Electronic cigarette choice

orange157192

What kind of electronic cigarettes should I choose if I want to give up smoking?

ardinn

Hey orange - Wicked are a great brand!

orange157192

ardinn wrote: »

Hey orange - Wicked are a great brand!

Thank you very much.

youdipstick

orange157192 wrote: »

What kind of electronic cigarettes should I choose if I want to give up smoking?

When you say electronic cigarettes,do you mean ciggy type lookalikes or do you really want something that will get you off the fags completely.
Ardin is right if you just want the latter.

uch

+1 on Wicked, I'm off the smokes 3 months now and haven't had a problem with the Healthier Choice/Wicked stuff, actually found it surprisingly easy to give up the smokes using this.

Celly Smunt

I wouldn't be looking at wicked or any other type of "garage" type brand if you're looking to be done with cigarettes. Generally, though not bad, I wouldn't rate them as anything special or a significant aid compared to what you could get just as easy and far cheaper in the long run.

Get yourself to e-smokeireland in palmerstown and let them guide you through the process.

CantGetNoSleep

Would anyone recommend a good starter kit that i could buy online? Also want to give up smoking, but I'm not a 20 a day, closer to 5 with some days none at all

uch

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I wouldn't be looking at wicked or any other type of "garage" type brand if you're looking to be done with cigarettes. Generally, though not bad, I wouldn't rate them as anything special or a significant aid compared to what you could get just as easy and far cheaper in the long run.

Get yourself to e-smokeireland in palmerstown and let them guide you through the process.

I wouldn't be listening to this type of snobbery either, go to your local dealer and have a chat, if it works fine, if not try something else, you don't need a Rolls Royce of an ecig to give up.

Good luck

http://www.healthierchoice.ie/starter-kits-c5

Thecageyone

I wouldn't direct anyone to Wicked stuff either. And it's not snobbery, there's just better out there. Better shops too. Hard not to recommend a newcomer to the likes of an iStick 20w + eleaf gs air atm.

Didihno

Snobbery?
Thats not snobbery, its knowledge born from experience.
Fake cigarettey things, complete garbage, no-one I know quit using them.
CE4's? Mostly garbage, no-one I know quit properly using them.
CE5's Well, they worked for a while but both myself and others I know used them and smoked concurrently.
It wasn't until myself, and others I know switched to combinations of proper ego batteries (900 & 1100mah ones that could last a night out) with Kanger Protanks and Evods and the like that myself and a few members of my 'vaping group' managed to quit the cigs for good.
Why?
Because, performance.

Now, armed with that knowledge born from a common experience people like us advise the 'newbies' (I hate that term) to start on better gear, whatever in fact is the best cheapest gear for the long run.
Why shouldn't others benefit from our long learning curve and therefore hopefully stand a better chance of quitting the smokes first time?

Snobbery my ar$e.
Its not like we're advising Kayfun v4's and Vapor Flasks to the masses seeking advice 'or you won't look as cool as me'.
Its top information and advice, the kind I wished I had when I was struggling to come off my 20 a day habit about 3 years ago.

It's no disrespect to the company you linked, but I wouldn't recommend anything they sell except the higher mah ego batteries, and even I wouldn't be sure of the quality compared to one in a more reputable store that still could set you back €12-15 or more. Back in the day I bought my egos well, not some mass produced starter kit rubbish, and they all still work. I use them as loaners in fact, to help other people get started.

RIchieNouveau

Trust me, I'm not snobby. I've only just stopped vaping Hangsen (possibly the cheapest liquid available) because I found out I can DIY cheaper

I still wouldn't recommend Wicked/Healthier Choice to anyone. I was going in there for a while because they were the only shop around me I knew of that sold 6mg liquid but I got tired of the bad advice, nonexistent product knowledge and inflated prices on ancient technology very quickly. The reason you see the same products and vendors recommended by loads of unconnected people is quite simply because the products are great value and work well and the vendors have compete to be pricing and great service. That's all there is to it.

P.S I rang Healthier Choice to find out their PG/VG ratios and after 5 mins "on hold" where I could hear the mass confusion my very simple query had caused in their "office" (shop) I was told they "wouldn't be able to give that info out on the phone." The reason given by the person the call handler asked was that I might be a competitor trying to steal their recipes, as if the PG/VG ratio holds the key to the flavours. This might not seem that bad to a new vaper now, and I don't want this to sound patronising but anyone who's been vaping a while knows that this exposes a gaping hole in the company reps knowledge of what they're selling for human consumption, and it's really not on.

ForestFire

I guess everyone is different, but I know plenty of people that have been off cigarettes for years now on the following brand, including my mother and my wife.


www.greensmoke.co.uk


and do not confuse with the Irish website which did not work for the people I know.

Shinobollo

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter a fcuk what you use as long as it works for you.
However, the comments from Didihno and Richie are perfectly valid and based on a combination of personal knowledge and shared experience.
I've been following this forum for 2 years now and vaping nearly 1&1/2 of them. Without it i doubt I'd have got this far. I've always found that if someone asks a question here they get honest unbiased responses, particularly if they're just starting out.
Personally speaking, from a work perspective, I'd get far more out of a 15 minute chat or half an hour looking at the notes of someone more experienced, coupled with a little trial and error, than I would from reading 200 manuals.
I extended that approach to how I've gathered my little bit of vaping know how. And it's worked so far because I listen but then make my decisions based on what I think will work best for me.
Doesn't matter how you get there as long as reach your destination. There are so many options available now. Start with whatever you want to, whether it be a "cigalike" or a full blown "cloud chasing setup". But be open to trying alternatives to Option 1 if that doesn't work out for you.
All anyone here will do, is try to provide you with a little info, should you ask for it and support, should you need it.
It amazes me how quickly "newbies" (sorry) to this forum find themselves in a position to share their vaping knowledge - and do so willingly.

Best of luck to any / everyone giving up, regardless of whatever method they choose.

BTW - before anyone jumps on me - please please please don't try starting off with a full blown cloud chasing setup, unless you are well acquainted with Ohms law and spend all your spare time wrapping tiny strands of wire evenly around jewellers screwdrivers or toothpicks. :-)

Mark Tapley

Shinobollo wrote: »

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter a fcuk what you use as long as it works for you.
However, the comments from Didihno and Richie are perfectly valid and based on a combination of personal knowledge and shared experience.
I've been following this forum for 2 years now and vaping nearly 1&1/2 of them. Without it i doubt I'd have got this far. I've always found that if someone asks a question here they get honest unbiased responses, particularly if they're just starting out.
Personally speaking, from a work perspective, I'd get far more out of a 15 minute chat or half an hour looking at the notes of someone more experienced, coupled with a little trial and error, than I would from reading 200 manuals.
I extended that approach to how I've gathered my little bit of vaping know how. And it's worked so far because I listen but then make my decisions based on what I think will work best for me.
Doesn't matter how you get there as long as reach your destination. There are so many options available now. Start with whatever you want to, whether it be a "cigalike" or a full blown "cloud chasing setup". But be open to trying alternatives to Option 1 if that doesn't work out for you.
All anyone here will do, is try to provide you with a little info, should you ask for it and support, should you need it.
It amazes me how quickly "newbies" (sorry) to this forum find themselves in a position to share their vaping knowledge - and do so willingly.

Best of luck to any / everyone giving up, regardless of whatever method they choose.

BTW - before anyone jumps on me - please please please don't try starting off with a full blown cloud chasing setup, unless you are well acquainted with Ohms law and spend all your spare time wrapping tiny strands of wire evenly around jewellers screwdrivers or toothpicks. :-)

You have been vaping for a year and a half. I thought this was a temporary measure to give up smoking not a hobby?

RIchieNouveau

Mark Tapley wrote: »

You have been vaping for a year and a half. I thought this was a temporary measure to give up smoking not a hobby?

Hobby for some, temporary measure for others. Harm reduction for people who'd otherwise be smoking for most.

Mark Tapley

RIchieNouveau wrote: »

Hobby for some, temporary measure for others. Harm reduction for people who'd otherwise be smoking for most.

Im not trying to be judgmental, Im thinking of giving it a go myself. People do seem to get caught up with flavours and equipment. Whatever works though, seems better than tobacco.

RIchieNouveau

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Im not trying to be judgmental, Im thinking of giving it a go myself. People do seem to get caught up with flavours and equipment. Whatever works though, seems better than tobacco.

We've had people on here who've stopped entirely and said goodbye to the group. There's others who've stated from the outset that they have no intention of ever giving up vaping because they enjoy it.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I started on 24mg and I'm now on around 4mg. I could've went down much faster if I'd put the effort in but I got complacent, which isn't unusual for me at all in any walk of life! It has become a hobby for me with juice mixing and building my own coils but I'm one of those headwrecks who turns coffee drinking in to a hobby.

The thing with vaping is it really is what you make of it. It's very diverse in a way that smoking isn't. My actual nicotine addiction is nothing compared to how it was. I can go to work all day without bringing my stuff out and only vape it when I get home. I used to roll fags while jogging uphill on the way to work I was that bad. My entire working day revolved around fag breaks. All I know for sure is and of course "your mileage may vary" but:

1: My chest and fitness are better. I can jog and run without wheezing these days.
2: I've saved a fortune. I can't even be arsed figuring it out but it's a lot of money.
3: My life doesn't revolve around vaping the easy it did around smoking, even though I've managed to turn it in to a hobby.
4: Added bonus you get to join cool groups like this one and others where everyone is friendly and helpful and sends each other free stuff! Everyone loves free stuff!

JH_raheny

Mark Tapley wrote: »

You have been vaping for a year and a half. I thought this was a temporary measure to give up smoking not a hobby?

For some, for others it actually turns in to a hobby, I'm one one of those people and very happy with it, you might not understand it but we're all different

Shinobollo

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Im not trying to be judgmental, Im thinking of giving it a go myself. People do seem to get caught up with flavours and equipment. Whatever works though, seems better than tobacco.

Hi Mark. From the outset I always made it clear that my sole intention was to give up cigarettes / cigars.

My attitude toward vaping was / is, as an alternative nicotine delivery mechanism and I really wanted to stop smoking.

I enjoy the sensation of inhaling and having something to fiddle with so for me vaping quickly became a hobby, one which I thoroughly enjoy.

I'm currently using 18mg liquids having used 24mg for over a year and my next batch will be 12mg as I've recently upgraded my kit and 18mg is too much for me with the new gear.

I may get down to 0mg juice some day but for now I'm happy knowing that I'm not smoking and have absolutely no interest in going back.

Penny Tration

Vaping is not a hobby for me.

I do enjoy seeing shiny new stuff and whatever else, but I've stuck with an old reliable (although it died on me today so I have no choice but to buy a new one!).

I haven't smoked in nearly 7 months, and I'm,not addicted to nicotine (haven't had nicotine in any way, shape for form for two months).

But I still like vaping. I might use 0mg liquid but I get a throat hit that I enjoy.

The hand to mouth action and throat hit de-stress me and I enjoy them so for the moment, I'm happy to vape.

OldMrBrennan83

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Celly Smunt

uch wrote: »

I wouldn't be listening to this type of snobbery either, go to your local dealer and have a chat, if it works fine, if not try something else, you don't need a Rolls Royce of an ecig to give up.

Good luck

http://www.healthierchoice.ie/starter-kits-c5

Jaysus it's not snobbery, it's pure experience of trying pretty much as much as i can on the market mixed with first hand experience from vendors. It's well known that those working in the stalls don't know much about what they're giving you other than how to change heads. I recommended e-smokeireland because they are far more knowledgable, hold a client base strongly here on thia forum, stock GOOD quality gear at a far more competitive rate than the vendor you suggested and also due to the fact that if you start with ****e (for the same price if not more) you're going to get ****e and end up spending more on what the user could've got in the first place.

If i suggested they should start on a mech and kayfun with a 100% VG juice i'd retract from the argument, but the matter of the fact is you have pointed the user in a direction which at the end of the day isn't the best avenue.

Moral of the story, it's not snobbery its experience from years of spending MY cash to find out what works for all levels of vapers.

Didihno

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Honestly Pat its really worth trying again.
The gear has improved immeasurably for what you probably had 'back then', even those 'big square batteries' have been miniaturised and now somthing like the iStick (€30-60) delivers whatever power you need, usually for days without charging and fits in the palm of your hand. Atomisers too have changed and evolved, even something new like the eLeaf GS Air (€10-12)is a tiny little thing that seems to be working very well for people I know, without leaking while delivering great flavour and vapour (also its not much more expensive than the disposable ones).
The time is right to go again Pat, if you want to.

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JH_raheny

You will get a surprise how good the stuff is now compared to even just a year ago.
I didn't like the idea of box mods and square batteries either but decided on an iStick 50w to have at work and guess what, it's all I'm using now, my evic surpreme have pretty much been retired since I got the iStick, even if you don't want to go the RBA route some of the tanks today come with coils that easily last a week or two and you can even get sub ohm coils, some leaking will probably always happen every now and then due to the nature of how these things work

Didihno

I had the Protank 2, the full size one and yeah, it was total garbage, leaked and gurgled its way into the bin. The Protank 2 mini was a completely different beast, I still have one at home though it never gets used by me anymore, I do loan it out to those wanting to try vaping, with a couple of trusty 1100mah Ego twist batteries. The Ego battery is a great little yoke and if you have a decent one that still works I'd keep it charged in your bag or pocket even if you go for a better battery this time.
Right now, the best thing I'd (and a lot on here) recommend is the iStick, it comes in 20w, 30w and 50w power ratings. Honestly the 20w is more than enough power for the beginner to even mid range vaper, however it has one stupid flaw, the threads which you screw your atomiser into are soft and prone to getting damaged if your not very very careful, and even if you are careful like me, they will just wear down over time. One of my 20w sits at homes now, with almost no threads left after 8 months.
Its for this reason I'd recommend the 30w, which has had that issue fixed (I don't have one myself but this is the general knowledge). Its a bit more pricey and certainly more power than you'll probably need, but for build quality it seems to be bang on and reliable as can be.
You can go mental and get the 50w but some of those have been dodgy build quality wise with some very nasty tales on the net about serious issues, like melting and burning issues.
I would stay away from that, but thats just me.

There are a million atomisers out now and these days its very hard to find an actual bad one.
I would go cheap though and try out the very small but perfectly formed eLeaf GS Air.
Its by the same company as the iStick, dirt cheap and widely available.

Check out the various online stores for prices, or your local brick and mortar store who of course will be more expensive but I do like the personal touch. Its nice to deal with a face, as long as the price isn't mentally different to online.

Finally eliquids have improved too, but honestly I think theres is simply no way to recommend anything other than going into a good store and taste testing to find what you like.

OldMrBrennan83

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JH_raheny

they have them here http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/
The cloupor mini doesn't look half bad either

Didihno

I love the Cloupor mini and have 4 of them!
I wouldn't recommend them to a beginner though, just because you need batteries, charger and honestly the iStick or a good ego type does that all in one.

Pat,
There are loads of Irish sites that you'd do well to browse through, esmokeireland as above, vaporium, thebestshop, bargain vapour, jaysus and about 10 more I'd say.
Go have an auld look see and sure if you see something and you want more info just post a link to what it is on here and someone will steer you right.
D

OldMrBrennan83

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Didihno

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Good man, I really don't think you'll go wrong with what you got.

OldMrBrennan83

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Didihno

Well good luck with all of it!
Good times ahead!

Shinobollo

Patww79 wrote: »

Yeah I've a few big changes coming up work wise and all, so it's the time now to take the opportunity. Hopefully have all by Monday, though I've the kanger, new coil, and battery dug out to get going over the weekend.

Pat.
One thing to watch out for that wasn't mentioned earlier (sorry, I've been off the grid) is the juice / liquid you use. I notice that you mention a preference for tobacco flavours.
Some of these - particularly those referred to as NETs (Naturally Extracted Tobaccos) are known to be much harder on coils. Some examples of these are the House of Liquids range (to varying degrees) and T-Juice Cubana. Although I love the HOL range in particular, I would suggest that you use some of the other brands that have non NET tobacco flavours in their ranges until you are happy building you own coils and rewicking etc.
Otherwise you run the risk of having to change gunked up coils on a fairly regular basis, something that appears to have put you off vaping in the past.
Think of it a saving a treat for yourself for later.

There's a lot out there on the web about NETs and their effect on coils.
For me , they're worth the hassle, but I thought it worth mentioning given your previous experience.

One other general rule of thumb I've found is that, the darker in colour the juice / liquid I'm using - the more often I'll need to change coils.
But like everything else, there are always exceptions to the rule.

OldMrBrennan83

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Shinobollo

Patww79 wrote: »

Cheers for that. I'll keep any eye out for light coloured ones? Any places in particular that are better for not having these when buying juices?

Also, on the iStick. I see it's adjustable. Is there any optimum voltage for the eleaf coils or is it just down to preference/strength?

Best bet is to drop in to a shop with samplers and try a few. Don't rule out flavoured juices either until you've tried a few. Some are very tasty. I tend to have at least one tobacco and one flavoured liquids on the go at any time. And normally a few mixes as well. It's one of the best things about vaping. The variety is endless.

If you look through the threads here you'll find that there are a few that are recommended on a regular basis.
Here's a link to a site that has details of most if not all Irish Shops and Websites that sell Vape gear ...
http://www.irishecigs.com/ecig-shops-ireland


With regards to your kit I don't have an istick but generally the advice seem to be to start low and work your way up watt by watt until you get a Vape you're happy with. This will vary from tank to tank and depending on the ohm rating of your coil.

OldMrBrennan83

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EGriff

Purple box have it, they are in temple bar.

http://purplebox.ie/collections/electronic-cigarette-clearomisers-batteries/products/eleaf-gs-air-clearomiser

E-smokeireland have it too as far as I know. They are in palmerstown shopping center.

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JH_raheny

Patww79 wrote: »

Got sorted out after and set up with the 30W iStick battery and the GS Air. What's the best Watts to have the battery at for coil longevity? I have it at 10W at the moment, though it's fairly strong at that (16mg liquid).

Haven't used the gs air but watts really depends on coil resistance and liquid used, 10 is a good medium so just play around a bit until you find what suits you

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Trond

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The GS Coils can take up to 20w but I think 15/16w is their sweet spot.

In comparison to the standard Kanger or Aspire coils the Eleaf ones are far superior.