'Dear Iggy Azalea, Can You Not?' (Huffington Post article)

kneemos

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

I'd ride her like Tony Mc Coy

Steady harry.The nights young.

whupdedo

whupdedo wrote: »

Now candie , that is a load of ****e of the highest order, what would you say about a black person trying to break into the operatic or classical music genres , I've no doubt that you'd label people racist if they said it was exclusively for white Austrian/german males and commend black person for trying to better themselves

Thats not true. Azalea isn't being herself and engaging with black culture, she's claiming it as her own.

If a black person entered a career in classical music (and many, many do), they're not pretending to be something else, they're simply a black musician. Not that I see classical music as being solely 'white'.

Racism is a word thrown around and I don't think she's being racist. I think she's being tasteless and crass, and I'm not surprised some are offended. I'm personally not offended since it doesn't affect me.

If English people affected Irish accents and appropriated Irish culture as their own, plenty on here would be asking what that's all about.

So you should have doubts.

Sand

Candie wrote: »

Thats not true. Azalea isn't being herself and engaging with black culture, she's claiming it as her own.

If a black person entered a career in classical music (and many, many do), they're not pretending to be something else, they're simply a black musician. Not that I see classical music as being solely 'white'.

Is she actually claiming to be a black woman from the southern US? That would be disturbing if thats on record.

Classical music fans have certain expectations of the music and the culture of the music. People conform to them regardless of where they are from if they want to be successful. Nobody mistakes conforming to those expectations as pretending to be German.

Pop music fans have certain expectations of the music and the culture of the music. People conform to them regardless of where are from (including black people from the southern US) if they want to be successful. Dont hate the player, hate the game as a wise man said.

MathDebater

Candie wrote: »

Thats not true. Azalea isn't being herself and engaging with black culture, she's claiming it as her own.

If a black person entered a career in classical music (and many, many do), they're not pretending to be something else, they're simply a black musician. Not that I see classical music as being solely 'white'.

So rap is the sole of ownership of black people and part of 'black culture' but classical music which originated in Europe is nothing to do with being white or 'white culture'. Rightio. That's some set of double standards. You could at least try and stay consistent. You're all over the shop.

kneemos

Candie wrote: »

Thats not true. Azalea isn't being herself and engaging with black culture, she's claiming it as her own.

If a black person entered a career in classical music (and many, many do), they're not pretending to be something else, they're simply a black musician. Not that I see classical music as being solely 'white'.

Racism is a word thrown around and I don't think she's being racist. I think she's being tasteless and crass, and I'm not surprised some are offended. I'm personally not offended since it doesn't affect me.

If English people affected Irish accents and appropriated Irish culture as their own, plenty on here would be asking what that's all about.

So you should have doubts.

Rap music has a style,it's in the form of black Americans.
She's not copying black Americans she's copying the style of music.

MathDebater

Killer Wench wrote: »

She's appropriating an ethnic identity

Fcuking hell. She's putting on an accent to crack the American market. Simple as that. If we start playing the don't 'appropriate' others cultures game and let if follow it's logical course then it will not work out well for anyone. Least of all black Americans.

MathDebater

Candie wrote: »

If English people affected Irish accents and appropriated Irish culture as their own, plenty on here would be asking what that's all about.

Half the fcuking world 'appropriates' aspects of Irish culture on an annual basis and nobody gives a damn.

kneemos

MathDebater wrote: »

Half the fcuking world 'appropriates' aspects of Irish culture on an annual basis and nobody gives a damn.

The Celts brought Irish music to Ireland and Irish music is a big part of Cajun music,this is how it works and develops.
If nobody copied anybody we'd have an extremely limited variety of music.

MathDebater

Without 'cultural appropriation' and exchange the whole industry and medium would stagnate.

Niemoj

/yawn

MakeEmLaugh

Candie wrote: »

If English people affected Irish accents and appropriated Irish culture as their own, plenty on here would be asking what that's all about.

Strangely, when The Pogues appeared on The BP Fallon Orchestra on RTÉ Radio 2 on 21st September 1985, their Irishness was called into question. Noel Hill, the Irish concertina, said they were performing "a terrible abortion" of Irish music.

Cait O'Riordian, the bassist for the group at the time, said

“We had to think that we weren’t Irish, we were London-Irish, so why should some Irish guy [such as Noel Hill] be any more receptive to us than some English person? It was so far beyond anything he could grasp. It was new. And why would he know what it felt like to be London-Irish?”

beks101

She's bloody annoying is what she is. I've heard the name and the songs ...'songs'... on the radio but hadn't put two and two together that it was her.
Shut up. SHADDDAP. Christ when did this qualify as music. It's noise with naked people and lots of swearing. I feel so old.

Ranchu

Candie wrote: »

Exactly She's using black culture as a prop to drape herself in. It's cheap and diminishing, since it's not something she has any ownership or real experience of.

This has been going on since the dawn of pop music, literally. Have a listen to Jerry Lee Lewis or there's another lad called Elvis you might have heard of.

whupdedo

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

I'd ride her like Tony Mc Coy

Did tony mccoy ride her ,jesus he'd get up on anything with a big nose

jank

More racist nonsense (yes that is what it is) from the Huffpost.

Nodin

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

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“You are not only disrespecting the culture of the black American South. You are also accessorizing yourself with it for profit. ...............

I think its silicone she has in her ass, not the black American south.

Plryty

This news article falls under a topic on white rappers that gained some traction around 18 months back when Lord Jamar, a rapper from the famous hip-hop group Brand Nubian made some poorly expressed comments on white rappers in hip hop music for VladTV (see youtube).

A number of rappers got involved with VladTV giving their opinions & arguments from their perspective in hip-hop culture. They're well worth checking out.

As for cultural appropriation in rap music, it's a common criticism thrown at rappers who try to act like they're from another area by altering their accent or use of different vernacular speech patterns. There is a marked difference in irish rap (eg messiah J) to aussie rap (eg Hilltop Hoods) to New York (Nas) to southern american (Outkast). Or if you want to use female rappers compare Missy Elliott to Queen Latifah. Iggy, sounds like no other australlian rapper & thus is getting called out on acting like something she is not.

floggg

DareGod wrote: »

It's bullying (i.e. Iggy Azalea is being bullied) and I'll tell you why. There are hundreds / thousands of white pop acts who have been using elements of black culture in their performances since forever. People are now picking on Iggy Azalea for some reason, when there are an endless amount of others who have been doing it for years. I hate seeing someone being ganged-up on, whether they are famous or not, and I find it disgusting, weak and pathetic. She's an easy target because one person decided to pick her up on it and now everyone's doing it. Beyond pathetic. It reminds me of school where the weakest person was picked on and then all the pathetic bully sheep started picking on them too, because they were an easy target and everyone else was doing it.

Snoop Dogg is a perfect example of a hypocrite regarding this. He posted juvenile video messages on Instagram being nasty towards Iggy, for "trying to be black." Then, in the Roast of Justin Bieber, he tells Justin Bieber "Justin, you want to be black and I want to tell you that we accept you as one of us."

It's bandwagon bullying idiots just being moronic dumb c**ts, basically.

I think it's really mainly down to the fake southern drawl she puts on when rapping. She's australian - why is she trying to sound like she's from Atlanta?

VinLieger

floggg wrote: »

I think it's really mainly down to the fake southern drawl she puts on when rapping. She's australian - why is she trying to sound like she's from Atlanta?

Cus it helps make her money? If people are offended that have that incredible freedom that seems to be forgotten when things like this happen to you know just not buy her songs or listen to her music

PARlance

I'm just glad no one has mentioned my hero, Nathan Carter, yet. Contrary to popular belief, he isn't related to the Carters of Brooklyn, the Jay Z Carters, however the Donegal Scouse has somehow managed to develop an American accent when belting out his hits.
Speaking of Scouse, The Beetles also covered up their accents when singing.
It's takes a true great like Ronan Keating to belt out a tune without covering it up.

floggg

floggg wrote: »

I think it's really mainly down to the fake southern drawl she puts on when rapping. She's australian - why is she trying to sound like she's from Atlanta?

I genuinely don't know who this is but if this is the problem then Mick Jagger beat her to the punch decades ago. There are some songs, some styles of music which would simply sound stupid in the singers native accent.

Hip hop "crossed over" in the 1980s, much to the enrichment of that music industry. I don't think you can have it both ways.

maxwell smart

Good looking white blonde makes money by being smart.

There is the Huff Post's problem right there.

c_man

What a world we live in where such sh!te is given creedence

The_Valeyard

So is this today's outrage? Time to get the bandwagon going!!! Ffs Huffington Post has really gone to the dogs.

Duggy747

This is the same Huff Post that let's Deepak Chopra frequently post absolute crimes against science.

It and The Guardian are pale shadows of what they used to be, they're click-bait jokes now.

goose2005

Killer Wench wrote: »

No. She's appropriating an ethnic identity and selling it as a commodity.

I felt the same way when I saw a black man playing viola in the orchestra. How dare he appropriate European culture, falsely masquerading as a white musician.

ScumLord

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

That's one racist black guy. Whites should stay white and blacks should stay black and neither the two should mix. Simple racism.

Plryty wrote: »

This news article falls under a topic on white rappers that gained some traction around 18 months back

It started when a young white boy decided to break down the barriers in society to become one of the first rappers. That boys name was Vanilla Ice.

Black Americans are the coolest people on the planet, everyone wants to be like them and everyone loves their culture. They should be proud of that fact rather than being upset that their culture has been assimilated into the wider community.

I think most the rap culture is stupid, they rap about being gangsters and how great they are (for the most part in the popular music, I know there's much better rap out there) there's nothing admirable about most rappers. Iggy is a media whore selling herself as a product, just like Justin bieber is a media whore, Sinead O'Connor is a media whore, they're all media whores. I have zero interest in popular culture, it's a market for taking advantage of children and people that like to be plugged into a social scene.

Irish Guitarist

I don't care what colour she is. She's bloody annoying and I have no idea what her appeal is. Every new singer must have it written in their contract that at some point they have do a duet with Iggy Azalea.

One eyed Jack

MathDebater wrote: »

Half the fcuking world 'appropriates' aspects of Irish culture on an annual basis and nobody gives a damn.

Kiss me, I'm Irish!

No, wait, I'll kiss Ziggy instead if it'll shut her up for five minutes, she could well be Irish if she were to examine her own roots (and I ain't talkin' her weave, know wha'm sayin'?), Ohh no you di'int! :pac:

The black guy from "White Chicks" sums up my opinion on this cultural appropriation lark quite eloquently - "The deception!" :eek:

Because Miley Cyrus hasn't been seen twerking in the wild in a while, and Lily Allen is done trying to be controversial these days after she got slammed and all for her inappropriate cultural appropriation.

pH

I thought that Debbie Harry invented rap music no?