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England v New Zealand

  • 20-05-2015 8:26pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭


    The first of 2 tests starts tomorrow at Lords.

    Huge shame this is only 2 tests.

    Anyway looking forward to it hugely, think England may have a slight edge due to so many key NZ players been undercooked due to IPL cricket. Williamson, Mc Cullum, Boult, Southee and Anderson only showed up recently to England.:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭lambayire


    Another dreadful start for England.

    But Stokes and Root have rescued things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Pity about Root getting out on 97 - he deserved a century. Still, the ship has been steadied and at 275-6, England are in a great position to bat to 400+ and put NZ under a lot of pressure.

    Looks like an absolutely perfect batting pitch though, so big scores should be the order of the day. I would favour the draw at this stage but the weather is set fair for the full 5 days so you would generally expect a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Some gun batsmen in this NZ side, but not sure about the likes of Latham who has plundered his runs on spinning pitches,and not really excelled against pace, Guptil who knows? Quality ODI batsmen but a so-so test batsman.

    The likes of Kane, Mc Cullum and Anderson all well short of red ball cricket in the last few months, very good day for England I think.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Great day for England in the end really, I thought they were heading for about 100 at one point


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Two big days there, still advantage New Zealand I would guess


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,513 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Would expect new Zealand to skittle them out today. The swing bowling from southee and Boult yesterday evening was excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Good recovery by England today after losing Bell so early. 41 ahead now with 3 second-innings wickets gone. Cook and Root well set now (69 and 58) for either or both to make a century. I don't think England will win it but they should be able to force a draw from this position.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Very well played by Cook today, lead of near 300, will be interesting if they get opportunity to declare (and not rapidly skittled out early) how long they leave it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Very well played by Cook today, lead of near 300, will be interesting if they get opportunity to declare (and not rapidly skittled out early) how long they leave it.

    My guess is that Cook will be very, very conservative, as usual. Possibly if England reach a lead of 500 by mid-afternoon, he will start getting tempted!!:)

    Seriously though, the record run chase at Lords is 344, so England should look to reach a lead of 350 asap (within the first hour) and declare immediately. It's not going to happen though. Still, unless the wicket deteriorates very quickly today, a draw looks certain anyway.

    Edit: BTW, what must Ballance be thinking, having scored 1 & 0 in the 2 England innings, when he sees all the other batsmen scoring for fun!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    So no need for declaration, England bowled out, New Zealand set 345 to win.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Well, the England innings ended very quickly there and we could have an exciting final day after all! NZ require 345 to win, which would be a record chase at Lords - see my previous post. They definitely have the batsmen and pitch to do it but, obviously, it's a very big ask.

    What a wonderful day to be at The Home Of Cricket: sunny bank holiday, only £20 to get in and a nail-biting finish in store!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Good start by England's bowling attack anyway! 2 down before any runs on the board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Holy sh*t - this is unbelieveable! Two wickets down for NZ without scoring - advantage definitely with The Brits now!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    5 down now at tea, going to be an interesting final session


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭pajor


    First innings of 523 not even enough to give NZ the edge.

    England win first test by 124 runs.

    First test game that I'm really trying to follow. So far I've only ever had the attention span for as much as ODI. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Exciting Test match, good win for England, looking forward to hopefully another close Test next game now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70


    Can't believe England turned that around from 34-3 on the opening morning!!!

    Supeb stuff from Cook and Stokes

    NZ probably too gung ho for their own good and at 404-3 in their first innings should have ensured they batted just once and batted England out of the game...

    Nonetheless a cracking Test match and just what Cook and Strauss needed after all that been going on recently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    No clue what the NZ bowlers were trying to do when they were trying to save the game, some horror shots, I mean seriously what on earth was Boult attempting when the shot he got out?:eek::

    NZ are a good test side, but great test sides would not have lost this, South Africa who have been top dog for so long, have got that by stonewalling draws and then winning that series, its something they should be highly commended for.

    Great result for England in what is such a vital summer for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    That's true, great sides don't lose in that manner and defiantly not from the position they found themselves on the first morning and the big first innings total. You mention SA but England were pretty good at it when they were on top of the rankings, remember Collingwood and Prior doing it several times. Onions and Monty showed how to see out a test match and weren't giving catches to third man.

    Delighted for Cook. If anyone deserved a break, it was him. The pressure he's been under since the Ashes whitewash has been insane. Two hundreds in a row now and a team coming together too. I wonder what the people who said Pietersen's 300 was the best innings ever think of Stoke's hundred?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Crucial late wickets for england today, superb fightback by NZ though


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Crucial late wickets for england today, superb fightback by NZ though

    McCullum had a mad minute after tea, he'd have scored big otherwise I think. Even so, fantastic scoring rate NZ got today, as quick as some England manage in the one day game!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    I really don't like to criticise Mc Cullum, but that was amateur from him, I know he is an aggressive player, but would you see a De Villiers get out like that? Nope. Might sound cruel, but he playing like a mini Afridi at the moment.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    No let up from the kiwis today...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭pajor


    KevIRL wrote: »
    No let up from the kiwis today...

    Was thinking the same. England have put the brakes on though at 350 all out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    pajor wrote: »
    Was thinking the same. England have put the brakes on though at 350 all out.

    The 53 runs this morning though is a serious tonic for NZ. So entertaining to watch


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Cook becomes England's leading run scorer, solid start by the hosts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭dohboy


    Any idea how to listen to TMS over here? On a train and Tune In radio is blowing on about rights restrictions. Cheers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    <snip>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Cricket fan


    McCullums turning into a bit of a brainless slogger. After the WC final you'd think he'd know the value of staying at the crease


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Good fight back by New Zealand after such a good start by England's openers. About level pegging, or Kiwis even slightly ahead I reckon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,191 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Can anyone tell me was Boult the top innings taker for new Zealand today please? Can't seem to find it anywhere. Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    dinneenp wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me was Boult the top innings taker for new Zealand today please? Can't seem to find it anywhere. Cheers

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-new-zealand-2015/engine/match/743941.html

    He took 2 wickets today, one for Craig and Southee, the fifth wicket was a run out. Henry got none and nobody else bowled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,191 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-new-zealand-2015/engine/match/743941.html

    He took 2 wickets today, one for Craig and Southee, the fifth wicket was a run out. Henry got none and nobody else bowled.

    Thanks. My bet is Boult to be top NZ first innings wicket taker. It's funny; I get a 'good tip' from source with good cricket history but don't know much about cricket so sometimes watch/ looking at scores thinking did I win...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    dinneenp wrote: »
    Thanks. My bet is Boult to be top NZ first innings wicket taker. It's funny; I get a 'good tip' from source with good cricket history but don't know much about cricket so sometimes watch/ looking at scores thinking did I win...

    best of luck!

    5 wickets left to get, play will start at 11.

    Check with the bookie how they settle if a few get the same amount.

    Some dead heat it which is standard practise, other English bookies settle on who had the best economy rate. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    New Zealand definitely on top now, ripping through remainder of middle order, onto the tail, such a waste from England after a great start by the openers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Nice rally by broad and Anderson here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    After all that, scores level


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    It's great cricket to watch, New Zealand really only have a couple of modes of playing, attack. That, and attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Great knock Watling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    More fantastic batting by NZ this morning.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    KevIRL wrote: »
    More fantastic batting by NZ this morning.

    Couldn't begrudge them a win if they go on and finish the job. If anyone wants an advert for test batting, and how exciting it can be, New Zealand are it. That's why they are a lot of peoples "2nd team", well they are mine anyway. All done with such a small player pool to choose from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Some batting by NZ this morning - real 20/20 stuff!!

    Now the question is: will England have a go at the greatest run-chase in the history of Test cricket? The pitch looks good (as NZ showed) and at Headingly the pitch often improves during the second innings. Now is their chance to be heroes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,693 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    A good old fashioned england skittling then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    I really hope NZ do this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Cook out for 56, England 150-6. Last rites for England here (barring rain) with only Moeen, Broad, Wood and Anderson to back up Buttler. Can see this match over by 4 o'clock now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    1 1 would be a fair result over the 2 tests, NZ probably edged it overall if you have to choose. Yorkshire rain might still save England this test though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Rain needs to pull its finger out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70


    1-1 is definitely a fair result .... NZ will sit back and wonder how they blew it after scoring 520 in the first Test and England will equally wonder how they lost the second test after being 220/1 in reply to 350 in the first dig

    Pity this ain't a 3 Test series

    NZ no longer a 'fringe' Test team .... They deserve a 3 test series minimum wherever they go to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    All over: England all-out for 255, NZ win by 199 runs to draw the series 1-1. Two very entertaining matches (pity it's only 2!) and NZ certainly deserved to draw the series, at least. Their superior fielding probably won this match: they held on to every chance whereas England (Bell in particular) put down several gilt-edged opportunities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Very entertaining test matches, as has been said, New Zealand definitely worthy of a proper series rather than this after thought. No team I'd rather watch if I were a neutral than New Zealand. Reality check for England.


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