Sledging, the latest strategy re winning at all costs

Field east

I was informed recently that a number of the Tipp u/21 footballers were taunted with obscene language being used. In one instance was to do with what the offender said he would do to a Tipp players sister. I said to myself at the time immediately after the match ' would it have been of benefit if the Tipp management had a chat with the Roscommon management.

The sledging tool has just been raised as a very serious issue by Donegal management. - the most recent occurrence being a recent minor championship match between DOnegal and - guess what - Tyrone.
I am wondering was Roscommon 'sledged' during its u 21 match with Tyrone and if so was the Tipp management aware of it. If all players were fitted out with the electronics that a 6 nations referee is fitted with to pick up ongoing commentary then the ref would have little or no time left to ref the football element - spending most of his time monitoring/ acting on the sledging as well as to rule on all the pulling and dragging in front and behind his back.
My overall feeling is that Tipp were caught badly napping on the non football elements of the game. A big disappointment for what was a very good team.

Field east

Following on from my last post , is it now time for those counties , clubs which have been subjected to this practice , to come out and name it with a view to putting an end to it. Who on earth is the initiator of this practice , especially at county level and starting with the minor and u/21 players ? And what kind of individuals , practising this strategy, will they turn out to be?

iDave

Puke football still in vogue. Can we save this latest overreaction for a few years.

Hitchens

Field east wrote: »

I was informed recently that a number of the Tipp u/21 footballers were taunted with obscene language being used. In one instance was to do with what the offender said he would do to a Tipp players sister. I said to myself at the time immediately after the match ' would it have been of benefit if the Tipp management had a chat with the Roscommon management.

The sledging tool has just been raised as a very serious issue by Donegal management. - the most recent occurrence being a recent minor championship match between DOnegal and - guess what - Tyrone.
I am wondering was Roscommon 'sledged' during its u 21 match with Tyrone and if so was the Tipp management aware of it. If all players were fitted out with the electronics that a 6 nations referee is fitted with to pick up ongoing commentary then the ref would have little or no time left to ref the football element - spending most of his time monitoring/ acting on the sledging as well as to rule on all the pulling and dragging in front and behind his back.
My overall feeling is that Tipp were caught badly napping on the non football elements of the game. A big disappointment for what was a very good team.

you must never have played if you think this kind of stuff is new

Dirty Dingus McGee

As long as there is a scoreboard a win at all costs attitude is what we will get.

It's completely scummy behaviour from the Tyrone Minors that taunted the Donegal player about his fathers death and to be honest he should be facing an extremely long ban if not a lifetime ban from ever playing GAA but I expect the GAA will bury their heads in the sand and do nothing serious about it.

megadodge

How naive people must be if they think this is a new phenomonon.
I could go through a whole host of things I heard of fellas saying 25+ years ago and it was as crude as anything that's supposed to be doing the rounds today.

I'm not saying it's right, but yet again we have the uninitiated going doolally over the latest 'exposé' in some rag or some losing manager not being able to take his beating and whinging after.

If you can't ignore some stupid sh!te the opposition are throwing your way, you shouldn't be on the pitch, as they'll figure it out pretty quickly and won't let up until you react.

zetecescort

if you react by breaking their jaw they'll be quiet for a while. can't wait until somebody stands up to these bullies

Kristopherus

Is Sledging the new word for Slagging?

GAAman

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

As long as there is a scoreboard a win at all costs attitude is what we will get.

It's completely scummy behaviour from the Tyrone Minors that taunted the Donegal player about his fathers death and to be honest he should be facing an extremely long ban if not a lifetime ban from ever playing GAA but I expect the GAA will bury their heads in the sand and do nothing serious about it.

The tyrone county board have already stated they investigated it and "found no evidence of merit to the allegations" so unlikely anything will happen unless audio was recorded.

In this instance it was disgusting, the idea of doing 'Homework' like that is disgusting, but having someone talk in your ear like that is as new as sliced bread.

homerjay2005

why is it nearly always Tyrone thats involved in every unsavory incident in GAA.

Dirty Dingus McGee

GAAman wrote: »

The tyrone county board have already stated they investigated it and "found no evidence of merit to the allegations" so unlikely anything will happen unless audio was recorded.

In this instance it was disgusting, the idea of doing 'Homework' like that is disgusting, but having someone talk in your ear like that is as new as sliced bread.

It must have happened as I cannot imagine that any player would make up something like that so I still think the GAA should do something and punish the players involved.

It's been going on for years alright but it still doesn't make it acceptable and without wanting to condone violence personally I agree with the poster above that a broken jaw would solve it fairly quickly

frostyjacks

Innocent until proven guilty and all that. I'd rather what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch; this is unseemly for all parties involved.

zetecescort

Kristopherus wrote: »

Is Sledging the new word for Slagging?

gotten a lot worse than calling lads fat or that they couldn't score in a whore house. involving players families and personal lives is disgusting

listermint

I thought "sure your oul one was telling me the same thing last night" was always an adequate defence .

tipparetops

Sledging is dreadful to see, but it has always existed and is near impossible to stop. How would you police it.
I believe the softening of Gaelic Football has made sledging worse, as players cannot react or they could be sent off.

Kristopherus

zetecescort wrote: »

gotten a lot worse than calling lads fat or that they couldn't score in a whore house. involving players families and personal lives is disgusting

Absolutely agree. But all that has grown from slagging. As for how long its been going on, its a long time since i heard the story of one well-known player saying to an opponent "Great day for a hanging". This was a reference to the suicide of a member of the opponent's family.

Browney7

homerjay2005 wrote: »

why is it nearly always Tyrone thats involved in every unsavory incident in GAA.

My thoughts exactly

Boom__Boom

homerjay2005 wrote: »

why is it nearly always Tyrone thats involved in every unsavory incident in GAA.

The fact that Ryan McMenamin is part of the Tyrone minor management team says a world about the culture in Tyrone. You can make all the statements about respect and decency you want but when you appoint someone with his track record as a player as part of a manager team over young lads, it all counts for nothing.

frostyjacks

I think some people are confusing sledging with verbal abuse. Sledging is harmless, in other sports it's almost celebrated. Tyrone would be mad not to have someone with Ricey's achievements involved with development squads.

randd1

Remember hearing a story off a neighbour who happens to a former Kilkenny hurler about Eddie Brennan having dogs abuse being levelled at him in a game by an opponent, sister, mother, him being a guard, the works.

Your man was at this all game. Brennan never said a word. Brennan did get a goal and a couple of points, but your man kept going. At the end of the game your man went to shake Brennan's hand. As they were shaking hands, Brennan is supposed to have said to your man "while you were busy mouthing, I was scoring. Who's been made look a f***ing eejit today?"

It's a story I've heard a few times about the Kilkenny hurlers. Another one was Taggy Fogarty, a lad yapping in his ear all game in a league match. Kilkenny started winning the game well. Your man made a comment to Fogarty towards the end of the game. Fogarty apparently just smiled in your mans face and pointed to the scoreboard.

Sometimes it's better to say nothing and let your skill do the talking.

Stoner

In all fairness these things couldn't be proved either way at the moment.
Someone could pretend they were said, that will happen too, we've seen players form counties (more than one) that have won the Al over the past 5 years pretend or exaggerate a physical injury.
If they pretend to be hit to get a lad sent off the same person would lie about being insulted.

fullstop

Stoner wrote: »

In all fairness these things couldn't be proved either way at the moment.
Someone could pretend they were said, that will happen too, we've seen players form counties (more than one) that have won the Al over the past 5 years pretend or exaggerate a physical injury.
If they pretend to be hit to get a lad sent off the same person would lie about being insulted.

Ah now come on...it's one thing a player saying he was getting verbally abused during the game. This happens in every game. It's another thing altogether a minor coming out and saying he was slagged about his dead father in a match. Why would he make that up after they had won the match, or at all for that matter. With regard to the Tyrone 'investigation', do you really think a 17 or 18 year old is going to put his hand up and admitting to doing something like that when the flaming pitchforks are lined up waiting for him?

Stoner

That's true. I'm not saying that case never happened. I'm just making a point that of someone would pretend he was hit he would pretend he was insulted.
I never mentioned that case. I'm not talking about that lad at all. I'm talking about the general difficulty monitoring this type of thing. This is under the banner of win at all costs.

Blaming it on the Ulster lads is ridiculous too. I could name three players from my own country that appear to do this every game.
This practice of stereotyping fans from different provinces or between counties within those province is getting tiring and it's all over the top too.

Something an individual does or even two or three do should not reflect so heavily on the whole team or its fans.

If the Tyrone team investigated this I'm pretty sure of two things.
1. they'd say in public they found nothing
2. They would deal with it if they found it to be true,

I'm sure that the management team did not encourage that, but they won't hang their own player out to dry on it.

galwaylad14

I'm sure it's been in the game for years but calling a lad fat or useless is one thing. But that comment about the Donegal players father is just a disgrace. No one should ever resort to something like that to get inside a guy's head.

I'm never one to try lay the blame all at one team's door as generally it does take two to tango I think but having said that there just seems to be so many of these incidents that involve Tyrone teams. There just seems to be something very wrong in the culture of Tyrone GAA. Some of the incidents they've been involved with over the years have been very unsavoury but those comments supposedly made by that minor are the worst of the lot. And coming so hot on the heels of the carry on of both their senior and under 21 teams recently just compounds it I think.

If he is indeed found guilty of that comment then the player in question should be banned for life, no question about it.

Clareman

F**king joke making an issue about this, a player I played with at underage used to get dogs abuse cause his father was a teacher, that was 20 years ago. There's a lot of stories about comments between 2 sets of players, I've been told some of the things that were supposed to have been said to Clare players in the past as well, some of which led to some backlash.

Hitchens

Clareman wrote: »

F**king joke making an issue about this, a player I played with at underage used to get dogs abuse cause his father was a teacher, that was 20 years ago. There's a lot of stories about comments between 2 sets of players, I've been told some of the things that were supposed to have been said to Clare players in the past as well, some of which led to some backlash.

yeah, and what did Ring say to Mackey?

fullstop

Stoner wrote: »

That's true. I'm not saying that case never happened. I'm just making a point that of someone would pretend he was hit he would pretend he was insulted.
I never mentioned that case. I'm not talking about that lad at all. I'm talking about the general difficulty monitoring this type of thing. This is under the banner of win at all costs.

Blaming it on the Ulster lads is ridiculous too. I could name three players from my own country that appear to do this every game.
This practice of stereotyping fans from different provinces or between counties within those province is getting tiring and it's all over the top too.

Something an individual does or even two or three do should not reflect so heavily on the whole team or its fans.

If the Tyrone team investigated this I'm pretty sure of two things.
1. they'd say in public they found nothing
2. They would deal with it if they found it to be true,

I'm sure that the management team did not encourage that, but they won't hang their own player out to dry on it.

Sorry took you up wrong, thought you were talking about the minor incident at the end of your original post. I agree with everything you say in this one.

Santa Cruz

Some smart arse made unsavoury comment about my sister as we ran our after scoring a goal. The ref was running out as well. I gave him a good box and he was caught retaliating just as the ref turned. Red card. Pick your moment to get revenge

Dirty Dingus McGee

Clareman wrote: »

F**king joke making an issue about this, a player I played with at underage used to get dogs abuse cause his father was a teacher, that was 20 years ago. There's a lot of stories about comments between 2 sets of players, I've been told some of the things that were supposed to have been said to Clare players in the past as well, some of which led to some backlash.

There is a big difference between giving a player abuse because his father is a teacher and giving a player abuse because his father died.

Stoner

That's true but this thread is not limited to that incident, inspired maybe, but it is about the strategy of using these things to win at all costs

Clareman

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

There is a big difference between giving a player abuse because his father is a teacher and giving a player abuse because his father died.

So what's the line and who decides on it? There's a line between banter and abuse, personally I think using the whole "having the bants" as a cop out, but it'll happen every day.

Players will always seek to give the upper hand over an opponent in anyway possible, if that involved using verbals then they will do it, it also happens in every sport, look at the high profile cases in the Premiership with Suarez and Terry as examples.

This whole "leave it on the pitch", my b0llix leave it on the pitch, you always waited for the next game. As for hurling being all clean, some of the abuse handed to players from the terrace is bad, don't tell me that players weren't saying it to each other.

Stinicker

In the first meeting of Kerry and Cork in 2002 in Croke Park, a Cork player allegedly made disgraceful comments to the O'Se brothers after the death of their father, Paudi was informed at half time, a Kerry player was introduced especially in the second half to do a job on the offender, a breaking ball came down the sideline and the Kerry player drove the offender straight out over the sideline with a belt of a shoulder and when the Cork player got up he was given a Muhammed Ali straight into the neck and the Kerry player continued to hammer forty shades of daylights out of him down the ground, the schmozzle drew in other players and the Kerry and Cork player both saw red for the incident. Job done! Cork finished with 13 men and Kerry finished with 15 points to spare. Paudi knew how to deal with scumbaggery.

The fact that involves Tyrone is of no surprise at all, Ryan McMenamin should have been given a lifetime ban years ago as should have had Goalkeeper Pascal McConnell.

Santa Cruz

Stinicker wrote: »

In the first meeting of Kerry and Cork in 2002 in Croke Park, a Cork player allegedly made disgraceful comments to the O'Se brothers after the death of their father, Paudi was informed at half time, a Kerry player was introduced especially in the second half to do a job on the offender, a breaking ball came down the sideline and the Kerry player drove the offender straight out over the sideline with a belt of a shoulder and when the Cork player got up he was given a Muhammed Ali straight into the neck and the Kerry player continued to hammer forty shades of daylights out of him down the ground, the schmozzle drew in other players and the Kerry and Cork player both saw red for the incident. Job done! Cork finished with 13 men and Kerry finished with 15 points to spare. Paudi knew how to deal with scumbaggery.

The fact that involves Tyrone is of no surprise at all, Ryan McMenamin should have been given a lifetime ban years ago as should have had Goalkeeper Pascal McConnell.

Poor Kerry still cant get over Tyrone beating them

denishurley

Stinicker wrote: »

In the first meeting of Kerry and Cork in 2002 in Croke Park, a Cork player allegedly made disgraceful comments to the O'Se brothers after the death of their father, Paudi was informed at half time, a Kerry player was introduced especially in the second half to do a job on the offender, a breaking ball came down the sideline and the Kerry player drove the offender straight out over the sideline with a belt of a shoulder and when the Cork player got up he was given a Muhammed Ali straight into the neck and the Kerry player continued to hammer forty shades of daylights out of him down the ground, the schmozzle drew in other players and the Kerry and Cork player both saw red for the incident. Job done! Cork finished with 13 men and Kerry finished with 15 points to spare. Paudi knew how to deal with scumbaggery.

Hadn't heard that before, fairly bad if true. I had heard another tale from that game though - a Cork player was having business troubles and his marker worked for the bank dealing with him and took joy in reminding him of the consequences he was facing

Stinicker

Stinicker wrote: »

The fact that involves Tyrone is of no surprise at all, Ryan McMenamin should have been given a lifetime ban years ago as should have had Goalkeeper Pascal McConnell.

Know fellows involved with the Kerry minors, one who played senior football and has All Ireland medals and never complained about physicality or abuse from opponents, including Tyrone when their senior teams regularly beat Kerry. But he said the things said by Tyrone minors a couple of years ago shocked him, and he thought he had seen and heard it all. He said it was just appalling stuff.

denishurley

denishurley wrote: »

Hadn't heard that before, fairly bad if true. I had heard another tale from that game though - a Cork player was having business troubles and his marker worked for the bank dealing with him and took joy in reminding him of the consequences he was facing

That's appalling, he should be out of a job for that.

Jayop

Great fashion in the media and on boards like this and comments on newspapers sites to blame all the games ills on Tyrone. It's absolute nonsense that you've been fed from the Dublin media who are madly in love with Kerry, that uncle Tom Brolly and generally people with a chip on their shoulders about Tyrone.

None of what was said was substantiated, the Tyrone players have said they get as much back regularly, at a senior game (apparently Vs Donegal) a few years ago there was comments made about Micheala Harte which is in the public knowledge but it's not been mentioned in this thread.

Seriously lads, get over it. That craic with Cavanagh last year was a perfect example of Tyrone bashing at its finest. Cavanagh did something every single club or county player in the country does and is told to do and the whole country gets their knickers in a twist because Brolly had one of the most outragous rants int eh history of Irish TV. Watch every single close hurling match (which we're told is the epitome of fairness) and there's someone dragged down on route to goal near the end.

Why does it always involve Tyrone you ask? Because they are an easy target at the minute thanks to the old boys club in the GAA not liking the upstarts from the north having limited success.

Nouveau riche I think they called it.

downthemiddle

Jayop wrote: »

Great fashion in the media and on boards like this and comments on newspapers sites to blame all the games ills on Tyrone. It's absolute nonsense that you've been fed from the Dublin media who are madly in love with Kerry, that uncle Tom Brolly and generally people with a chip on their shoulders about Tyrone.

None of what was said was substantiated, the Tyrone players have said they get as much back regularly, at a senior game (apparently Vs Donegal) a few years ago there was comments made about Micheala Harte which is in the public knowledge but it's not been mentioned in this thread.

Seriously lads, get over it. That craic with Cavanagh last year was a perfect example of Tyrone bashing at its finest. Cavanagh did something every single club or county player in the country does and is told to do and the whole country gets their knickers in a twist because Brolly had one of the most outragous rants int eh history of Irish TV. Watch every single close hurling match (which we're told is the epitome of fairness) and there's someone dragged down on route to goal near the end.

Why does it always involve Tyrone you ask? Because they are an easy target at the minute thanks to the old boys club in the GAA not liking the upstarts from the north having limited success.

Nouveau riche I think they called it.

Are you saying that there is no substance to the recent allegations about Tyrone?

Jayop

downthemiddle wrote: »

Are you saying that there is no substance to the recent allegations about Tyrone?

No. I said they were unsubstantiated accusations not that there was no substance in them.

There's a big difference.

downthemiddle

Jayop wrote: »

No. I said they were unsubstantiated accusations not that there was no substance in them.

There's a big difference.

So many unsubstantiated accusations from a number of counties with Tyrone being the common denominator.

Jayop

downthemiddle wrote: »

So many unsubstantiated accusations from a number of counties with Tyrone being the common denominator.

What, Tipp minors and Donegal minors? I guess 2 is a number.

You're right though, in all the recent talk about sledging in the game Tyrone is the only county involved or who have been accused of it. No other county has players who dish out abuse during games and Tyrone should just be banned from the sport for the good of our kids.

You need to stop listening to Brolly and Spillane and start forming opinions of your own.

downthemiddle

Jayop wrote: »

What, Tipp minors and Donegal minors? I guess 2 is a number.

You're right though, in all the recent talk about sledging in the game Tyrone is the only county involved or who have been accused of it. No other county has players who dish out abuse during games and Tyrone should just be banned from the sport for the good of our kids.

You need to stop listening to Brolly and Spillane and start forming opinions of your own.

I prefer to deal in facts and despite the pathetic cover up from Tyrone it is well known what happened in the minor game.

Jayop

downthemiddle wrote: »

I prefer to deal in facts and despite the pathetic cover up from Tyrone it is well known what happened in the minor game.

I already replied to your pathetic post in the other thread.

downthemiddle

Jayop wrote: »

I already replied to your pathetic post in the other thread.

Any comment on the fact that a prominent Donegal player was spat at seven times by Tyrone subs and backroom members at half time in the senior game?

Jayop

downthemiddle wrote: »

Any comment on the fact that a prominent Donegal player was spat at seven times by Tyrone subs and backroom members at half time in the senior game?

It's the first I've heard of it. Where's it been reported?

downthemiddle

Jayop wrote: »

It's the first I've heard of it. Where's it been reported?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4


Watch very carefully 55 seconds in and you will see a Tyrone sub covering himself in glory.

Jayop

I've watched it and I still have no idea what you're talking about.

flasher0030

Jayop wrote: »

I've watched it and I still have no idea what you're talking about.

Same as. Just see a mob of people doing feck all.

metron

If you watch at 55 seconds you'll see the Tyrone sub "interfering" with Eamonn Magee. I'd never noticed this until watching the clip now. In fact it seems like this is what sparked the whole incident.

downthemiddle

metron wrote: »

If you watch at 55 seconds you'll see the Tyrone sub "interfering" with Eamonn Magee. I'd never noticed this until watching the clip now. In fact it seems like this is what sparked the whole incident.

Watch his mouth when Murphy approaches.

bruschi

havent a clue what you are talking about either. Eamon McGee barely reacts to anything in that clip, and Michael Murphy isnt shown until 1:15 into it and is barely there at all. Are you saying this because of something you heard, or something you are interpreting from a low definition clip of a bunch of lads pushing and shoving?