NCT/ Worn Tyres/ Tyre Prices

Nicknamed

Hi.
NCT for my car is coming up-- I'm suspecting two of the tyres are worn:
1. If the tyres are worn will the NCT just warn or they will fail the car ?
2. What is a good price for tyres ? Are there any places selling some New but second hand tyres ? Some one was telling me that German Tyres which are unused but not new are sold at lesser price !
3. my Current tyres have written on them Grade A 195/60 R15.

Thanks!

George Dalton

The NCT report will advise you if any of your tyres are below 3mm tread depth but the car will still pass. The car will fail the NCT if any of the tyres are below the legal minimum of 1.6mm.

Part worn tyres are widely available but in your size of 195/60 15 they are a false economy IMO.

madcabbage

For the love of god, get proper tyres! Don't be buying ditch finders!!

Nicknamed

Getting new ones- size was not available in part worn tyres. Thanks

Special Circumstances

You could help other people by saying what brand/model of tyre and what price?

Nicknamed

Around 60euro each for three tyres plus tracking plus rear brake pads are also gone75 ruros for them. Tyre silver stone brand. Total Damage : 290 euros

Special Circumstances wrote: »

You could help other people by saying what brand/model of tyre and what price?

Foxhole Norman

Would ya not have just gotten 4 tyres at that stage?

dgt

Unless you're getting free partworns, then you still have to get them fitted.... They can be muck anyway!

Not worth the hassle!

El Guapo!

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Would ya not have just gotten 4 tyres at that stage?

Maybe he only needed 3.

Foxhole Norman

El Guapo! wrote: »

Maybe he only needed 3.

Yeah but you need matching tyres on the same axle for the NCT. It also makes no sense to have one worn tyre and one new tyre on the same axle.

Tyres should be replaced in pairs.

Pov06

El Guapo! wrote: »

Maybe he only needed 3.

Try brake from 100 km/h on an empty road as hard as you can with 3 new tyres and 1 old. Maybe then you'll realise how stupid only getting 3 tyres is...

El Guapo!

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Yeah but you need matching tyres on the same axle for the NCT. It also makes no sense to have one worn tyre and one new tyre on the same axle.

Tyres should be replaced in pairs.

You don't need matching for the nct. As long as they're both the same size and both summer/winter tyres that's all you need.
Also I don't agree that tyres need to be replaced in pairs. In an ideal world maybe, but people have budgets to stick to and as long as the remaining tyre is in good condition and the tread patterns are similar enough it'll be fine.

Pov06

El Guapo! wrote: »

You don't need matching for the nct. As long as they're both the same size and both summer/winter tyres that's all you need.
Also I don't agree that tyres need to be replaced in pairs. In an ideal world maybe, but people have budgets to stick to and as long as the remaining tyre is in good condition and the tread patterns are similar enough it'll be fine.

Keep in mind that the NCT is a roadworthiness test that guarantees MINIMUM car safety.

Just because you can pass the NCT with non-matching tyres doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Foxhole Norman

El Guapo! wrote: »

You don't need matching for the nct. As long as they're both the same size and both summer/winter tyres that's all you need.
Also I don't agree that tyres need to be replaced in pairs. In an ideal world maybe, but people have budgets to stick to and as long as the remaining tyre is in good condition and the tread patterns are similar enough it'll be fine.

Ah yes, you're right on the same tyre front, just once they're the same type and size, I read that wrong on the manual.

Skimping on the one thing connecting you to the road is not a good idea, if you can't afford tyres I don't think you can afford to be on the road in my opinion.

Nicknamed

One tyre was recently changed and I didn't get the rest changed then- i hope it goes through nct fine. Tyre shop said tbey have tried to match the tread.

El Guapo! wrote: »

You don't need matching for the nct. As long as they're both the same size and both summer/winter tyres that's all you need.
Also I don't agree that tyres need to be replaced in pairs. In an ideal world maybe, but people have budgets to stick to and as long as the remaining tyre is in good condition and the tread patterns are similar enough it'll be fine.

El Guapo!

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Ah yes, you're right on the same tyre front, just once they're the same type and size, I read that wrong on the manual.

Skimping on the one thing connecting you to the road is not a good idea, if you can't afford tyres I don't think you can afford to be on the road in my opinion.

I agree it's best to have a matching set in the car. Of course it is. I recently put 4 new tyres on my wife's car when technically it only needed 3. One was in good condition but it was a shít brand. I also had the money at the time to afford the set of 4.
My point is...having one odd tyre on the car isn't the end of the world as long as it's in good condition and the tread patterns are as similar as possible. It's not going to kill you despite the scaremongering some people would have you believe.
If you can afford a full set; then go for it. Definitely.
If not, I wouldn't worry too much as long as they're in good condition and good quality.

Silversun

I'm looking to get four new tyres for a Ford Focus, anybody got an idea on a price ?

El Guapo!

Silversun wrote: »

I'm looking to get four new tyres for a Ford Focus, anybody got an idea on a price ?

What size?

power pants

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Yeah but you need matching tyres on the same axle for the NCT. It also makes no sense to have one worn tyre and one new tyre on the same axle.

Tyres should be replaced in pairs.

no you dont, I had two seperate tyres on my front axel and was fine

has to be the correct size

Mycroft H

In the real world you'd never notice a tyre with a slightly different thread on the same axle.

I've done it before on several cars when in a spot of bother.

Foxhole Norman

power pants wrote: »

no you dont, I had two seperate tyres on my front axel and was fine

has to be the correct size

Yeah I was corrected on that, I read the manual wrong.

power pants

yeah, only saw the rest of the posts after replying , was a bit hasty to smack you down

Nicknamed

Should be about the same price 50-70 per Tyre. You will need to pay for wheel alignment As well I suppose if required

Silversun wrote: »

I'm looking to get four new tyres for a Ford Focus, anybody got an idea on a price ?

_Kaiser_

On a related point (rather than starting a new thread)

Need to get an alignment done on the car - any recommendations for places in/around D18 or close by? Approx cost?

Cheers

Silversun

El Guapo! wrote: »

What size?

There size 16

Anjobe

Silversun wrote: »

There size 16

Presumably 205/55 16? Its a very common size so you have lots of choice. Expect to pay around 90 each for a premium tyre, 75 for a decent mid-range, possibly a little cheaper if you shop around.

Yamanoto

Currently struggling to find a decent deal on 225/45/17's.

Ideally want to spend less than €95 fitted, but a little hazy about which brands constitute a good compromise between budget & premium tyres.

obezyana

I'm just had my car in for NCT yesterday, they failed one of the tyres for being below 1.6mm. So I didn't even look at the sheet at the centre I presumed he meant one of the front tyres as they are in need of replacing soon. But when I got home and after looking at the sheet it says its the rear offside that failed (below 1.6mm)........it has over 3mm. Now either that guy is off his rocker or he really needs his fail quota to improve, I just don't know but either way he failed a tyre that is in good nick. Idiot.

My front tyres will need replacing soon as they are 2.12mm and 1.9mm. I presume the NCT actually use a device to measure of do they go by the good owl eye??????

George Dalton

Yamanoto wrote: »

Currently struggling to find a decent deal on 225/45/17's.

Ideally want to spend less than €95 fitted, but a little hazy about which brands constitute a good compromise between budget & premium tyres.

Best option in that size and price range at the moment would be the Pirelli P7 at around €100 each fitted.

George Dalton

obezyana wrote: »

But when I got home and after looking at the sheet it says its the rear offside that failed (below 1.6mm)........it has over 3mm. Now either that guy is off his rocker or he really needs his fail quota to improve, I just don't know but either way he failed a tyre that is in good nick. Idiot.:confused

A tyre with 3mm left isn't in good nick. It's worn out.

mickdw

George Dalton wrote: »

A tyre with 3mm left isn't in good nick. It's worn out.

To be fair, it may be well worn but it shouldn't be failing according to the rules they and we play by.

George Dalton

mickdw wrote: »

To be fair, it may be well worn but it shouldn't be failing according to the rules they and we play by.

I'm not disputing that, just pointing out the obvious :pac:

mickdw

George Dalton wrote: »

I'm not disputing that, just pointing out the obvious :pac:

On a related note, being in your line of business, you would be well placed to answer.
Do the majority of motorists change their tyres before they are illegal or do you see plenty horrors driving in.

George Dalton

In my experience most people will wait until they are actually illegal before deciding to have them changed on their own initiative.

Most of our tyre sales come in conjunction with other service/repair work rather than as a standalone job, so I'm probably not best placed to give a true picture.

obezyana

George Dalton wrote: »

A tyre with 3mm left isn't in good nick. It's worn out.

Is it a fail in the eyes of the NCT? No it isn't, so therefore its not worn out to the point its dangerous. So how can a tyre that has more thread left (than others) fail when one with less passes? This is what I'm referring to and not to what you suggest is worn.

I have no issue with getting tyres when needed but that tyre failing when others passed is a joke.

heroics

obezyana wrote: »

Is it a fail in the eyes of the NCT? No it isn't, so therefore its not worn out to the point its dangerous. So how can a tyre that has more thread left (than others) fail when one with less passes? This is what I'm referring to and not to what you suggest is worn.

I have no issue with getting tyres when needed but that tyre failing when others passed is a joke.

They dont just check for thread depth. Are you sure it failed on thread depth? Is the tyre evenly worn? Perished, and imperfections/bulges (even on the inside where you wouldn't normally check)

My brother had to get trye replaced nearly brand new loads of thread but there was a bulge on inside of tyre that he had not seen.

obezyana

heroics wrote: »

They dont just check for thread depth. Are you sure it failed on thread depth? Is the tyre evenly worn? Perished, and imperfections/bulges (even on the inside where you wouldn't normally check)

My brother had to get trye replaced nearly brand new loads of thread but there was a bulge on inside of tyre that he had not seen.

Says on the sheet; tyre depth below 1.6mm. There is nothing else wrong with the tyre. I have checked the depth myself, I have had two other people (one is a mechanic) check all tyres and guess the fail and neither of them could spot anything wrong with any of the tyres.


Edit; Before anybody jumps in suggesting there is something wrong with the tyres because they might be classed as worn in their eyes, I am merely referring to what the NCT see as a fail and not what others might see. So me saying that I and others checked and found nothing wrong is again us going with the actual limits the NCT set themselves.

Anjobe

You should really have queried this at the time - maybe it was just a typo on the report and they were really failing one of the fronts that are perilously close to the legal minimum by your own admission.

I don't think there is much you can do about this now but for the future, query anything that you are not happy with when the tester gives you back the report, and if you can't sort things out to your satisfaction with him ask to speak to the manager or team leader.

obezyana

Anjobe wrote: »

You should really have queried this at the time - maybe it was just a typo on the report and they were really failing one of the fronts that are perilously close to the legal minimum by your own admission.

I don't think there is much you can do about this now but for the future, query anything that you are not happy with when the tester gives you back the report, and if you can't sort things out to your satisfaction with him ask to speak to the manager or team leader.

I didn't ask about it as I was expecting the car to fail on other little things as I had just bought it and prior to that it was off the road for 3 months. It was only when I got home that I actually read the report and seen what it said. I will certainly ask them about it on the retest.

It failed on the passenger side track rod, tracking, passenger dip too high, the supposed tyre below 1.6mm. All have been rectified bar this mysterious tyre with thread below 1.6mm.

George Dalton

obezyana wrote: »

Is it a fail in the eyes of the NCT? No it isn't, so therefore its not worn out to the point its dangerous. So how can a tyre that has more thread left (than others) fail when one with less passes? This is what I'm referring to and not to what you suggest is worn.

I have no issue with getting tyres when needed but that tyre failing when others passed is a joke.

I didn't say it was dangerous, I didn't say it should have failed. I was just pointing out that the tyre you said is "in good nick" is in fact worn out. That's not what I suggest, that's not my opinion, that is a fact.

obezyana

George Dalton wrote: »

I didn't say it was dangerous, I didn't say it should have failed. I was just pointing out that the tyre you said is "in good nick" is in fact worn out. That's not what I suggest, that's not my opinion, that is a fact.

Well if 3mm or below is seen as worn I can now say after checking the exact depth on that tyre it is 3.29mm so it is in good nick I'm not disputing the need for tyres to be replaced when they need to all I'm getting at is how can a tyre that has more thread then one nearer the legal limit be failed? To me it shows that some of the NCT testers might need to go on a refresher course.

George Dalton

obezyana wrote: »

Well if 3mm or below is seen as worn I can now say after checking the exact depth on that tyre it is 3.29mm so it is in good nick I'm not disputing the need for tyres to be replaced when they need to all I'm getting at is how can a tyre that has more thread then one nearer the legal limit be failed? To me it shows that some of the NCT testers might need to go on a refresher course.

It's called human error. Happens to all of us, NCT testers included

tonic wine

I don't understand all the part worm bashing.

Yes, there is a load of places selling rubbish, but there is also good quality tyres to be had also.

I've got 17 and 18's Michelin pilot sports for €50 each with 7mm left.
I've also got 16's continental sports for €35 each, again between 6/7mm

I've paid a small bit more then what some places are asking, but they are premium tyres and almost new. Had them over the winter, commute from dublin to galway each week, car went through the NCT and no issues so far.

Foxhole Norman

tonic wine wrote: »

I don't understand all the part worm bashing.

Yes, there is a load of places selling rubbish, but there is also good quality tyres to be had also.

I've got 17 and 18's Michelin pilot sports for €50 each with 7mm left.
I've also got 16's continental sports for €35 each, again between 6/7mm

I've paid a small bit more then what some places are asking, but they are premium tyres and almost new. Had them over the winter, commute from dublin to galway each week, car went through the NCT and no issues so far.

People aren't bashing part worns, they're talking about worn tyres down below 3mm or so.

obezyana

George Dalton wrote: »

It's called human error. Happens to all of us, NCT testers included

Yeah maybe he was distracted or something I'm gonna send it in again without changing the tyre and see what happens.

Nicknamed

obezyana wrote: »

Yeah maybe he was distracted or something I'm gonna send it in again without changing the tyre and see what happens.

May be get other things also fixed before retest ?

obezyana

Nicknamed wrote: »

May be get other things also fixed before retest ?

The other things have been fixed. Its the supposedly worn failed tyre that I wont be changing.

Anjobe

obezyana wrote: »

The other things have been fixed. Its the supposedly worn failed tyre that I wont be changing.

Did you change the 2 tyres that you had an advisory for? The legal minimum of 1.6mm was set at a time when tyres were generally narrower, the wider tyres of today require a greater tread depth to channel water away from the middle of the tyre effectively (http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/tyres-need-nearly-twice-legal-tread-new-survey-shows-26415598.html).

obezyana

Anjobe wrote: »

Did you change the 2 tyres that you had an advisory for? The legal minimum of 1.6mm was set at a time when tyres were generally narrower, the wider tyres of today require a greater tread depth to channel water away from the middle of the tyre effectively (http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/tyres-need-nearly-twice-legal-tread-new-survey-shows-26415598.html).

The NCT test will fail any tyre below 1.6mm and this is stated in the NCT manual so it is what the tester and the general public use for guidance. The piece in the link is not what is used regardless of what it suggests. My tyres are not below 1.6mm and the tyre that he failed was above 3mm. So I'm going to send it in again with everything else fixed bar the tyre and see what happens.

Anjobe

obezyana wrote: »

My front tyres will need replacing soon as they are 2.12mm and 1.9mm. I presume the NCT actually use a device to measure of do they go by the good owl eye??????

I was asking about these tyres - they don't need replacing soon, they needed replacing some time ago.

obezyana wrote: »

The NCT test will fail any tyre below 1.6mm and this is stated in the NCT manual so it is what the tester and the general public use for guidance. The piece in the link is not what is used regardless of what it suggests. My tyres are not below 1.6mm and the tyre that he failed was above 3mm. So I'm going to send it in again with everything else fixed bar the tyre and see what happens.

The NCT is just a check that your car meets some minimum legal requirement for roadworthiness, it is not a gold standard for road safety. It is widely accepted now that the 1.6mm legal minimum is out of date and it is generally recommended now that tyres are replaced when the tread depth reaches 3mm, irrespective of whether they would pass the NCT. You could get a nasty surprise from your insurance company if you are involved in an accident and they decide that tyre condition was a contributing factor.

obezyana

Anjobe wrote: »

I was asking about these tyres - they don't need replacing soon, they needed replacing some time ago.



The NCT is just a check that your car meets some minimum legal requirement for roadworthiness, it is not a gold standard for road safety. It is widely accepted now that the 1.6mm legal minimum is out of date and it is generally recommended now that tyres are replaced when the tread depth reaches 3mm, irrespective of whether they would pass the NCT. You could get a nasty surprise from your insurance company if you are involved in an accident and they decide that tyre condition was a contributing factor.

I'm not suggesting they are not a safety issue. The NCT say below 1.6mm is a fail and the tyres on the car are not below 1.6mm. Now the fail sheet specifically mentions the rear tyre as being below 1.6mm when in fact its above 3mm so therefore how can it be a fail going by the legal depth by law and their own standards.