S05E07 - The Gift - Have READ the books

Taboola

Thought on a whole the episode was good. I like the way they are speeding some things up i.e. Ser Friendzone and Tryion meeting Dany but not so much the death of Aemon. So I guess we aren't going to get to see Old Town this season then? I actually closed my eyes when watching the Ramsey/Sansa scene because I was full sure he was going to show her the corpse of Brienne.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

As a side note I am loving Mormont being referred to as Ser Friendzone.

Mr.Prodston

Well the prediction that Mel would want to sacrifice Shireen was accurate. I presume there's no way in hell that Stannis or Davos would allow that to happen, especially after all that they've done with Stannis this year. But then again you never know do you the way things have been going this season...

Haha I was thinking about Euron while Daario and Dany were in bed but it's highly doubtful. If Daario were to be Benjen then Tyrion would know that so we can probably prepare to rule that out next week, not so sure he'd have had much to do with any Ironborn though.

How much more interesting would Jaime dealing with the siege of Riverrun and the Blackfish have been this season in comparison to the Dorne abomination so far. I just hope they don't do a Ser Barristan on Bronn but that's probably wishful thinking at this point.

The scenes with Aemon were very well done, we lost him and Bill O'Herlihy on the same day The scenes in the North are easily the most interesting of the season for me.

Cersei getting her comeuppance was sweet too.

Mormegil

Graham_B18C wrote: »

What is people's take on Reek in that one? Did he plan on going up and lighting the candle for Sansa and Ramsey happened to be there? Or did he just go running to him?

I'd like to think he was going to try save her but surely he'd know where Ramsey eats his dinner!

Theon thought about helping Sansa for a moment or two, we see him glance up at the broken tower but where he ends up is a different tower (Ramsays own quarters by the looks of it).

Sleepy wrote: »

Loved that Sam got his moment of bravery before Ghost saved the day for him. Could've done with an explanation as to why Jon would venture north of the wall without Ghost though!

Jon is travelling by ship, maybe he thought having Ghost on board wouldn't be the best idea. Leaving him at castle Black he knows Sam is there to feed him.

Mr.Prodston

Sam giving Jon Dragonglass too at the beginning.

I'm going to make a wild guess here and say we may be meeting some Others in Hardhome or somewhere north of the wall :pac:

duploelabs

Seeing as how Tyrion's storyline has been accelerated he's now the only person to have met both Dany And Jon

podgemonster

I also disagree with the who "Sansa gone back to the way she was in Kings Landing" sentiment. Sansa's alertness in every scene is visibly different to previous seasons where most of the time her head was bowed to avoid attention. She is looking for weakness and for allies.

In this episode she learned some valuable things. Reek is loyal to Ramsay to a fault, she will need more than words to manipulate him. Yet she knows he holds a great guilt, she can't use him against Ramsay but she can use him elsewhere.

She also goaded Ramsay to let him slip that Jon Snow is in a position of power and not too far away. She also planted the seeds of doubt in Ramsay's mind of how fragile his nobility is, legitimized by a questionable King.

She also swiped up a corkscrew, which will be a useful last resort action to get out of danger.

Taboola

podgemonster wrote: »

In this episode she learned some valuable things. Reek is loyal to Ramsay to a fault, she will need more than words to manipulate him. Yet she knows he holds a great guilt, she can't use him against Ramsay but she can use him elsewhere.

I actually thought that he was going to light the candle but didn't and confessed when he saw Ramsey.

Nody

Only thinking out loud here but could they be moving to skip the whole "stabby mc stab" scene and instead have John march up to the wall with the wildlings and Others on their back basically only to have the Crows refusing to open the gate as the betrayal. They would not kill him themselves (to not kill a brother) but would still achieve the same end (Sam trying to open the gate but being blocked by the rest) with Snow dying and going into Ghost to line up with the book.

Mickeroo

Taboola wrote: »

I actually thought that he was going to light the candle but didn't and confessed when he saw Ramsey.

No he went to a different tower, the broken tower is derelict, Ramsey wouldn't be eating dinner in there.

Annoying how many times non-readers talk about 'exactly the kind of thing George RR Martin would do'. Just an irrational annoyance of mine when reading the other thread or in general non book discussion. There's a lot in the show he wouldn't do more than he would do tbh

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I don't know if they'll go with the Wargging into Ghost bit for Snow. I think it would be very difficult to portray that on screen for an extended part of series 6 without the audience getting well fed up of it. The option then would be grievously wound Snow who goes into Ghost until his body recovers, or just kill him off altogether.

Mickeroo

I reckon the stabbing will happen, they're laying on the foreshadowing so thick at the moment.

I don't think Jon will warg into Ghost though, probably be just resurrected by Mel. Surely they would have established him as having some warging capability by now if it was going to happen? In the show Bran is the only Stark warg as far as we know. Could be saving it as a wtf moment too though I suppose.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Ah yeah I think he's in for an old stabaroo alright, probably by that young lad who is his steward. Lots of lingering shots of him looking very shifty. Was the wargging ever confirmed in the book? I'm still not sure I buy it to be honest.

Mickeroo

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Ah yeah I think he's in for an old stabaroo alright, probably by that young lad who is his steward. Lots of lingering shots of him looking very shifty. Was the wargging ever confirmed in the book? I'm still not sure I buy it to be honest.

All the pov Stark children bar Sansa are shown to warg in the books. It's hinted that Robb was but not confirmed.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Is it my imagination, but is this season after catching up to the books in almost every respect? Its a while since I read the last 2 books, but cercei, jon snow,stannis & arya, all seem to be where they are at the end of those books, & tyrion (and dany by association) has actually gone further.

I'm in two minds as to whether or not I think they've done the right thing. - I agree with cutting a lot of the side characters, but the way they've done some of the stuff instead has been poor. That being said, Another season of Dany farting around freeing slaves isn't the slightest bit appealing to me, and I wouldn't be keen on having Sansas arc drawn out much further.

Sleepy

Mormegil wrote: »

Jon is travelling by ship, maybe he thought having Ghost on board wouldn't be the best idea. Leaving him at castle Black he knows Sam is there to feed him.

And four lines of dialogue just as he was saying his farewell to Sam would have made that obvious: "take care of Ghost"

Jofspring

On the Danareys storyline, based on a pic I saw -

I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of Danareys lying on a rock with her clothes burnt and ripped, most likely after flying away on drogon. Likely that they will still end up leaving it there like the book if that's the case. What happens with herself and Tyrion before that will be interesting

I reckon Loras trial by combat, which exonerates Marge and Cersei takes the mother's punishment that the high sparrow talked of. Which involves going through town in the nip.

MonkeyTennis

Best episode so far but have to admit Im confused as hell with all the changes.

Mr Freeze

Liam O wrote: »

I reckon Loras trial by combat, which exonerates Marge and Cersei takes the mother's punishment that the high sparrow talked of. Which involves going through town in the nip.

In the books didn't Margery just go for a normal Trial? Which made her look innocent or not as guilty as Cersei looks when she goes for trial by combat.

Nody

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Was the wargging ever confirmed in the book? I'm still not sure I buy it to be honest.

He was confirmed as a shapeshifter in the books by other shapeshifter who hated him (can't recall his name, seven something I think) and he had his dreams when he was in his direwolf's mind hunting etc.

Sleepy

Liam O wrote: »

I reckon Loras trial by combat, which exonerates Marge and Cersei takes the mother's punishment that the high sparrow talked of. Which involves going through town in the nip.

Loras v Lancel?

Stone Deaf 4evr

Sleepy wrote: »

Loras v Lancel?

lancel was a squire at best, loras would annihilate him in single combat.

Sleepy

Yep, but the writers can hardly send Loras up against the mountain (who no-one knows about bar Cersei who's in a cell and Qyburn who's unlikely to offer assistance to the High Septon). The poor fellows and the Warriors Sons seem to have been merged in the series and we've not been introduced to any of them bar Lancel who has considerably bulked up since we last saw him as something of a fop in Season 2...

Who else is there for Loras to fight?

I'm presuming that Loras must win any trial by combat as he still seems to have a role in the books as does Margaery... Could be wrong though, maybe they'll all be killed in the series forcing Kevan Lannister to return to Kings Landing to guide Tommen's rule?

Bogsnorkler

Sleepy wrote: »

Yep, but the writers can hardly send Loras up against the mountain (who no-one knows about bar Cersei who's in a cell and Qyburn who's unlikely to offer assistance to the High Septon). The poor fellows and the Warriors Sons seem to have been merged in the series and we've not been introduced to any of them bar Lancel who has considerably bulked up since we last saw him as something of a fop in Season 2...

Who else is there for Loras to fight?

Perhaps another character who's recently seen the light of the Seven?

Last seen working in a monastery?

Popular character unseen this season so far?

Hyzepher

Jofspring wrote: »

Fighting pits were disappointing if that's all we will see of them. Thought it would be a big fight similar to that of Roman fights in the Colosseum.

Pretty sure they weren't the fighting pits but some sort of audition for the fighting pits that happen in local towns. She was just there as part of some tradition.

Turtyturd

In terms of story quality and production quality, the further south the show goes the worse it gets. The wall and Winterfell stuff is head and shoulders above anything else and maintaining the grim, gritty feel and quality of the earlier seasons.

Kings Landing is so-so, while Dorne is just like another show completely. The scene with Bronn probably would have been the worst of the show if not for last weeks fight scene.

I am glad to see Ramsey has toned down the overacting a bit. He never really fit with the tone of the show, and his facial expressions were like something from a game of thrones comedy sketch. He seems much more menacing now.

Was good to see Ghost. I thought his absence was intentional to create a shock moment after Jon gets stabbed. I am still back and forth about Jon's death. I think with Ollie scowling at him/the camera 3times per episode it will follow the books fairly closely, however there was something that was said last week that had me leaning towards the theory of him coming back

as a wight

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I also think people are going ott with the criticism of the changes. For the first four seasons the original material was there so people could see how it was simplified to fit the show. Now people have no comparison so are just slating the show for being too simple.

Sleepy

Bogsnorkler wrote: »

Perhaps another character who's recently seen the light of the Seven?

Last seen working in a monastery?

Popular character unseen this season so far?

We haven't seen him in the monastery in the TV show so I think it's unlikely... besides, if Sandor reappears to fight Loras, who's going to win Cleganebowl?

Also, Sandor v Loras could only ever have one winner and it would result in the deaths of both Loras and Margaery Tyrell which I can't see the showrunners going with. It'd leave Olenna as the only member left of her family that we've really been introduced to and would surely see the Tyrell army destroy Kings Landing while routing the faith millitant.

FunLover18

Taboola wrote:

I actually thought that he was going to light the candle but didn't and confessed when he saw Ramsey.

I had assumed that Theon had gone to the light the candle but Ramsey was always aware of Sansa's friends and was waiting for whoever showed up. Clearly I was wrong though