be no need for an engineer's report.
3. The next two owners may not have liked the car. you cannot just make an assumption there.
4. Who is ????
5. "A car without a report is unsafe"....if it then gets examined and is deemed safe, what has physically changed ?

Your posts so far would indicate your knowledge of crash repair is fairly minimal.....at best.


But, keep going. It can only get more entertaining.;)

More foolish comments by fools defending a dangerous car...makes me wonder what you guys get up to!!!

I find it amazing that there are people trying to defend a dangerous vehicle...not one has come up with a sensible comment on why this car is safe yet

JBokeh

Did those models crack the boot floor like the 3 series did after a bit of clutch kicking? Whoever repaired it could have just gone to town with the welder and plated all along the seams at the back, up and around the tunnel, across just behind the rear doors, and not just in the usual places where the subframe meets the floor.

I can't see a car taking a hit hard enough to the back end that the whole rear of the car could be replaced and then tell tale things like the roof skin and shut lines being at least a small bit out

mgbgt1978

Youngblood.III wrote: »

More foolish comments by fools defending a dangerous car...makes me wonder what you guys get up to!!!

I find it amazing that there are people trying to defend a dangerous vehicle...not one has come up with a sensible comment on why this car is safe yet

Why change your comment from "more noise" to this ^^^^ ?

How do you know this particular car is 'Dangerous' ? Have you had it inspected by an Engineer ?
If not, then you know as much as anybody else about it....

I'm out now BTW, I gave up arguing with blinkered idiots a long time ago. See ya.

Youngblood.III

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Why change your comment from "more noise" to this ^^^^ ?

How do you know this particular car is 'Dangerous' ? Have you had it inspected by an Engineer ?
If not, then you know as much as anybody else about it....

I'm out now BTW, I gave up arguing with blinkered idiots a long time ago. See ya.

Ha ha, can't stand the heat. You're the fool defending a dangerous car.
Is changing a post illegal?...no... nit picking will never win a dedate.
Run along now...

mgbgt1978

What age are you ????
Does your Mammy even know you're on the Internet ? :rolleyes:



...you do know there's no need to quote a complete post if your reply is the next post.

Youngblood.III

Anyway back to a debate about the car...

mickdw

ok,
so what is you opinion today? Is it an obvious cut and shut that the current seller would be blind not to see
or
Is it a well hidden repair that even NCT people have missed on more than one occasion possibly.