Alberto Salazar at centre of Doping allegations BBC Panorama *MOD NOTE: Post 134*

menoscemo

It's all over the BBC at the moment. It's the main story on the 6 oclock news and on the BBC website
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32877702

It's going to be the subject of the panorama programme at 9pm tonight.

Discuss (if that's not against the forum rules)

shels4ever

menoscemo wrote: »

It's all over the BBC at the moment. It's the main story on the 6 oclock news and on the BBC website
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32877702

It's going to be the subject of the panorama programme at 9pm tonight.

Discuss (if that's not against the forum rules)

Shocked if its true

Djoucer

Here's a full report from website who are in partnership with BBC's Panorama.

https://www.propublica.org/article/former-team-members-accuse-coach-alberto-salazar-of-breaking-drug-rules

Sandwell

It shouldn't shock anyone who's been paying attention but I suppose it's good to see mainstream media raising questions at last.

Sandwell

David Epstein will be discussing the report on Off the Ball in a few minutes.

Itziger

Wow, crazy $hit if true......


Magness says he shared an office cubicle at Nike with Salazar's son, Alex, who helped work out the team budget. Alex was occasionally used as a guinea pig to test supplements and then get evaluated in the lab. In one instance, Magness says Alex told him that he was testing testosterone gel: rubbing some on, getting tested in the lab, rubbing some more on, getting tested in the lab. Magness and another Oregon Project athlete separately say the reason Salazar gave for the testing was to determine how much of the gel it would take to trigger a positive test in case a rival attempted to sabotage an Oregon Project athlete by furtively rubbing it on one of them at a race. "It seemed ludicrous," Magness says. He believes "it was them trying to figure out how to cheat the tests...So it's how much can we take without triggering a positive."

adrian522

Well if we can't trust Nike I guess I just don't know anymore. [/sarcasm]

Ososlo

So it's that easy to get epo! Who'd have thunk!

Itziger

Ososlo wrote: »

So it's that easy to get epo! Who'd have thunk!

I might get me a new phone cover before the next marathon effort.

Itziger

7% improvement in 7 weeks! Shoot.

So it wasn't just the nasty East Germans and Ruskies (and Yanks and Canadians and Kenyans and Jamaicans). It was our whiter than white British boys as well. And I thought Alan Wells got them muscles from the gym.

But he never failed a test should only now ever be said in a South Park voice a la Theytookourjawbs!

average_runner

Nike involved in another drug scandal. Maybe it's time Nike was investigated and boycotted

efb

Lads what do you make of this? I'm not surprised but you guys at the core what do you think?

rom

kara goucher - i remember her interview after new york and all she said was alberto is going to so mad. Very sad.

Ososlo

well that was utterly depressing. Tip of the iceberg no doubt.

williestroker1

But Farah says he's clean, that's a relieve.

corny

BBC News headline "There was no evidence Mo Farah took performance enhancing drugs and he's told us he's never used PED's". Fair enough so.

williestroker1

Maybe Rupp was depressed.

Notwork Error

efb wrote: »

Lads what do you make of this? I'm not surprised but you guys at the core what do you think?

I was a little suprised by the testosterone claims to be fair. Not so much about the abuse of TUEs. Rupp's thyroid doctor has treated 27 Olympic athletes for a condition that only seems to occur mainly in elderly women and elite athletes.

As soon as they get rid of TUEs, the better. The recent CIRC report into cycling showed that nearly 90% of all TUEs were used for doping. It's a way to get away with doping legally.

As for the effectiveness of the BP. That's always had a big question mark over it because the range for a positive have to be so large that a clean athlete doesn't get caught that it leaves the door wide open for dopers. Bring back direct testing alongside the BP.

Cona

Doesn't surprise me. I would question the Kenyan lads as well...someone will break the 2 hour marathon barrier soon and will be doped to the eyeballs IMO

RacoonQueen

There have been rumours about Rupp and Salazar since the Olympics. Interesting documentry...could open a whole can of worms for a lot of athletes. Interesting to see Kara Goucher open up.

topcat77

Very sad but not shocked. Also a big cycling fan so not surprised at the methods. Every sport is riddled. Rugby will be the next

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RacoonQueen wrote: »

There have been rumours about Rupp and Salazar since the Olympics. Interesting documentry...could open a whole can of worms for a lot of athletes. Interesting to see Kara Goucher open up.

To be fair, there has been rumours about Salazar since the early 80's and his abuse of prescription anti-depressants like prozac. He was always known as as someone who cut a fine line on the rules of the sport without ever getting caught overstepping them.

shels4ever

RacoonQueen wrote: »

There have been rumours about Rupp and Salazar since the Olympics. Interesting documentry...could open a whole can of worms for a lot of athletes. Interesting to see Kara Goucher open up.

Yep I thought it was very well done, was half expecting nothing to be said. At the least there will be an exodus from the Nike project with Olympics next year. No will move somewhere to protect his wallet .

rom

topcat77 wrote: »

Very sad but not shocked. Also a big cycling fan so not surprised at the methods. Every sport is riddled. Rugby will be the next

I am still waiting for soccer to have its day. The last WC was the first with biological passport and it was the most boring comp ever. The best teams were poor.

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rom wrote: »

I am still waiting for soccer to have its day. The last WC was the first with biological passport and it was the most boring comp ever. The best teams were poor.

. The BP doesn't do squat for doping. Athletes just adapt to the test. That's the way it works, anti-doping authorities can only react to what is happening in medicine, they cannot predict it.

topcat77

Remember watching Mo lose a cross-country race Edinburgh 2010 in spectacular fashion. Never thought for a minute he'd turn into such a successful athlete. Like the guy and hope my suspicions are wrong.

jimcricket

Awh lads its depressing. It makes it harder and harder to watch and to listen too

Beef

rom wrote: »

I am still waiting for soccer to have its day. The last WC was the first with biological passport and it was the most boring comp ever. The best teams were poor.

Arjen Robben became the fastest ever recorded soccer player at 37 kmph at the last world cup and that was in the 80th minute against Spain in Brazil. I'm not so sure the passport makes much difference there either to be honest...

edit - his previous best was 30.7...

GT_TDI_150

Another big cycling fan here ...

would have thought it would be a little harder to beat the passport...if joe soap is able to get decent increases without it getting detected then God knows what professional athletes with medical teams at their disposal are able to achieve.

Cycling,
athletics,
rowing,
triathlons,
Rugby,
Tennis,
Swimming, ...

I truly hope reporters keep digging and uncovering these type of stories ...

I consciously left football off the list, I cant honestly believe they have the brains to remember the instructions to micro dose :P

corny

rom wrote: »

I am still waiting for soccer to have its day. The last WC was the first with biological passport and it was the most boring comp ever. The best teams were poor.

Soccer had its day but a Spanish court made sure it was buried. What was it Eufe said.... 'If I would talk, the Spanish football team would be stripped of the 2010 World Cup'.

Notwork Error

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Another big cycling fan here ...

would have thought it would be a little harder to beat the passport...if joe soap is able to get decent increases without it getting detected then God knows what professional athletes with medical teams at their disposal are able to achieve.

Cycling,
athletics,
rowing,
triathlons,
Rugby,
Tennis,
Swimming, ...

I truly hope reporters keep digging and uncovering these type of stories ...

I consciously left football off the list, I cant honestly believe they have the brains to remember the instructions to micro dose :P

I refer to Tyler Hamilton's thoughts on the matter and how easy it is to beat the passport while gaining the most in performance from the secret race.

Hamilton said that they used to take blood tranfusions and then microdose EPO to balance out the levels of reticulytes and mature RBC's thereby beating the passport just like that. When just microdosing, they used to take a smaller dose every night instead of taking one big dose every 4 days as the halflife of an EPO microdose is only 4 hours. Drug tests cannot be done directly after a stage or race as dehydration can set off the results so by the time the testers get to them, the markers are gone. Only the dumb get caught.

TRR_the_turd

RacoonQueen wrote: »

There have been rumours about Rupp and Salazar since the Olympics. Interesting documentry...could open a whole can of worms for a lot of athletes. Interesting to see Kara Goucher open up.

Meh, was a bit of a miss mash of a documentary. Nothing really new being said about Salazar. I wouldn't trust him but evidence was all hearsay, he's not going to come clean like Lance based on this tripe. And what's the story with Goucher, why has she come out now? How did Salazar "force her"?

*I'd like to stress I don't like or trust Salazar, I just thought this was a pile of poo

Chivito550

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Another big cycling fan here ...

would have thought it would be a little harder to beat the passport...if joe soap is able to get decent increases without it getting detected then God knows what professional athletes with medical teams at their disposal are able to achieve.

Cycling,
athletics,
rowing,
triathlons,
Rugby,
Tennis,
Swimming, ...

I truly hope reporters keep digging and uncovering these type of stories ...

I consciously left football off the list, I cant honestly believe they have the brains to remember the instructions to micro dose :P

Doping in football is not done on an individual level. It's a lot more systematic than that. Tony Cascarino had some interesting experiences at Marseilles.

YFlyer

Boxing and MMA should be next.

conavitzky

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Another big cycling fan here ...

would have thought it would be a little harder to beat the passport...if joe soap is able to get decent increases without it getting detected then God knows what professional athletes with medical teams at their disposal are able to achieve.

Cycling,
athletics,
rowing,
triathlons,
Rugby,
Tennis,
Swimming, ...

I truly hope reporters keep digging and uncovering these type of stories ...

I consciously left football off the list, I cant honestly believe they have the brains to remember the instructions to micro dose :P

Not forgetting GAA. I am convinced that a certain team out there are at it.

Chivito550

Not shocked at all about Salazar, but also feel there's not really enough in that documentary to properly get him. They'll need to dig for a lot more.

Actually found the Alan Wells stuff more fascinating, but with it being over 30 years ago he can easily just deny and nothing will be done.

corny

conavitzky wrote: »

Not forgetting GAA. I am convinced that a certain team out there are at it.

Don't see how you could pick out one team but....

shels4ever

conavitzky wrote: »

Not forgetting GAA. I am convinced that a certain team out there are at it.

Yep Longford at the weekend were clearly on something.

efb

shels4ever wrote: »

Yep Longford at the weekend were clearly on something.

Turf!

Notwork Error

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

Meh, was a bit of a miss mash of a documentary. Nothing really new being said about Salazar. I wouldn't trust him but evidence was all hearsay, he's not going to come clean like Lance based on this tripe. And what's the story with Goucher, why has she come out now? How did Salazar "force her"?

*I'd like to stress I don't like or trust Salazar, I just thought this was a pile of poo

Yeah, I agree. Most of that stuff was well known before this with the exception of Rupp taking testosterone but that's hearsay too.

I never get why people do anonymous interviews for these things. It takes away all their credibility and it's not like AlSal is part of the mob.

ultrapercy

conavitzky wrote: »

Not forgetting GAA. I am convinced that a certain team out there are at it.

Just one ? I'm presuming it's not Sligo.

yaboya1

ultrapercy wrote: »

Just one ? I'm presuming it's not Sligo.

After last weekend I think we can rule out Longford :pac:

efb

YFlyer wrote: »

Boxing and MMA should be next.

James Toney was stripped of a title for failed drugs test

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/sports/othersports/toney-fails-drug-test-and-is-stripped-of-title.html

efb

yaboya1 wrote: »

After last weekend I think we can rule out Longford :pac:

Or Offaly (who Longford previously beat )

clear thinking

It's a great day for sport when stuff like this is aired. Clean athletes can feel vindicated and the cheats know the truth will out in the end, even aul lads like Wells... too many people know so it's only a matter of time for any cheat.

Personally I'd rather be a broke clean athlete knowing I'd maxed out than having cheated to make a few quid and have to live with it. Especially when it is only the very few in this sport that actually make any money.

Football is way dirtier imo, proportionate to the money involved.

average_runner

clear thinking wrote: »

It's a great day for sport when stuff like this is aired. Clean athletes can feel vindicated and the cheats know the truth will out in the end, even aul lads like Wells... too many people know so it's only a matter of time for any cheat.

Personally I'd rather be a broke clean athlete knowing I'd maxed out than having cheated to make a few quid and have to live with it. Especially when it is only the very few in this sport that actually make any money.

Football is way dirtier imo, proportionate to the money involved.

Yet no one questions the one common factor in this. Ie Nike.

pconn062

A lot of hearsay in that documentary, but great to have someone starting to shine the light on NOP. I was most interested in Magness's comments, the guy knows his stuff and wouldn't be coming forward like that unless he felt there was something really wrong. I would also doubt if that was everything Magness has seen in his time there.

fishboy1974

In fairness the Beeb had this on for an hour then main headline on news followed by Newsnight. Clearly an organisation who believe they have enough proof. Mo is implicit and needs to do some talking to erase concerns over his performances and association. Agree with previous poster regards Nike. First poster boy lance and now funded institution. It's very sad for the sport.

average_runner

fishboy1974 wrote: »

In fairness the Beeb had this on for an hour then main headline on news followed by Newsnight. Clearly an organisation who believe they have enough proof. Mo is implicit and needs to do some talking to erase concerns over his performances and association. Agree with previous poster regards Nike. First poster boy lance and now funded institution. It's very sad for the sport.

Don't forget they recently signed gatlin.
Also involved in the fifa scandal.

ThisRegard

topcat77 wrote: »

Very sad but not shocked. Also a big cycling fan so not surprised at the methods. Every sport is riddled. Rugby will be the next

Soccer and tennis are well past their due, they even used the infamous Ferrari, involved at the height of doping in cycling for Christ sake.

Chartsengrafs

rom wrote: »

I am still waiting for soccer to have its day. The last WC was the first with biological passport and it was the most boring comp ever. The best teams were poor.

Boring as 1990? Though I agree with your point in general.