Global Warming

Charlie19

I'm just not feeling it, Its the first of June and its fecking freezing.

We can all deal with the rain, we're use to that but hail stones in June is just wrong.

Tony Beetroot

Often got snow in June.

Charlie19

Tony Beetroot wrote: »

Often got snow in June.

In Scotland?

Junkyard Tom

As Albert Einstein said 'I don't know how WW3 will be fought but I know Honey Badgers will not give a shit'.

Atlantic Dawn

Global warming me hole, the world is cooling.

Tony Beetroot

Charlie19 wrote: »

In Scotland?

It snowed here anyway.

Alexis Sanchez

Well, first of all, global warming doesn't mean warmer weather for everyone, it's far more complex than that. It actually causes weather patterns to change. Ireland could suffer from heatwaves, droughts and even blizzards under global warming.

The planet stores most of its heat in the oceans and this causes the ice caps to melt quicker; it also causes more evaporation, which means more cloud and rain. The washout Summers of 2007 - 2012 are an example of what global warming could mean for Ireland.

If the ice caps melt, it could change the oceans current and Ireland is heavily influenced by the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream change direction or slow, Dublin could experience freezing cold Winters that other cities of similar latitudes experience. Dublin is on the same latitude as Edmonton, Canada and the average high in January there is -6.0°C.

There's also the increased risk of tropical storms reaching Ireland if the sea temperature keeps rising in the Atlantic. Ireland has never been hit by a hurricane because they tend to dissipate when they move over sea surface temperatures colder than 27°C, but that could change in the future. We recently set the record for the highest sea surface temperature of 20°C during the 2013 heatwave, so that could be a sign that the seas around Ireland are warming up.

Eugene Norman

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Well, first of all, global warming doesn't mean warmer weather for everyone, it's far more complex than that. It actually causes weather patterns to change. Ireland could suffer from heatwaves, droughts and even blizzards under global warming.

The planet stores most of its heat in the oceans and this causes the ice caps to melt quicker; it also causes more evaporation, which means more cloud and rain. The washout Summers of 2007 - 2012 are an example of what global warming could mean for Ireland.

If the ice caps melt, it could change the oceans current and Ireland is heavily influenced by the Gulf Stream. Should the Gulf Stream change direction or slow, Dublin could experience freezing cold Winters that other cities of similar latitudes experience. Dublin is on the same latitude as Edmonton, Canada and the average high in January there is -6.0°C.

There's also the increased risk of tropical storms reaching Ireland if the sea temperature keeps rising in the Atlantic. Ireland has never been hit by a hurricane because they tend to dissipate when they move over sea surface temperatures colder than 27°C, but that could change in the future. We recently set the record for the highest sea surface temperature of 20°C during the 2013 heatwave, so that could be a sign that the seas around Ireland are warming up.

The last two paragraphs are seriously contradictory. Global warming is happening. However some claims are over wrought.

ThinkProgress

The planet is dying because we've cut down most of the trees.

Trees are like "planet lungs". (yep, lungs for planets)

Watched it in a documentary one time. Or maybe I made it up? YOU decide!

DrGreenthumb

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The planet is dying because we've cut down most of the trees.

Trees are like "planet lungs". (yep, lungs for planets)

Watched it in a documentary one time. Or maybe I made it up? YOU decide!

got any photo's yn the sis?

ThinkProgress

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

got any photo's yn the sis?

Say waaahh?

mikemac1

Get with the times OP. Global warming is yesterdays news like the ozone layer

All the kids talk about climate change now :cool:

M5

someone needs to learn the difference between weather and climate

kneemos

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The planet is dying because we've cut down most of the trees.

Trees are like "planet lungs". (yep, lungs for planets)

Watched it in a documentary one time. Or maybe I made it up? YOU decide!

When they start tackling the real environmental disasters such as this and stop showing pictures of Polar Bears I might be interested.

AFAIK temperatures haven't increased in ten years,despite dire predictions.

NIMAN

Its climate change.
Its getting wetter and milder. Certainly not hotter, so don't waste your time waiting for high temps.

As for temps not increasing in the last 10yrs, its a very gradual process. It might shift up by a degree or two over many decades, so we might not notice much happening in our lifetime.

LDN_Irish

This pic explains all.

The Backwards Man

Climate change is what you get when you try to apply two hundred years of data to five billion years of weather.

Grayson

Anyone remember the daily mail headlines when we had the bad snow a few years ago? It was something like "-7 and they say global warming is real"


Because as Jon Stewart says global warming can't be real if it's cold where I am right now.

Rightwing

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Global warming me hole, the world is cooling.

Move to India

Capt'n Midnight

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Climate change is what you get when you try to apply two hundred years of data to five billion years of weather.

In fairness the weather 4.7Bn years ago was different. Dull sunshine , cloudy but feeling warm for this time of year

and a small chance of precipitation, as it looks like Theia will pass us by

Schadenfreudia

Here is an interesting prediction from 1958

http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

..the warming of the Arctic leading to an ice age in NW Europe!

biko

It is a bit nippy now that you mention it.

kneemos

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The planet is dying because we've cut down most of the trees.

Trees are like "planet lungs". (yep, lungs for planets)

Watched it in a documentary one time. Or maybe I made it up? YOU decide!

Hmmmmm.

Made up.

CruelCoin

NIMAN wrote: »

Its climate change.
Its getting wetter and milder. Certainly not hotter, so don't waste your time waiting for high temps.

As for temps not increasing in the last 10yrs, its a very gradual process. It might shift up by a degree or two over many decades, so we might not notice much happening in our lifetime.

Thats a lot of maybes.

Its a bunch of hippies moving the goalposts.

Global warming? Proven wrong, uh, uh, er, Climate Change! Yeah!

Cue 10 year plateau in global temps....uh, uh, er...

PopePalpatine

CruelCoin wrote: »

Thats a lot of maybes.

Its a bunch of hippies moving the goalposts.

Global warming? Proven wrong, uh, uh, er, Climate Change! Yeah!

Cue 10 year plateau in global temps....uh, uh, er...

Here's a thought: "climate change" replaced "global warming" to better reflect the evidence that's out there.

Schadenfreudia

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Here's a thought: "climate change" replaced "global warming" to better reflect the evidence that's out there.

I think "Global Warming" is a vastly more accurate description of what the IPCC is telling us is going on.

"Climate change" is meaningless as it has been going on constantly for the past 3 billion years at least.

If CC better reflects the evidence then the IPCC is getting everything wrong!

riffmongous

Anthropogenic Climate Change is the best term, the problem being the human contribution. Plenty of temperature records broke in Austria this summer, for the same reason Ireland had a **** summer

Schadenfreudia

riffmongous wrote: »

Anthropogenic Climate Change is the best term, the problem being the human contribution. Plenty of temperature records broke in Austria this summer, for the same reason Ireland had a **** summer

Anthropogenic Global Warming would be much better. The ACC is being caused by warming, simple as that.

If that isn't the case then all the science is wrong!

The use of "climate change" is merely a PR stroke to get around the "problem" of cold winters in America or cold summers in Ireland etc when "uninformed" people say things like "global warming my a*se".

That might be good PR but the phrase is still meaningless.

riffmongous

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Anthropogenic Global Warming would be much better. The ACC is being caused by warming, simple as that.

If that isn't the case then all the science is wrong!

The use of "climate change" is merely a PR stroke to get around the "problem" of cold winters in America or cold summers in Ireland etc when "uninformed" people say things like "global warming my a*se".

That might be good PR but the phrase is still meaningless.

No, it's not so simple, warming can cause long term global cooling through feedback effects. The atmosphere is so coimplicated as to not yet be fully understood and assuming warming will be the final end result is not certain. Plus warming or cooling does not matter really, rather that we are accelerating the process

Schadenfreudia

riffmongous wrote: »

No, it's not so simple, warming can cause long term global cooling through feedback effects.

Well if the warming is causing cooling then what's the problem! (Apart from the oxymoronic aspect of the sentence! )

Warming is warming; there may be local or temporary cooling effects but all the models are pointing to a rapidly heating world; vindication of the models is claimed by the rises in global temperature recorded.

If feedback or other complications are going to cause cooling over any extensive area then the IPCC models and projections are wrong - it really is that simple at all but a micro level in terms location.

Charlie19

I tell ya, I was feeling the cold today.

Streetwalker

Worst summer I can ever remember . Global warming my arse.

jimgoose

It's all terribly complicated and scientific, because the warming is actually cooling which is actually warming, which is of course cooling, and so on further and further up it's own hole until you reach Singularity, a.k.a. Al Gore's brain.

Schadenfreudia

Streetwalker wrote: »

Worst summer I can ever remember . Global warming my arse.

...and that's why they changed it to "climate change" :rolleyes:

Schadenfreudia

French weatherman fired for promoting book sceptical of climate change

Philippe Verdier of state-owned channel France 2 was taken off air in October for his book attacking ‘complete hype on the climate’

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/french-weatherman-fired-for-promoting-book-sceptical-of-climate-change

This is the sort of thing that fuels scepticism...his views will now have vastly more impact that they ever would if they had left him in place.

KomradeBishop

I think you mean 'skepticism' - as in doubt-mongering - not actual skepticism. I think him being fired is a good thing really, as it shows that there'll be a professional cost, for promoting nonsense - there's a lot of money that's been put into spreading doubt on this.

kneemos

KomradeBishop wrote: »

I think you mean 'skepticism' - as in doubt-mongering - not actual skepticism. I think him being fired is a good thing really, as it shows that there'll be a professional cost, for promoting nonsense - there's a lot of money that's been put into spreading doubt on this.

Now now.We know where unquestioning blind faith leads.

Schadenfreudia

KomradeBishop wrote: »

I think him being fired is a good thing really, as it shows that there'll be a professional cost, for promoting nonsense - there's a lot of money that's been put into spreading doubt on this.

Very totalitarian. But ultimately shooting yerself in the head....;)

KomradeBishop

About as totalitarian as firing a public health representative, who starts spouting homeopathy-based doubt-mongering, over accepted medical science.

When it comes to these 'skeptics', unquestioning blind faith in their pure motives - given the huge amount of evidence/precedent of impure motives among climate 'skeptics' - would itself require a huge lack of skepticism. Funny that - 'skepticism' is all good, until it comes time to applying actual real skepticism, to the 'skeptics'.

Schadenfreudia

KomradeBishop wrote: »

About as totalitarian as firing a public health representative, who starts spouting homeopathy-based doubt-mongering, over accepted medical science.

I think not. Medical science is rather more advanced that climate science; especially when it comes to forecasting outcomes and prescribing treatments!

Either way, actions such as this help the "deniers" and aid the "sceptics".

There is psychology and politics involved in this debate; in regard to both this is a self-inflicted would for those trying to push for action against global warming.

KomradeBishop

Not really - climate science has a pretty lock-tight forecast of what is going to happen in the future, and how to stop/'treat' it.

The idea that this will help any deniers/'skeptics' is silly really - hopefully it's the setting of a trend, that sees an increasing loss of professional credibility, for people who support such nonsensical views - having the psychological effect of discrediting them among the public, and the political effect of marginalizing them and limiting their ability to influence politics.

kneemos

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Not really - climate science has a pretty lock-tight forecast of what is going to happen in the future, and how to stop/'treat' it.



Dude!


Seriously.

KomradeBishop

kneemos wrote: »

Dude!


Seriously.

Pretty much anyone who hasn't bought into the faux-'skeptic' nonsense - and has watched the news or read a newspaper anytime in the last decade or two - knows that we're forecast a global rise in average temperature in the future, with the blindingly obvious and frequently-advocated solution to that, being reducing the overall worldwide carbon output.

This is a settled conclusion among scientists - with the primary groups left peddling doubt, largely doing it for self-interested or corrupt reasons - often funded by the oil industry, the same way the tobacco industry funded doubt-mongering about smoking and cancer, for decades - both things that are well documented/proven.