Is this a record??

shabalala

http://www.edmondstowngolfclub.ie/latest_news/open_team_of_3_mon_04-05-15


I was told about this yesterday by someone that played, tough conditions and didn't believe it but low and behold.....

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

http://www.edmondstowngolfclub.ie/latest_news/open_team_of_3_mon_04-05-15


I was told about this yesterday by someone that played, tough conditions and didn't believe it but low and behold.....

No way - ACC 2014 - 105, same format

shabalala

ACC??? 105pts with 2 scores to count on every hole?? The individuals in question have a "reputation" so to speak so a 15pt win is a bit lol in fairness

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

ACC??? 105pts with 2 scores to count on every hole?? The individuals in question have a "reputation" so to speak so a 15pt win is a bit lol in fairness

Well you should look up Atlantic Coast Challenge 2014.

That score would be very good - but not good enough.

Yes same format.

In fact playing 1/2 decent , we felt you "could" get a 90 +.

So - reputation not justified as it was only for 50 bloody quid.

yettie1701

I saw the scores Fix is on about with my very own eyes. And that's not mention that the ACC is played on tough links courses and its was a windy day too. Can't beat a well behaved biro.

doublecross

shabalala wrote: »

http://www.edmondstowngolfclub.ie/latest_news/open_team_of_3_mon_04-05-15


I was told about this yesterday by someone that played, tough conditions and didn't believe it but low and behold.....

Some teams were averaging that kind of score in the Clare Golf Challenge in previous years

doublecross

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

No way - ACC 2014 - 105, same format

I see someone on the ACC facebook page request that the team in question should post their cards in this year

yettie1701

doublecross wrote: »

I see someone on the ACC facebook page request that the team in question should post their cards in this year

Is that in advance of the competition??

PARlance

yettie1701 wrote: »

Is that in advance of the competition??

It was from the final day last year.

moycullen14

shabalala wrote: »

ACC??? 105pts with 2 scores to count on every hole?? The individuals in question have a "reputation" so to speak so a 15pt win is a bit lol in fairness

3 players, 2 to count and the score was 105???????

Good God, that means that each of them would need to score about 47 pts on their own ball? Is that even possible?

Carne, Rosses Point and Enniscrone aren't exactly easy, are they?

Were there mutterings?

I thought we had bandits at our club, but clearly they are in the ha'penny place compared to this.

PARlance

moycullen14 wrote: »

3 players, 2 to count and the score was 105???????

Good God, that means that each of them would need to score about 47 pts on their own ball? Is that even possible?

Carne, Rosses Point and Enniscrone aren't exactly easy, are they?

Were there mutterings?

I thought we had bandits at our club, but clearly they are in the ha'penny place compared to this.

You wouldn't need to score 47 each, you could possibly get to 105 in that format 3 people scoring 35 each. But all the stars would have to allign fairly spectacularly in that instance.
Somewhere around 40 points each could get there fairly comfortably, and yes, you would have to be fairly comfortable within your HC to achieve that imo.

Forward tees in Carne & Enniscrone but yes there were lots of mutterIngs. I don't think anyone goes to these things without expecting exceptional scoring.

It doesn't help when the organisers have "€2,500 in prizes" on their promotional flyers. They have rectified that this year and it's now "€6,000 in prizes".... bring the calculators.
It was also quite disappointing that there was no follow through on their pre comp promise to adjust handicaps during the comp.
To gain any credibility they should create it so that each day is considered an individual open. Let the lads head back to Tipp with a few ESRs with their loot.

PARlance

Going back to the OP, 82 seems like an incredibly low score to claim a 2nd place. That's just over 4.5 points per hole. Good going but probably wouldn't feature in prizes for most comps of this format?

I would have thought (18*5) 90 would have been needed to get into prizes. Great scoring but you generally have to score great to get any prize.

Dbu

shabalala wrote: »

http://www.edmondstowngolfclub.ie/latest_news/open_team_of_3_mon_04-05-15


I was told about this yesterday by someone that played, tough conditions and didn't believe it but low and behold.....

and 1 guy off +2?? He would have to go around about 6 under to make any sort of contribution

Dr_Colossus

Dbu wrote: »

and 1 guy off +2?? He would have to go around about 6 under to make any sort of contribution

No bother to him, sure he went around in Roganstown in -7 to win the SSC by 5 shots. Should be on tour with his mate caddying for him who also coincidently won the JSC that same day.
http://www.roganstowngc.com/men/new-scratch-competition-for-easter-monday-21st-april-2014.2934.html

DuckSlice

PARlance wrote: »

You wouldn't need to score 47 each, you could possibly get to 105 in that format 3 people scoring 35 each. But all the stars would have to allign fairly spectacularly in that instance.
Somewhere around 40 points each could get there fairly comfortably, and yes, you would have to be fairly comfortable within your HC to achieve that imo.

Forward tees in Carne & Enniscrone but yes there were lots of mutterIngs. I don't think anyone goes to these things without expecting exceptional scoring.

It doesn't help when the organisers have "€2,500 in prizes" on their promotional flyers. They have rectified that this year and it's now "€6,000 in prizes".... bring the calculators.
It was also quite disappointing that there was no follow through on their pre comp promise to adjust handicaps during the comp.
To gain any credibility they should create it so that each day is considered an individual open. Let the lads head back to Tipp with a few ESRs with their loot.

if there is that much banditry going on in that competition a format change is definitly needed. Instead of playing as a team and having 2 scores count per hole, change it so it is a random draw and you are not playing with your partners then your 2 best scores from each day count. probably not as many people would play it though.

shabalala

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

No bother to him, sure he went around in Roganstown in -7 to win the SSC by 5 shots. Should be on tour with his mate caddying for him who also coincidently won the JSC that same day.
http://www.roganstowngc.com/men/new-scratch-competition-for-easter-monday-21st-april-2014.2934.html

Dont forget his 7 shot win in Killeen last year, oh and his mate won the JSC that day too.... in a 2ball at the end of the field after arriving on spec. (I was there)


anyway he should have brought his mate to caddy in Royal Dublin in the irish Am open....

Dead last +16

Dr_Colossus

shabalala wrote: »

1 Phone call is all it takes.

Wow, that's some seriously impressive shooting, 8 birdies no less from the 10 holes his score was recorded. Nearly more remarkable is that his 7 handicap mate was 4 under for the 14 holes his score was counted. I'm supposed to be a 7 handicap and have never shot a level par round never mind being 4 under through 14 holes, seriously jealous of his ability.
It's like the dream team of golf and handicap maintenance, even the 12 handicapper was level par through the 12 holes recorded.

Dealerz

Could people be bothered entering open team comps with all that stuff going on?

Dr_Colossus

Dealerz wrote: »

Could people be bothered entering open team comps with all that stuff going on?

No, I havne't played a team event in over 4 years as a result of such results and lack of subsequent handicap adjustments thereafter.

What's worrring however is that such scores are becoming more evident in singles comps and even scratch cups with difficult course set ups where you often have to try and beat your handicap by 6 or more shots to be in contention.

shabalala

Has anybody noticed the 3 "winners" of the 3 scratch cups in Roganstown all on the same day are the 3 that won the team event in edmondstown??
Very well done to them.

mafc

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Wow, that's some seriously impressive shooting, 8 birdies no less from the 10 holes his score was recorded. Nearly more remarkable is that his 7 handicap mate was 4 under for the 14 holes his score was counted. I'm supposed to be a 7 handicap and have never shot a level par round never mind being 4 under through 14 holes, seriously jealous of his ability.
It's like the dream team of golf and handicap maintenance, even the 12 handicapper was level par through the 12 holes recorded.

Looks like they were sponsored by "Carlsberg"

fullstop

shabalala wrote: »

Has anybody noticed the 3 "winners" of the 3 scratch cups in Roganstown all on the same day are the 3 that won the team event in edmondstown??
Very well done to them.

Ah jaysus, hadn't even noticed that :eek:

shabalala

fullstop wrote: »

Ah jaysus, hadn't even noticed that :eek:

Game


Is


Up

doublecross

shabalala wrote: »

Has anybody noticed the 3 "winners" of the 3 scratch cups in Roganstown all on the same day are the 3 that won the team event in edmondstown??
Very well done to them.

Can somebody explain how their handicaps are the same in the team comp a month after they all win a scratch cup? Shoting 77 off 12 and no cut!

yettie1701

mafc wrote: »

Looks like they were sponsored by "Carlsberg"

Brilliant.....

slave1

Deary deary me, sad to see, on one hand some great golf but on the other hand...

mike12

Prob sitting in their away scores and they haven't cut them themselves.
Would expect to get to around the 90 points on a easy course in a 3 person team event.

FixdePitchmark

mike12 wrote: »

Prob sitting in their away scores and they haven't cut them themselves.
Would expect to get to around the 90 points on a easy course in a 3 person team event.

Remember Mike saying you can get a 90 - if things go right.

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Remember Mike saying you can get a 90 - if things go right.

But 97?? On a day when 82 was 2nd??

Never mind the fact the same 3 won all 3 scratch cups in roganstown on the same day, playing together....

As I said before they are very comfortable in eachothers company.

Good of the +2 to take a spot in the Irish am open, leaving someone genuine looking on.

Pity he couldn't play with his mate in it, he'd be 10 shots clear considering how comfortable they are playing together.

DiegoWorst

doublecross wrote: »

Can somebody explain how their handicaps are the same in the team comp a month after they all win a scratch cup? Shoting 77 off 12 and no cut!

Non qualifying comp, placing everywhere that day.

joxer1988

shabalala wrote: »

But 97?? On a day when 82 was 2nd??

Never mind the fact the same 3 won all 3 scratch cups in roganstown on the same day, playing together....

As I said before they are very comfortable in eachothers company.

Good of the +2 to take a spot in the Irish am open, leaving someone genuine looking on.

Pity he couldn't play with his mate in it, he'd be 10 shots clear considering how comfortable they are playing together.

Can you prove this? It's alarmingly suspicious...

EDIT: The playing together part...

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

But 97?? On a day when 82 was 2nd??

Never mind the fact the same 3 won all 3 scratch cups in roganstown on the same day, playing together....

As I said before they are very comfortable in eachothers company.

Good of the +2 to take a spot in the Irish am open, leaving someone genuine looking on.

Pity he couldn't play with his mate in it, he'd be 10 shots clear considering how comfortable they are playing together.

I'm not going to get into the scratch stuff- as don't know story.

But mike there is 100 % legit and on a championship course they had over a 90. I have played with 3 100 % legit golfers - over 90 is possible , then if you dovetailed in a bizarre (all stars align way) a mid 90 is on.

82 is a very poor score in 2nd - so making a differential comparison of a large great score versus a small poor score - is not good maths.

It is a high score - I've seen higher - on way, way, harder courses.

So I guess it is a case of relative deprivation.

I'm not saying - these score are justified - but, I'm saying a team of straight golfers could get well over 90.

shabalala

joxer1988 wrote: »

Can you prove this? It's alarmingly suspicious...

EDIT: The playing together part...

Phonecalls are easy.

Same scenario in Killeen GC last year amd numerous others, google all the names in one search....

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I'm not going to get into the first as don't know story.

But mike there is 100 % legit and on a championship course they had over a 90. I have played with 3 100 % legit golfers - over 90 is possible , then if you dovetailed in a bizarre (all stars align way) a mid 90 is on.

82 is a very poor score in 2nd - so making a differential comparison of a large great score versus a small poor score - is not good maths.

It is a high score - I've seen higher - on way, way, harder courses.

So I guess it is a case of relative deprivation.

I'm not saying - these score are justified - but, I'm saying a team of straight golfers could get well over 90.

Are you out of your mind?? Conditions were brutal that day, a 15 point win!!?? Come off it

As someone said 8 under from the +2, 4 under from the 7, amd level par by the 12... All on the same day in the same group... And the same 3 winning 3 SC in Roganstown as well in the same group.

You are very Very naive if you think this Is all legit

FixdePitchmark

http://www.roganstowngc.com/men/new-scratch-competition-for-easter-monday-21st-april-2014.2934.html

Is that the comp ?

Rackstar

They'll be inviting Lance Armstrong out to play in the charity scramble next.

ForeRight

Wouldn't mind joining their squad myself


Lar

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

http://www.roganstowngc.com/men/new-scratch-competition-for-easter-monday-21st-april-2014.2934.html

Is that the comp ?

Correct

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

Correct

Just to deal with one thing at a time.

So - you do know , a lad off (+2) -has played in majors in Ireland , plays out of Palmerstown Stud - could rip Roganstown apart if it was any way forward

What tee was it off ?

ForeRight

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Just to deal with one thing at a time.

So - you do know , a lad off (+2) -has played in majors in Ireland , plays out of Palmerstown Stud - could rip Roganstown apart if it was any way forward

What tee was it off ?

Also he was off +1 in ronanstown and is now off +2 so his handicap is adjusting as it should.

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Just to deal with one thing at a time.

So - you do know , a lad off (+2) -has played in majors in Ireland , plays out of Palmerstown Stud - could rip Roganstown apart if it was any way forward

What tee was it off ?

I don't know him at all, I'm only aware of him through some friends who are members in palmerstown, I played in Roganstown, it was the back tees and was tough, I played nicely and had 78 but I'm only a hacker off 2, I'm amazed anyone is defending what looks like skulduggery tbh.

ForeRight

shabalala wrote: »

I don't know him at all, I'm only aware of him through some friends who are members in palmerstown, I played in Roganstown, it was the back tees and was tough, I played nicely and had 78 but I'm only a hacker off 2, I'm amazed anyone is defending what looks like skulduggery tbh.

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying for defending anything. I'd generally try and think things are legit and look for scenarios where by its possible before going down the other road without concrete evidence as that kind of talk can ruin someone's name in a big way.

shabalala

ForeRight wrote: »

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying for defending anything. I'd generally try and think things are legit and look for scenarios where by its possible before going down the other road without concrete evidence as that kind of talk can ruin someone's name in a big way.

As I said, they are obviously very comfortable in eachothers company.

fullstop

ForeRight wrote: »

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying for defending anything. I'd generally try and think things are legit and look for scenarios where by its possible before going down the other road without concrete evidence as that kind of talk can ruin someone's name in a big way.

I agree with you and I'd be the same, but there seems to be a lot of coincidences in this one if all that has been posted is true.

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

I don't know him at all, I'm only aware of him through some friends who are members in palmerstown, I played in Roganstown, it was the back tees and was tough, I played nicely and had 78 but I'm only a hacker off 2, I'm amazed anyone is defending what looks like skulduggery tbh.

Ok - so you know a bit more than the raw data.

Not sure this the place for that.

Agree - I'm very naive.

I just can't understand - how someone would get to +2 - would want to be at +2 if they didn't have a (- 7) in them.

I was watching lads this week off + 2 on championship links have an easy - 3/-4 in them

These lads would have a -7 in an easier parkland course - they would reach most of the par 5s for example in 2 - but yes back sticks (blue are long enough)

But - your not off +2 unless you have a -7 in you .

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Ok - so you know a bit more than the raw data.

Not sure this the place for that.

Agree - I'm very naive.

I just can't understand - how someone would get to +2 - would want to be at +2 if they didn't have a (- 7) in them.

I was watching lads this week off + 2 on championship links have an easy - 3/-4 in them

These lads would have a -7 in an easier parkland course - they would reach most of the par 5s for example in 2 - but yes back sticks (blue are long enough)

But - your not off +2 unless you have a -7 in you .

So why hasn't this +2 ever ever had anything close to par in a championship?

Goodnight and godbless. I'd PM you full details but you prob wouldn't believe me.

FixdePitchmark

You said it was off back -

It isn't it is off whites ?

Competition Name: Open Team of 3

Date: Monday 4th May 2015

Format: Two to Score Stableford

Number of holes: 18

Team size: 3

Tees Played: White / Red

Number of Entries: 46

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

You said it was off back -

It isn't it is off whites ?

Competition Name: Open Team of 3

Date: Monday 4th May 2015

Format: Two to Score Stableford

Number of holes: 18

Team size: 3

Tees Played: White / Red

Number of Entries: 46

Roganstown was off the back, that's what I thought u you questioned.

How u explain the 7hcao being 4under, and the 12 being level par.... Maybe the played off the reds???

FixdePitchmark

If you think you can compare a major championship - with white tees there , that is not serious.

The Irish Amateur is on - with some of the world leading amateurs - only 13 are under / par and anywhere near their handicap - it is a different story and game to the Open for 50 euro in Edmonstown.

FixdePitchmark

shabalala wrote: »

Roganstown was off the back, that's what I thought u you questioned.

How u explain the 7hcao being 4under, and the 12 being level par.... Maybe the played off the reds???

Well - I've not been far off the 4 under off 7 myslef :P

The guy off 12 being level - can't, will look that one up now

shabalala

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

If you think you can compare a major championship - with white tees there , that is not serious.

The Irish Amateur is on - with some of the world leading amateurs - only 13 are under / par and anywhere near their handicap - it is a different story and game to the Open for 50 euro in Edmonstown.

Explain Roganstown


Explain all 3 winning all 3 scratch cups, the ridiculous scores.


Are you one of them?? Starting to seem you are!