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lakill Farm

there is a suspected case of BSE in co louth

5 year old dairy cow

MickeyShtyles

lakill Farm wrote: »

there is a suspected case of BSE in co louth

5 year old dairy cow

Seen that there!!

Milked out

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0611/707422-bse-farm-louth/

RightTurnClyde

Newstalk is saying it has been confirmed positive. Not good news at all
Edit: sorry misheard, confirmed suspected case

merryberry

lakill Farm wrote: »

there is a suspected case of BSE in co louth

5 year old dairy cow

Not good if this is confirmed. We only recently regained a foothold in the US market on the back of the impeccable health status of our herd. U can tear up FH2020 and bin AFS2025 if this is the case...

Bummer1234

Not good at all

chocksaway

hopefully it's just a sporadic case.. CJD can have a sporadic occurrence where out of the blue 1 in 1 million people can get it.

Kovu

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Newstalk is saying it has been confirmed positive. Not good news at all

Hmmmm, someone's telling porkies then!

Tests are currently taking place and the results will be available in one week.

WheatenBriar

That's us locked out of markets and the price of cattle through the floor again if true
Goodbye USA market,goodbye China and several more in one foul swoop
You won't be able to give cull cows away
Anyone smell a conspiracy?

RightTurnClyde

Kovu wrote: »

Hmmmm, someone's telling porkies then!

Kovu, edited above, misheard headlines

WheatenBriar

On RTE news just now,it was a dead cow presented to a knackery :eek: and they expect it to be positive

mahoney_j

For fook sake calm it down everyone ,as of now it is a SUSPECTED case.theres a good chance it could be clear.

lakill Farm

mahoney_j wrote: »

For fook sake calm it down everyone ,as of now it is a SUSPECTED case.theres a good chance it could be clear.

I agree. the industry pulled through this before and F&M.

listening to today fm and they don't think china or US will pull the beef agreements yet

ganmo

mahoney_j wrote: »

For fook sake calm it down everyone ,as of now it is a SUSPECTED case.theres a good chance it could be clear.

The department has said that it expects the case to be confirmed as a "classical case of BSE".

Reading that, i'd be putting a bet on it being positive

onyerbikepat

"A CASE of suspected BSE"
from;
http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/suspected-case-of-bse-mad-cow-disease-in-co-louth-31294922.html

Don't you love the way they have CASE in capital letters rather than the 'suspected'.

hdowney

Scaremongering rags as usual. Could end up being clear. That will be a footnote buried on the page no doubt.

lakill Farm

" Rare breed dairy cow"

what is a rare breed dairy cow?

Willfarman

It's going to be found positive. It probably already has. It wouldn't have got to the media if not. Super shiny siomon won't worth a fup to talk us out of this.

dandyelevan

Or the aul cow could have just been dizzy from being whizzed back and forth across the border fifty times a week.

But seriously, a disaster for the beef trade, and our hard-working farming community if the tests prove positive.
And just when we re-entered the American/Chinese Beef Markets again.
The timing smells, just a bit.

Deepsouthwest

What's with all the media hype about a "suspected" case, at least wait for the results. Anywhere else something like this would be "managed" with a proper PR release, but in this country hysteria already. Pisses me right off

_Brian

Surely even if it is positive its not an outbreak as such... This has to be some sort of naturally occurring thing that happens in every 0.000x% of bovine animals..
A case on one farm is vary different to an outbreak..

Bad news.... yes
Is the sky falling down.... not yet !

Greengrass1

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

What's with all the media hype about a "suspected" case, at least wait for the results. Anywhere else something like this would be "managed" with a proper PR release, but in this country hysteria already. Pisses me right off

And then they say first case since 2013. 2013s one wasn't made a whole deal of

CloughCasey1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

And then they say first case since 2013. 2013s one wasn't made a whole deal of

George fn Lee wasn't around to spread doom and gloom as he is now. If he joined met eireann it wouldn't stop pissing rain.

lucernarian

I read on one of the news site that a "second test" was needed to confirm it but that the result isn't expected to change. So it seems like they have done the gold standard test for it and are doing a duplicate test to be sure.

Does anyone have an idea of where in Louth the farm was?

kowtow

lakill Farm wrote: »

" Rare breed dairy cow"

what is a rare breed dairy cow?

I can think of at least one family with a well known Montbeliarde herd in Louth, hope to God it wasn't them... dealt a hard enough hand already.

This makes no sense. The cow is far too young.

Two possibilities; its a spontaneous case, not 'classical BSE'. This will take weeks to confirm, maybe many months. The other possibility is that they have been using very old feed, but that also is wonky.

In any event even if it was classical BSE, it should be just a scientific curiousity.


Edit: rare breed? could it be imported?

dandyelevan

dandyelevan wrote: »

But seriously, a disaster for the beef trade, and our hard-working farming community if the tests prove positive.
And just when we re-entered the American/Chinese Beef Markets again.
The timing smells, just a bit.

I don't believe that.. Chinese and US markets sound good for political soundbites but they have no meaningful impact on markets.

Grueller

We got our herd cleared with this a number of years back. I really feel for the family involved because it is not like a tb reactor. The department will be coming at them from al angles and it all happens very quickly.

Hopefully it is an isolated case. They will know soon enough as the herd will be slaughtered in its entirety and all tested. If any morw show up then we will all have a problem, but not really until then.

whelan2

kowtow wrote: »

I can think of at least one family with a well known Montbeliarde herd in Louth, hope to God it wasn't them... dealt a hard enough hand already.

im assuming by rare dairy breed they mean rotbundt or mo, good few herds have rotbundts around here

kay 9

Why is this disease more associated with dairy breeds/herds than beef? Just curious. Typical, when prices pick up something sinister arises

whelan2

kay 9 wrote: »

Why is this disease more associated with dairy breeds/herds than beef? Just curious. Typical, when prices pick up something sinister arises

they live longer than beef breeds, as in most beef cattle are killed at 2 yo

Farmer Pudsey

A lot of you are panicing. First off this shows the realibility of our testing procedures. I be interested in what they mean by rare dairy breed. Could this be a Kerry, Dexter or somthing similar. If it was a lesser used breed like rotbundt I suspect that they would have used a different adjective to rare.

Media hyping it is stupid but the worst that could have happened is that we hid it and it came out 6-8 months down the line. If it was a rare breed like dexter or Kerry was it on a mixed farm with sheep and had contact with a dead sheep. Sheep is where this disease orginally came from.

Capercaillie

Doesn't help that DAFM stopped regular BSE testing on cattle in the factory around 2 years ago.

Farmer Pudsey

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Media hyping it is stupid but the worst that could have happened is that we hid it and it came out 6-8 months down the line. If it was a rare breed like dexter or Kerry was it on a mixed farm with sheep and had contact with a dead sheep. Sheep is where this disease orginally came from.

Agree its only media hyping and scaremongering.
Sheep have nothing to do with spread to cattle. There was speculation at one stage that BSE was a mutated form of scrapie, the mutation happening extremely rarely, maybe just once ever.... but it also seems that it can arise spontaneously in cattle, also extremely rarely and also caused by a mutation.
The important thing is that the industry is now organised in a way that any further onward spread cant happen.

Capercaillie

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

A lot of you are panicing. First off this shows the realibility of our testing procedures. I be interested in what they mean by rare dairy breed. Could this be a Kerry, Dexter or somthing similar. If it was a lesser used breed like rotbundt I suspect that they would have used a different adjective to rare.

Media hyping it is stupid but the worst that could have happened is that we hid it and it came out 6-8 months down the line. If it was a rare breed like dexter or Kerry was it on a mixed farm with sheep and had contact with a dead sheep. Sheep is where this disease orginally came from.

They would have to eat the sheep (brain, spinal cord) to get the BSE though.

blue5000

I feel sorry for the farm and family involved, lots of questions to be answered. If it's a 5 yr old cow there's a few calves to be followed up too. Bit suspicious about it coming out now with beef prices being so good. 'Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.' It's going to be a long week until results are confirmed.

LivInt20

Settle down people.

All this means is that our new status gained last week is lost and we have the same status we had seven days ago.

No need for ott reaction.

frazzledhome

LivInt20 wrote: »

Settle down people.

All this means is that our new status gained last week is lost and we have the same status we had seven days ago.

No need for ott reaction.

The positive in this if confirmed is that our testing is robust. This needs to be the official line in order to reassure the consumers

Get out the bad news and draw a line then concentrate on the positives ie robust testing and traceability.

Capercaillie

frazzledhome wrote: »

The positive in this if confirmed is that our testing is robust. This needs to be the official line in order to reassure the consumers

Get out the bad news and draw a line then concentrate on the positives ie robust testing and traceability.

They have stopped regular testing. Only casualty animals in factory are tested regulary now in factory. The vast majority of animals untested so an animal without clinical signs could enter food chain.

frazzledhome

Capercaillie wrote: »

They have stopped regular testing. Only casualty animals in factory are tested regulary now in factory. The vast majority of animals untested so an animal without clinical signs could enter food chain.

Didn't realise that. I thought all slaughtered animals were tested

RobertKK

It is a bought in animal, according to the news.

Also Enda Kenny called BSE a 'virus'. Be nice if someone with authority spoke with facts rather than making it up on the spot. It is caused by a prion, not a virus.

Didn't know we were clear since 2013, presumed there were still cases.

Kovu

It's a Rotbunt animal and interestingly enough ''The cow was part of a herd that had BSE back in the early 2000s.''

Capercaillie wrote: »

They have stopped regular testing. Only casualty animals in factory are tested regulary now in factory. The vast majority of animals untested so an animal without clinical signs could enter food chain.

Most animals are checked anti-mortem afaik, Greysides can confirm/deny that I'm sure.

Voodoo_rasher

the Foot & MOuth started in Louth (Cooley Peninsula) this is the same. And an animal bought in that occasion also /

Meat and bonemeal was not heated to optimal temps in Britain early 80s ( makers/renderers being stingy with fuels?). Hard times means this filth is not adequately heated today?

Kovu

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

the Foot & MOuth started in Louth (Cooley Peninsula) this is the same. And an animal bought in that occasion also /

Meat and bonemeal was not heated to optimal temps in Britain early 80s ( makers/renderers being stingy with fuels?). Hard times means this filth is not adequately heated today?

It's no longer permitted as animal feed in Ireland.

onyerbikepat

And no mention on the front page of the Journal. Good timing or what!

Buford T. Justice XIX

RobertKK wrote: »

It is a bought in animal, according to the news.

Also Enda Kenny called BSE a 'virus'. Be nice if someone with authority spoke with facts rather than making it up on the spot. It is caused by a prion, not a virus.

Didn't know we were clear since 2013, presumed there were still cases.

The fact it was bought in, from abroad I presume, would explain the haste in getting the news out.

Crisis averted thankfully.

tanko

Those clowns in RTE are making some fuss about it. Anyone would think there is thousands of cases discovered.
They won't have to talk about the governments dirty deals with corrupt businessmen for a few days. Very convenient for them.

tabby aspreme

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If it was a rare breed like dexter or Kerry was it on a mixed farm with sheep and had contact with a dead sheep. Sheep is where this disease orginally came from.

Can you elaborate on this please, I thought that despite having spent millions trying to prove that bse has a direct link to scrapie no solid evidence could be found . Scrapie has been around for 250 years and no human has been infected by it .

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The fact it was bought in, from abroad I presume, would explain the haste in getting the news out.

Crisis averted thankfully.

i dont know if it was bought in from abroad-hope it was- there would be a few rotbundt cattle in this area.

mf240

Slow news day .

This was a fallen animal that was never going to enter the food chain. Should be made clearer in reports.


Its only suspected at this stage so why is it all over the media before its confirmed.

mf240

tanko wrote: »

Those clowns in RTE are making some fuss about it. Anyone would think there is thousands of cases discovered.
They won't have to talk about the governments dirty deals with corrupt businessmen for a few days. Very convenient for them.

Hopefully one of the british royal family will expose themselves or the kardashians cat will get run over and take this story out of the news.