Silk Road Founder, Ross Ulbricht, Gets Life In Prison Without Parole

uch

And can I add it has taken my entire life, but I'm lucky, I got off it, but I still look like a junkie

DoYouEvenLift

uch wrote: »

I think my experience is pretty knowledgeable compared to those who don't to be honest, because those who don't, quiet frankly don't know

With your experience, what are your opinions on current drug policies and how both drug users and dealers are handled?

uch

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

With your experience, what are your opinions on current drug policies and how both drug users and dealers are handled?

I think there should be needle exchanges for users, to minimise virus transfer and major dealers should be given minimum life sentences

uch

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

With your experience, what are your opinions on current drug policies and how both drug users and dealers are handled?

Listen D, I'm not an expert either, I was just targeted when I was a kid, so i'm only talking from my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different story, I was lucky, I'm clean from gear for years, and drug free for about 2, so I'm not the be all and end all.

DoYouEvenLift

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

What are your thoughts on CEOs of tobacco and alcohol companies?

Haha so many posts remind me of of the misc, surprised you didn't say what about the tobacco/alcohol ceo 10k/day

silverfeather

Personal Penis wrote: »

Video of the verdict here:

brilliant name

corner of hells

uch wrote: »

I think there should be needle exchanges for users, to minimise virus transfer and major dealers should be given minimum life sentences

There are needle exchanges , static and outreach and a programme now where some pharmacies are providing exchanges.

DoYouEvenLift

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Haha so many posts remind me of of the misc, surprised you didn't say what about the tobacco/alcohol ceo 10k/day

I ain't bout that life jerrel

Jesus Wept

uch wrote: »

Listen D, I'm not an expert either, I was just targeted when I was a kid, so i'm only talking from my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different story, I was lucky, I'm clean from gear for years, and drug free for about 2, so I'm not the be all and end all.

Best of luck uch

Lyaiera

I have a lot of respect for him for founding The Silk Road. He disagreed with the laws and was willing to risk his freedom in an act of civil disobedience to get the laws changed.

Batgurl

Ross didn't deserve life without parole. Yes he ****ed up. He knows this and went on the record as saying he agreed he should serve a large portion of his middle life for the mistakes that he made.

But to deny a guy parole? He set up a website. That's it. This bull**** about having people killed-no evidence of any deaths.

And for anyone saying he caused deaths by drugs? That's like saying a gun company is responsible for someone's death. Ummm pretty sure it's the person who pulled the trigger who is...

He's a scapegoat for a justice system who wants to be seen to deal with a problem without actually dealing with the problem.

Grayson

Charles Manson gets parole hearings and this guy doesn't.....

galljga1

Grayson wrote: »

Charles Manson gets parole hearings and this guy doesn't.....

Yeah, and poor auld Charlie didn't actually kill anyone, similar to Ross.

Fratton Fred

Lyaiera wrote: »

I have a lot of respect for him for founding The Silk Road. He disagreed with the laws and was willing to risk his freedom in an act of civil disobedience to get the laws changed.

So it was a personal campaign to liberate us all from nasty government laws?

And there's me thinking he was trying to make himself a shed load of money by facilitating the buying and selling of illegal substances.

BoJack Horseman

Lyaiera wrote: »

I have a lot of respect for him for founding The Silk Road. He disagreed with the laws and was willing to risk his freedom....

He was a skag dealer on a monumental scale.

People canonising this dickhead like he's Ghandi!

act of civil disobedience to get the laws changed.

The $14m in commission accrued suggests less than altruistic intents.

renegademaster

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/29/technology/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-prison-sentence/

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/founder-silk-road-drug-marketplace-195900814.html




Good job, war on drugs! Well done, American justice system. This guy who create a site for ADULTS to buy substances that they chose, as ADULTS, to use is given a far harsher sentence than murderers and child molesters. There seems to have been no evidence for him ordering to have people murdered yet he received a sentence as if there was.


I think he should definitely be sentenced to serve time in prison but not life and should also get parole because, although I feel some drugs that were available on the site should be completely legal, he did seem to condone a lot of other criminal activity that took place on there. There are still plenty of other far worse sites on the deep web that should have founders and members receive sentences like this yet here they are just desperately trying to make an example out of this guy.


And then the moronic parents who think their kids should have no personal accountability for the choices they made when they're the ones who decided to take drugs and overdose. If they didn't get drugs from his site they would've gotten drugs from elsewhere - the bottom line is they wanted drugs regardless. Cringeworthy. Laughable!

The American government have been protecting the afghani poppy fields that supply 90% of the worlds street heroin for over a decade, have been working with drug cartels in all the major production countries including Mexico and Columbia, they've facilitated money laundering for their connections through various banks such as HSBC and shipped drugs around the world through the CIA and they don't like competition

darkpagandeath

Did the lad that facilitated child porn server hosting not try the "I only supplied the infrastructure". Amazing no one is defending him..

renegademaster

MightyMandarin wrote: »

They aren't, but they certainly make it harder for people like him to quit. Drug addiction is ridiculously hard to kick, and sites like Silk Road make it a lot more convenient to obtain drugs, and harder for him to kick his addiction.

I don't think he should've been denied the possibility of applying for parole, but the guy was a scumbag imo, and deserves a lengthy sentence.

The very same government the prosecuted DPR are in bed with international crime syndicates that are a million times worse than anything DPR got up to and the levels of trade they're into would dwarf the couple of hundred million DPR made, we're talking billions when it comes to US/international drug cartels

darkpagandeath

renegademaster wrote: »

The very same government the prosecuted DPR are in bed with international crime syndicates that are a million times worse than anything DPR got up to and the levels of trade they're into would dwarf the couple of hundred million DPR made, we're talking billions when it comes to US/international drug cartels

Would this be from some guy claiming he knows the "TRUTH" ?

renegademaster

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Not really. They're all drugs that us as adults can choose to either consume or not consume, it's just tobacco and alcohol happen to be 'legal'. Alcohol is more detrimental to one's health than marijuana and other illegal drugs so since we're disregarding the personal responsibility and accountability of the 'users' here then the CEOs of alcohol companies should then be considered as bad as drug dealers and people like Ross Ulbricht.

I quit my job in a bar a few years back as I wanted nothing more to do with providing people with alcohol every night, it was a pure disgust

darkpagandeath

We don't have the marijuana of the old day's like the 60s. We have super skunk and highly strong variations that can lead to psychosis.

renegademaster

uch wrote: »

Have you any idea what problems Heroin does to a family

Alcohol abuse features heavily in most sexual and/or violent abuse cases

darkpagandeath

renegademaster wrote: »

Alcohol abuse features heavily in most sexual and/or violent abuse cases

People have deliberately ran over other people in cars. Is that a reason to ban all cars ?

renegademaster

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So it was a personal campaign to liberate us all from nasty government laws?

And there's me thinking he was trying to make himself a shed load of money by facilitating the buying and selling of illegal substances.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?IR=T


CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel


"El Vicentillo" being presented to the media in Mexico City on March 19, 2009.

An investigation by El Universal found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed the organization to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs while Sinaloa provided information on rival cartels.

Sinaloa, led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, supplies 80% of the drugs entering the Chicago area and has a presence in cities across the U.S.

There have long been allegations that Guzman, considered to be "the world’s most powerful drug trafficker," coordinates with American authorities.

But the El Universal investigation is the first to publish court documents that include corroborating testimony from a DEA agent and a Justice Department official.

The written statements were made to the U.S. District Court in Chicago in relation to the arrest of Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, the son of Sinaloa leader Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada and allegedly the Sinaloa cartel’s "logistics coordinator."

Here's what DEA agent Manuel Castanon told the Chicago court:

"On March 17, 2009, I met for approximately 30 minutes in a hotel room in Mexico City with Vincente Zambada-Niebla and two other individuals — DEA agent David Herrod and a cooperating source [Sinaloa lawyer Loya Castro] with whom I had worked since 2005. ... I did all of the talking on behalf of [the] DEA."

A few hours later, Mexican Marines arrested Zambada-Niebla (a.k.a. "El Vicentillo") on charges of trafficking more than a billion dollars in cocaine and heroin. Castanon and three other agents then visited Zambada-Niebla in prison, where the Sinaloa officer "reiterated his desire to cooperate," according to Castanon.

El Universal, citing court documents, reports that DEA agents met with high-level Sinaloa officials such as Castro more than 50 times since 2000.

Then-Justice Department prosecutor Patrick Hearn told the Chicago court that, according to DEA special agent Steve Fraga, Castro "provided information leading to a 23-ton cocaine seizure, other seizures related to" various drug trafficking organizations, and that "El Mayo" Zambada wanted his son to cooperate with the U.S.

renegademaster

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Would this be from some guy claiming he knows the "TRUTH" ?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?IR=T


CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel

"El Vicentillo" being presented to the media in Mexico City on March 19, 2009.

An investigation by El Universal found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed the organization to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs while Sinaloa provided information on rival cartels.

Sinaloa, led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, supplies 80% of the drugs entering the Chicago area and has a presence in cities across the U.S.

There have long been allegations that Guzman, considered to be "the world’s most powerful drug trafficker," coordinates with American authorities.

But the El Universal investigation is the first to publish court documents that include corroborating testimony from a DEA agent and a Justice Department official.

The written statements were made to the U.S. District Court in Chicago in relation to the arrest of Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, the son of Sinaloa leader Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada and allegedly the Sinaloa cartel’s "logistics coordinator."

Here's what DEA agent Manuel Castanon told the Chicago court:

"On March 17, 2009, I met for approximately 30 minutes in a hotel room in Mexico City with Vincente Zambada-Niebla and two other individuals — DEA agent David Herrod and a cooperating source [Sinaloa lawyer Loya Castro] with whom I had worked since 2005. ... I did all of the talking on behalf of [the] DEA."

A few hours later, Mexican Marines arrested Zambada-Niebla (a.k.a. "El Vicentillo") on charges of trafficking more than a billion dollars in cocaine and heroin. Castanon and three other agents then visited Zambada-Niebla in prison, where the Sinaloa officer "reiterated his desire to cooperate," according to Castanon.

El Universal, citing court documents, reports that DEA agents met with high-level Sinaloa officials such as Castro more than 50 times since 2000.

Then-Justice Department prosecutor Patrick Hearn told the Chicago court that, according to DEA special agent Steve Fraga, Castro "provided information leading to a 23-ton cocaine seizure, other seizures related to" various drug trafficking organizations, and that "El Mayo" Zambada wanted his son to cooperate with the U.S.

renegademaster

http://rt.com/news/249665-afghanistan-opium-us-operation/

renegademaster

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Would this be from some guy claiming he knows the "TRUTH" ?

You have absolutely no fcking clue what you are talking about

darkpagandeath

renegademaster wrote: »

You have absolutely no fcking clue what you are talking about

Cutting deals and turning a blind eye is nothing new in the world well maybe to some.

renegademaster

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Cutting deals and turning a blind eye is nothing new in the world well maybe to some.

I was referring to your personal comment towards me

darkpagandeath

renegademaster wrote: »

I was referring to your personal comment towards me

What personal comment ?