Honda most reliable car, 9th year in a row

cruhoortwunk

Volkswagen 23rd, discuss
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-named-uks-reliable-used-car-manufacturer-2015/1342848

NIMAN

Japs know how to build cars, end of.

I think Ford in 6th was surprising. They tend to be slagged a lot on here.

I drive an 08 Honda myself, no bother so far.

Outkast_IRE

Easy to believe, my uncle works in a dealership that has both honda and opel.

He said its incredibly rare to see any of the hondas back for anything other than a service or simple to fix problem.

Whereas the Opels, he said he personally wouldnt buy any of their range at the moment as they are constantly back with annoying problems which can be expensive fixes.

dgt

cruhoortwunk wrote: »

Volkswagen 23rd, discuss
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-named-uks-reliable-used-car-manufacturer-2015/1342848

No, you discuss first. I insist

Oafley Jones

cruhoortwunk wrote: »

Volkswagen 23rd, discuss
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-named-uks-reliable-used-car-manufacturer-2015/1342848

Par for the course with VAG.They never do much. They need to find out what skoda are up to. Their luxury brands In the ****ter as usual. Says a lot about the power of marketing when you'll see people rubbishing French cars and extolling the virtues of the Germans.

NIMAN

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Par for the course with VAG.They never do much. They need to find out what skoda are up to. Their luxury brands In the ****ter as usual. Says a lot about the power of marketing when you'll see people rubbishing French cars and extolling the virtues of the Germans.

I was one of those rubbishing French cars on another thread, but it was based on 3 close relatives/friends, all of whom had very bad experiences of French cars and who themselves said they never buy French again.

Against that, I owned a Golf myself and had no bother. Another couple of family members had VW and had no bother, plus at least 2 or 3 friends have VW without too much bother.

Those are the reasons I would buy German over French. Irrespective of what this survey says.

Edit: having said that, after watching Watchdog on Beeb last night, plus knowing 2 work colleagues who had total engine failures on Audi's, I'd tread carefully around those Germans.

Tea 1000

Ford always do well in these because they seem to be reliable for the first few years. But Fords seem to really go bad after around 10 years, they get very worn looking and then start to give problems.

punisher5112

From what I know we are getting certain electroinics that are different to what the germans are supplying in their own market similar to Jap cars where they are assembled in the UK and adding European components.

Honda do make a great bunch of vehicles and extremely amazing engines.

Outkast_IRE

Any opinions on why Honda Market Share here is relatively low ?

I think price comes into it, they do seem to be more expensive than their traditional rivals in each class.

However for a car that is more reliable than their competitors, this extra cost seems like a good investment. Most Irish people wont recognise this and will opt for the cheaper rival.

ThisRegard

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Whereas the Opels, he said he personally wouldnt buy any of their range at the moment as they are constantly back with annoying problems which can be expensive fixes.

Did you look at where they are on that list, higher than some of the brands people say are reliable.

Tea 1000

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Any opinions on why Honda Market Share here is relatively low ?

I think price comes into it, they do seem to be more expensive than their traditional rivals in each class.

However for a car that is more reliable than their competitors, this extra cost seems like a good investment.

Irish folk have no imagination. Toyota, VW and Ford are the 3 biggest sellers here, regardless of whether the individual car is good or bad.

Outkast_IRE

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you look at where they are on that list ?

Ya a long way down in 19th.

TBi

Skoda at 8 and VW at 23. both basically the same cars. How can one be so much more reliable than the other?

ThisRegard

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Ya a long way down in 19th.

Using your logic, you'd stay even further away from VW and BMW.

cruhoortwunk

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Any opinions on why Honda Market Share here is relatively low ?

I think price comes into it, they do seem to be more expensive than their traditional rivals in each class.

However for a car that is more reliable than their competitors, this extra cost seems like a good investment. Most Irish people wont recognise this and will opt for the cheaper rival.

Very few Honda dealers in Ireland for some reason I have noticed. I lived in Canada and Hondas were everywhere

Tea 1000

TBi wrote: »

Skoda at 8 and VW at 23. both basically the same cars. How can one be so much more reliable than the other?

Cheif of Skoda recently said that they have all the same problems that VW have, as they use the same parts. But people are happier with Skoda because they paid less and perhaps are happier with their dealers.

Special Circumstances

dgt wrote: »

No, you discuss first. I insist

The man said "DISCUSS"!

Now put on yer little performing monkey outfits and get on it with FFS!

Hop to it!

:pac::p

Outkast_IRE

ThisRegard wrote: »

Using your logic, you'd stay even further away from VW and BMW.

No, i believe you buy a car for more reasons than just reliability.

I was merely pointing out that someone who works in a dealership that sells exclusively Opel and Honda, has noticed how often the Opels are coming back with Issues in comparison to the Honda.

That being said, i am sure that reliability is a key factor that should be considered when purchasing a car and being at the top of this ranking would help inspire some confidence in the brand.

I actually wouldnt buy a VW anyway as i think for the most part their interior styling has been left in the stone age in comparison to their competitors.

BMW have left a sour taste in many mouths by refusing to implement recalls here, that they have been forced to do in the UK and the USA.

Oafley Jones

NIMAN wrote: »

I was one of those rubbishing French cars on another thread, but it was based on 3 close relatives/friends, all of whom had very bad experiences of French cars and who themselves said they never buy French again.

Against that, I owned a Golf myself and had no bother. Another couple of family members had VW and had no bother, plus at least 2 or 3 friends have VW without too much bother.

Those are the reasons I would buy German over French. Irrespective of what this survey says.

I wouldn't recommend a pre 08 Renault to anyone. They were awful cars. But so were Mercedes Benz. And the price they were charging made it doubly inexcusable. Yet they still don't get all the ****e talk today. Citroen, Peugeot and Renault are all sitting above VW there. How long is VW's warranty again? Two whole years. That shows confidence in their product.

Oafley Jones

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Cheif of Skoda recently said that they have all the same problems that VW have, as they use the same parts. But people are happier with Skoda because they paid less and perhaps are happier with their dealers.

That's why you've got to take a lot of these surveys with a health warning. Warranty direct one are different owing to the fact it's based on active claims rather than some whim of a customer. It still isn't perfect, but it's a better indicator than say a JD power survey.

I am unsure what the validity is of a survey using data collected by a company that sells extended warrantees. People with cars that would cost more to fix are more likely to use these extended warranty. It can only askew the datas

Oafley Jones

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am unsure what the validity is of a survey using data collected by a company that sells extended warrantees. People with cars that would cost more to fix are more likely to use these extended warranty. It can only askew the datas

There's the health warning. But they're still useful for parsing out information. The cost of repairs especially hits Bentley and Porsche, but again I don't think they're especially well made cars.

StereoSound

Honda never surprise me for their reliability. I have my old 93' 1.5vtec coupe locked away in storage for the past 4 years now..I'll be putting it back on the road soon as a weekend car. My Octavia remains my daily.

Skylinehead

Only problems I've had with my 06 Civic were the brakes, and I think that was a previous owner issue rather than a car problem. Slight clutch (pedal) squeak that won't go away. Overall it runs like a dream.

punisher5112

Skylinehead wrote: »

Only problems I've had with my 06 Civic were the brakes, and I think that was a previous owner issue rather than a car problem. Slight clutch (pedal) squeak that won't go away. Overall it runs like a dream.

Dreams shouldn't have sqeaks:D

Skylinehead

punisher5112 wrote: »

Dreams shouldn't have sqeaks:D

I WD40 it every so often along the clutch mechanism, works for a few weeks, but it returns. Not sure what it is really, but I don't particularly want to have to replace the master cylinder or anything.

TBi

Skylinehead wrote: »

I WD40 it every so often along the clutch mechanism, works for a few weeks, but it returns. Not sure what it is really, but I don't particularly want to have to replace the master cylinder or anything.

Try a proper oil like 3in1. WD40 isn't a lubricant.

Atlantic Dawn

cruhoortwunk wrote: »

Very few Honda dealers in Ireland for some reason I have noticed. I lived in Canada and Hondas were everywhere

There's a poor model range available.

Tea 1000

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There's a poor model range available.

Ah, that's a not the whole reason. It could do with being wider, but VW sold plenty of Golf's when there was only a 1.4 and 1.6 petrol, and 1.9 diesel available. Same with Ford. Yes there were one or two more engines, but hardly anyone bought them.
Honda with the new 1.6 diesel have a few options to suit.

bazz26

I don't think Honda have a big amount of interest in the small Irish car market. Their dealer network is pretty small in comparison to their rivals. While others like Toyota, Ford, etc have multiple dealers in the same town/city Honda barley have one per county.

Then you have the model line up. They don't really have a like for like model competing with their rivals either. Honda always tried to push the Civic as above a Corolla or Focus, they used to sell plenty of saloon Civics here but then decided to stick a 1.8 litre petrol engine only in it and we know the Irish were never going to pay the higher motor tax on it. The Accord was always marketed as a posher and more expensive alternative to an Avensis or Passat and it had a limited engine range.

Honda's specs were a bit odd too. The last generation Civic for example, one trim came with a panoramic sunroof, another came with leather seats or sat nav but you could never get one available with 2 or all 3 of these features in the same trim if wanted it and forget about trying to order it as it would be too much hassle and take too much time. It's like as if Honda were doing their best to send customers elsewhere.

BMJD

Oafley Jones wrote: »

How long is VW's warranty again? Two whole years. That shows confidence in their product.

that's amazing, I bought a 7 year old Lexus and got the same warranty

edit: seems like VW have pushed the boat out to three whole years now

Volkswagen New Car Warranty
As proof of the confidence we have in the quality of every new Volkswagen, we offer a three year warranty, three-year paint warranty and a 12-year body protection warranty against rusting through from the inside. In the unlikely event that you encounter a problem with your new Volkswagen, we'll ensure it gets the care and attention it deserves.

physioman

BMJD wrote: »

that's amazing, I bought a 7 year old Lexus and got the same warranty

edit: seems like VW have pushed the boat out to three whole years now

Was surprised at Audi's position. What models have been problematic?

BMJD

physioman wrote: »

Was surprised at Audi's position. What models have been problematic?

I'll take a guess and say all of them

ambro25

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend a pre 08 Renault to anyone. They were awful cars. But so were Mercedes Benz. And the price they were charging made it doubly inexcusable.

Bought our MY07 220 CDI at 30kmiles 2 and a bit years ago, it's on 60kmiles now. Save for regular (standard) servicing, all I've ever had to do on it was change the tyres. Once.

Then again, it's (probably) one of the last few W203 to roll off the production line before the major facelift to W204 (earliest are 57-reg in the UK, so within 6 months of ours). And one thing I have found through 20+ years of car ownership, is that you're always better off buying a 'one of the last few' before a new model/facelift, because all the kinks have been sussed and ironed out.

Same with our 17 year-old MX-5, same with my (RIP) 05 Impreza (the 06 Hawkeye (new/demonstrator) we owned for a while was a disaster of reliability), and more.

Skylinehead

TBi wrote: »

Try a proper oil like 3in1. WD40 isn't a lubricant.

Yeah, it isn't ideal to be fair. There's supposed to be a Renault oil that does wonders, might try that.

Gazzmonkey

Honda has always been best of the japs imo, the majority of my previous cars were Hondas.

Drove an EK4 VTiS on the crossover for 7 years, I liked that much.

Would happily go back to Honda but only if I'm buying an EK9 / FD2 / DC2 / DC5... you get the idea.

Eric Cartman

Toyota ford and skoda being in the top 10 - results very much offset by fleet sales where routine maintainence is carried out on the dot.

Honda topping isnt a huge surprise - enthusiast focussed brand , lower sales volumes than others and behind the curve mature electrical systems in the cars help a lot.

Biggest example of this on the list is toyota / lexus, the engineering is the same if not better for lexus but more advanced electrics and newer systems are more likely to fail putting them lower.

Bentley at the bottom of the list is very much a case of most luxury cars first owners wont have a clue / are too busy and rich so any light comes on and they send the car to a garage. Even though youd have more chance of an 00 arnage than an 00 avensis being alive and well in 30 years.

These reliability reports are a decent indicator, but you really have to factor whos driving the cars and in what way. If you did a reliability report surveying enthusiasts i think youd find many of the luxury brands would climb that ladder quick

BMJD

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Toyota ford and skoda being in the top 10 - results very much offset by fleet sales where routine maintainence is carried out on the dot.

Toyota and Skoda are nowhere near the most popular fleet cars in the UK for the period of the survey (VW, Audi and Vauxhall models occupied the top 5 in 2012 for example).

Honda topping isnt a huge surprise - enthusiast focussed brand , lower sales volumes than others and behind the curve mature electrical systems in the cars help a lot.

Honda are widely perceived as "an old man" marque in the UK

Biggest example of this on the list is toyota / lexus, the engineering is the same if not better for lexus but more advanced electrics and newer systems are more likely to fail putting them lower.

imo Lexus, being the luxury arm of Toyota, probably charge a bit more for the same work as Toyota, which pushes them a little further down the list

Bentley at the bottom of the list is very much a case of most luxury cars first owners wont have a clue / are too busy and rich so any light comes on and they send the car to a garage. Even though youd have more chance of an 00 arnage than an 00 avensis being alive and well in 30 years.

Warranty Direct’s Reliability Index analysed by What Car? experts, calculates each vehicle’s reliability using a complex formula that takes into account its failure rate, age, mileage and cost of repair. - See more at: http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-named-uks-reliable-used-car-manufacturer-2015/1342848#sthash.CJBrs7Xt.dpuf

I would imagine that the formula used is going to punish cars that do less mileage but need repairs - which is why Bentley and Porsche come out poor. Bentley probably charge a grand for a set of brake pads so any work at all will be hugely expensive.

These reliability reports are a decent indicator, but you really have to factor whos driving the cars and in what way. If you did a reliability report surveying enthusiasts i think youd find many of the luxury brands would climb that ladder quick

the results from all of them are nearly identical - Honda, Skoda, Lexus, Jaguar and the Koreans at the top; they can't all be wrong

Special Circumstances

Is the 320d still more common than Mondeo in the UK fleets?

Tea 1000

BMJD wrote: »

the results from all of them are nearly identical - Honda, Skoda, Lexus, Jaguar and the Koreans at the top; they can't all be wrong

I think the issues with the diesel in the IS brought down the Lexus rating a little. But if you were to buy a GS for example, it would be leagues ahaed of an A6/5-Series/E-Class for reliability, whatever about the other things.

I'd say the problem with Bentley are the people buying them are buying the cheaper dodgy ones and buying the aftermarket warranty, and being plagued.

ambro25

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Is the 320d still more common than Mondeo in the UK fleets?

Can't remember the last time I saw a new-ish Mondeo tbh, by comparison to the others mentioned below.

Tons of Vauxhalls (Insignia), Jags (XF), Audis (A4), Beemers (seems to be more 520d's than 320d's, I understand the 5s may have a better BiK rating?) on roads here. I'd say Insignias first and foremost.

Sleepy

I had a 5th generation Civic 5 door that I'd probably still have today if a prick in a Kia jeep hadn't written it off for me. Loved that car. They ruined the carwith the 8th gen models imo. The saloon was too big for the class and the hatch was uglier than a Multipla.

neasyerac

Had a 1.4 ek4 and a 1.6 Sir ek4 after that, loved the cars. Over the 5 years between them I never had a bit of trouble and I wasn't easy on them either.

C.K Dexter Haven

I've always thought how the Honda Accords with very high millage hold their value is just staggering- owners of these cars absolutely swear by them. Honda are obviously doing something well.

corcaigh1

Audi 34th! Jaysus..

Hachiko

cruhoortwunk wrote: »

Very few Honda dealers in Ireland for some reason I have noticed. I lived in Canada and Hondas were everywhere

no one wants a 2.2 diesel Accord for the tax and certainly not a 2 litre petrol.

Civics and Jazz are meh sales.

Not to say there is nothing wrong with them. far from it.

I believe the Accord is no longer to be sold in the UK which says it all about fleet sales on German cars. Usually dumped to unsuspecting punters with high miles and loads of issues after a few years.

German cars remind me of iphones for some reason...

Hachiko

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Toyota ford and skoda being in the top 10 - results very much offset by fleet sales where routine maintainence is carried out on the dot.

Honda topping isnt a huge surprise - enthusiast focussed brand , lower sales volumes than others and behind the curve mature electrical systems in the cars help a lot.

Biggest example of this on the list is toyota / lexus, the engineering is the same if not better for lexus but more advanced electrics and newer systems are more likely to fail putting them lower.

Bentley at the bottom of the list is very much a case of most luxury cars first owners wont have a clue / are too busy and rich so any light comes on and they send the car to a garage. Even though youd have more chance of an 00 arnage than an 00 avensis being alive and well in 30 years.

These reliability reports are a decent indicator, but you really have to factor whos driving the cars and in what way. If you did a reliability report surveying enthusiasts i think youd find many of the luxury brands would climb that ladder quick

Lexus are very reliable, the ls400 is probably the most reliable barge of recent times. Its not uncommon to find them still going with > 200k miles and with just routine services, they were fully loaded too.

Hachiko

Skylinehead wrote: »

I WD40 it every so often along the clutch mechanism, works for a few weeks, but it returns. Not sure what it is really, but I don't particularly want to have to replace the master cylinder or anything.

try o ring grease

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/MLK7030550P

trabpc

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Any opinions on why Honda Market Share here is relatively low ?

I think price comes into it, they do seem to be more expensive than their traditional rivals in each class.

However for a car that is more reliable than their competitors, this extra cost seems like a good investment. Most Irish people wont recognise this and will opt for the cheaper rival.

The problem I see is a 5 yr old UK Accord will set u back 16/17k on the road. A 5yr old insignia costs half that. So naturally fewer Hondas are imported second hand. Brand New its not quite the same ratio but a base accord will probably still be 10 k more than the base Opel. Reliability is rarely looked at when johnny average goes to buy a car. Price is king to him. I'd rather pay the honda premium and stay away from potiential issues.

trabpc

Hachiko wrote: »

no one wants a 2.2 diesel Accord for the tax and certainly not a 2 litre petrol.

Civics and Jazz are meh sales.

Not to say there is nothing wrong with them. far from it.

I believe the Accord is no longer to be sold in the UK which says it all about fleet sales on German cars. Usually dumped to unsuspecting punters with high miles and loads of issues after a few years.

German cars remind me of iphones for some reason...

What's engine size got to do with Tax? Unless your talking 07 and older, engine size is irrelevant. Accord discontinued in Europe not just UK. Honda say SUV's are the main seller now. Look at Nissan. Do they currenly sell a saloon in Europe?

Hachiko

trabpc wrote: »

The problem I see is a 5 yr old UK Accord will set u back 16/17k on the road. A 5yr old insignia costs half that. So naturally fewer Hondas are imported second hand. Brand New its not quite the same ratio but a base accord will probably still be 10 k more than the base Opel. Reliability is rarely looked at when johnny average goes to buy a car. Price is king to him. I'd rather pay the honda premium and stay away from potiential issues.

Honda have probably priced their cars a tad too high, but that's not to say they are a bad car. I too always look at reliability before I get a car, I did consider 6 pot BMWs but was put off with turbos and likewise with A4 Quattros.