too old?

grumpynerd

When youre older than the guys were when they made your favourite albums is it time to move to jazz and classical?

Im not sure you can be 33 and still mad into death and carcass and sepultura....

scudzilla

grumpynerd wrote: »

When youre older than the guys were when they made your favourite albums is it time to move to jazz and classical?

Im not sure you can be 33 and still mad into death and carcass and sepultura....

yes it is, the older is get he more hardcore i get, and i love it

grumpynerd

I dunno it seems like teens and twenties are the years for caring about cds and electric guitars and angry music about deep stuff.

GLaDOS

No

blastman

^^^^^^^^
I agree with this post

Tigger

grumpynerd wrote: »

When youre older than the guys were when they made your favourite albums is it time to move to jazz and classical?

Im not sure you can be 33 and still mad into death and carcass and sepultura....

why not?
and there is nothing wrong with classical btw although jazz is stupid

montec

grumpynerd wrote: »

When youre older than the guys were when they made your favourite albums is it time to move to jazz and classical?

Im not sure you can be 33 and still mad into death and carcass and sepultura....

Never!!! I'm 42 this year and not only do I still love listening to all this stuff, I try and get together with a few similarly aged friends every now and again for a jam in my garage.
Sad, possibly, great fun, yes and also a great way to get away from it all for an hour or two!!!

GLaDOS

montec wrote: »

Sad, possibly

Not at all. People might judge, but fúck them You're doing something constructive that you enjoy that doesn't hurt anyone. Rock on!

Mr. CooL ICE

Age is just a number. It shouldn't define what you enjoy.

MagicMarker

You're only as old as the girl your favourite rock star was banging when he OD'd on heroin.

Links234

Nope!

Why would I suddenly go "I guess I'll start listening to some other genre I don't like because I've reached some arbitary age"? Why wouldn't I continue to enjoy what I enjoy?

What happens at age 33 anyway? Is there some biological process that occurs where you can't like Rammstein any more? I think this might need more research.

Anesthetize

I'm nearly 29 and I didn't start listening to Carcass until about a year ago.

Oh noes I'm doing it wrong.

devildriver

Sadly for me 40 is well in the rear-view mirror at this stage.

If you asked me when I was in my twenties whether I would still be listening to metal in my forties I would have probably said: no way - I'm sure I'll be listening to Perry Como by the fire in full "pipe and slippers" mode!

Strangely enough that didn't happen. In fact I became more into music than ever, and my horizons broadened to include all sorts of stuff including classical and jazz.

Who would have thought that the bands of the day, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Carcass, Testament etc would still be playing into their 50s?

So do whatever the hell makes you happy at whatever age! The only time to stop is when you stop liking it.

grumpynerd

devildriver wrote: »

Sadly for me 40 is well in the rear-view mirror at this stage.

If you asked me when I was in my twenties whether I would still be listening to metal in my forties I would have probably said: no way - I'm sure I'll be listening to Perry Como by the fire in full "pipe and slippers" mode!

Strangely enough that didn't happen. In fact I became more into music than ever, and my horizons broadened to include all sorts of stuff including classical and jazz.

Who would have thought that the bands of the day, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Carcass, Testament etc would still be playing into their 50s?

So do whatever the hell makes you happy at whatever age! The only time to stop is when you stop liking it.

Yeah I think music is becoming an overall thing from now. Like loads of every kind of music from chant to metal to pop and rock from the 50s.

Maybe its just a case of not being able to live inside music anymore....I still dig metal. Id say more than not those albums are aging well. You cant be 23 forever I guess.

Anesthetize

I don't think broadening horizons is anything to do with age or related to having less time for music. I've met teens who would check out albums from any genre of music and middle-aged people who stubbornly refuse to listen to anything that doesn't involve long hair and guitar solos. It all depends on the person's perspective.

grumpynerd

Anesthetize wrote: »

I don't think broadening horizons is anything to do with age or related to having less time for music. I've met teens who would check out albums from any genre of music and middle-aged people who stubbornly refuse to listen to anything that doesn't involve long hair and guitar solos. It all depends on the person's perspective.

All those youngish faces staring out of the album sleeves... v dislocating. Is it not 1996 anymore?

Anesthetize

grumpynerd wrote: »

All those youngish faces staring out of the album sleeves... v dislocating. Is it not 1996 anymore?

Sense - you're not making it.

Zwillinge

Don't worry GrumpyNerd, we all get that "I'm too friggin old feeling" from time to time, especially if you turn on Kerrang or Scuzz and head tilt at the young fresh happy faces beaming back at you in their flannel shirts and unnaturally straight/styled hair.

But whatever...the music is what makes you happy and young at heart. Myself and my friend were wondering if we'd still be going to gigs when we're in our 50s but then remembered our parents still go to gigs and even stand in the lashings of rain to get up the front.

It's all about what makes you happy

devildriver

Anesthetize wrote: »

I don't think broadening horizons is anything to do with age or related to having less time for music. I've met teens who would check out albums from any genre of music and middle-aged people who stubbornly refuse to listen to anything that doesn't involve long hair and guitar solos. It all depends on the person's perspective.

That's true. I wasn't suggesting that horizons broadened as you get older. It's just that with the advance of technology we now have access to all the music ever created so it's easier to listen to other genres. Back in the day we could only listen to the muck that the mainstream media pumped out on radio and tv as well as the music we sought out ourselves.

Nea

The big 40 is staring me in the face and I think my passion for Metal is increasing the older I get.
I am more willing to try other genres and am going to more gigs and festivals that I did when I was younger.
I will only stop listening when they are putting me in the ground.

In saying that a couple of people have said lately " Dont you think you are getting a bit old for all the gear you wear?"

peter1892

Zwillinge wrote: »

Myself and my friend were wondering if we'd still be going to gigs when we're in our 50s but then remembered our parents still go to gigs and even stand in the lashings of rain to get up the front.

My girlfriend's Dad started going to Glastonbury when he was in his 60's! He would head along with his brother, watch tribute acts like The Bootleg Beatles and then tell people how they were good 'but of course nowhere near as good as the real thing were back in 1963' - and people would buy them beer

Anyway, there's no such thing as 'too old' in this context. Ask Lemmy

buck65

I'm 41 and still listen to extreme metal. I only got into black metal in the past 2 years and have really gotten into Napalm Death again recently.

One thing though is in my 30's I branched off into a lot of different stuff like Coltrane, Miles Davis, Aphex Twin, Mount Eerie and it's great.

Now when my son is in the car we listen to Sufjan Stevens, the Killers, Leonard Cohen some Blut Aus Nord!

Keep the mind open.

He will have some palate when he grows up.

grumpynerd

I dunno. It feels a little like being chanted at by alvin and the chipmunks....


I just had to deliver a couple of early dark tranquility albums to the charity shop. They just sounded too immature to keep going with. Having said that Fiction is holding up really well.

grumpynerd

Having said that people still go mad at all ages for the works of classical composers whose big works somne of which were composed when they were young. And the boomers wont shut up about all the early rock bands even if they sound **** to my ears.


Also with people living longer it's possible the stayiong younger [phase can be stretched out a bit legitimately without being stunted or emotionally immature.


Things were simpler a few years ago.

Links234

grumpynerd wrote: »

I just had to deliver a couple of early dark tranquility albums to the charity shop.

:eek:

Which charity shop?

grumpynerd

skydancer and the gallery are complete crap. Used to like them tho.

Links234

Ah, I have them. Which shop though? The Gallery is one of the finest metal albums ever made, I'm sure someone else would love to pick them up.

dr.fuzzenstein

45, still love Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin. In fact I still love the bands I started out with, Queen, Beatles and Marillion. Just a few years ago discovered Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath.
Along the way I picked up Radiohead, Pink Floyd, Bjork, Frank Zappa, Tom Waits, I could go on for days.
My parents would always tell me I'll grow out of that nonsense and start listening to real music. Thank god that never happened.

grumpynerd

Links234 wrote: »

Ah, I have them. Which shop though? The Gallery is one of the finest metal albums ever made, I'm sure someone else would love to pick them up.

SVP in Bray. The Gallery is awful. Don't understand how anyone older than 15 could enjoy it. Damage Done however sounds as good as ever. Fiction, character, the minds i all ageing well.

Sham Squire

Growing up is giving up.

Harrocks

Bought Deliverance and Wiseblood C.O.C albums in my 20s.Going to see them live in a few weeks in my 40s.Olde Never to Olde......

Lyaiera

Nea wrote: »

I will only stop listening when they are putting me in the ground.

Links234

grumpynerd wrote: »

The Gallery is...

AMAZING!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeOicgRMvTs

dr.fuzzenstein

Now listen up here, this is how it's done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-lSTlUnfA

Nothing can touch this, not even Led Zep. Nothing on earth comes even close.
The only band I look forward to the keyboard solo rather than guitar.

donegal_man

If you're not enjoying the music any more then stop listening to it. That's the only reason to stop, not based on some arbitrary age.

grumpynerd

Im also having a bit of a crisis about heavy metal and illuminism of various shades. Its a long deep rabbit hole.

The new mastodon album reeks of it. Tony Mcalpine - eyes of the world is positively creepy. Even green day look very different from a certain point of view. Hence my sudden dislike of the gallery, although in this case I always did think it was a bad album.


Maybe the music industry illuminism thing doesn't matter. Maybe its a rite of passage to realise how beset with competing ideologies music really is.

I thought heavy metal was 'pure' but when you know the codes, it's all very creepy how things seem very 'different'....

Maybe reality is exactly as dualistic as it seems when you're a child. Maybe it IS all manichean after all.

Hmmmm, not sure where to go with it all now. I mean I always knew about warners/rockefeller, led zeppelin, zz top, the beatles etc....but it all seemed retarded and trivial. But it's kinda hard to find music that ISNT eh a bit 'involved'

Maybe I was just naieve all these years.

grumpynerd

donegal_man wrote: »

If you're not enjoying the music any more then stop listening to it. That's the only reason to stop, not based on some arbitrary age.

Not a fan of 'enjoyment' as a decision-maker.. Brain chemistry life experience ageing generally all feed into musics relevance or depth or longevity.

Things change. I never thought I'd move 'away' from some stuff though. is anything timeless?

GLaDOS

grumpynerd wrote: »

Im also having a bit of a crisis about heavy metal and illuminism of various shades. Its a long deep rabbit hole.

The new mastodon album reeks of it. Tony Mcalpine - eyes of the world is positively creepy. Even green day look very different from a certain point of view. Hence my sudden dislike of the gallery, although in this case I always did think it was a bad album.


Maybe the music industry illuminism thing doesn't matter. Maybe its a rite of passage to realise how beset with competing ideologies music really is.

I thought heavy metal was 'pure' but when you know the codes, it's all very creepy how things seem very 'different'....

Maybe reality is exactly as dualistic as it seems when you're a child. Maybe it IS all manichean after all.

Hmmmm, not sure where to go with it all now. I mean I always knew about warners/rockefeller, led zeppelin, zz top, the beatles etc....but it all seemed retarded and trivial. But it's kinda hard to find music that ISNT eh a bit 'involved'

Maybe I was just naieve all these years.

.... are you talking about the Illuminati?

devildriver

grumpynerd wrote: »

Im also having a bit of a crisis about heavy metal and illuminism of various shades. Its a long deep rabbit hole.

The new mastodon album reeks of it. Tony Mcalpine - eyes of the world is positively creepy. Even green day look very different from a certain point of view. Hence my sudden dislike of the gallery, although in this case I always did think it was a bad album.


Maybe the music industry illuminism thing doesn't matter. Maybe its a rite of passage to realise how beset with competing ideologies music really is.

I thought heavy metal was 'pure' but when you know the codes, it's all very creepy how things seem very 'different'....

Maybe reality is exactly as dualistic as it seems when you're a child. Maybe it IS all manichean after all.

Hmmmm, not sure where to go with it all now. I mean I always knew about warners/rockefeller, led zeppelin, zz top, the beatles etc....but it all seemed retarded and trivial. But it's kinda hard to find music that ISNT eh a bit 'involved'

Maybe I was just naieve all these years.

Emmmm OK...WTF? You've lost me here!

galljga1

If you loves your metal like I loves me metal.....
Not an age thing. I still love metal but I have to say I have not really gotten into many new metal bands in the past decade or so.

dr.fuzzenstein

devildriver wrote: »

Emmmm OK...WTF? You've lost me here!

Well:

grumpynerd wrote: »

Not a fan of 'enjoyment' as a decision-maker.. Brain chemistry life experience ageing generally all feed into musics relevance or depth or longevity.

Things change. I never thought I'd move 'away' from some stuff though. is anything timeless?

That lost me. :pac:
Does it mean Mr Grumpy listens to music not because he enjoys it, but because he has come to an intellectual decision that whatever he's listening to is the right thing, regardless if he likes it or not?
I have to say it is an unusual decision making process, but I'm not knocking it, maybe he gets to listen to stuff he might otherwise might have dismissed? If it works for him, I salute you Grumpy!
I prefer something slightly more melodious. Like the long, drawn-out death rattle of a man suffering from terminal flatulence.

donegal_man

grumpynerd wrote: »

Not a fan of 'enjoyment' as a decision-maker.. Brain chemistry life experience ageing generally all feed into musics relevance or depth or longevity.

Things change. I never thought I'd move 'away' from some stuff though. is anything timeless?

All very true, I certainly listen to music now that I would not have listened to when I was younger but that doesn't mean that I have to stop listening to the music I listened to when I was a teenager. For instance I certainly wouldn't claim that Twisted Sister "Be Chrool To Your Scuel" has the same resonance now as it did in 1985 but I can still sing along to it and enjoy the experience. I can also enjoy the emotional depth of Wagner in a way that I couldn't before gaining a degree of life experience and of course enough German to understand his lyrics without needing to have them translated.
All that being said ultimately I listen to both of them (and AC/DC, Vivaldi, Johnny Cash, Mary Black etc) because they give me pleasure on different levels. I can see no good reason to listen to music one doesn't enjoy, life is simply too short for that.

devildriver

Here's something to throw into the mix:

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/you_stop_listening_to_new_music_at_age_33_study_says

dr.fuzzenstein

You're never too old for this:
(Just try to find anything even half as fun as this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmt2mgmrSUw

Anesthetize

devildriver wrote: »

Here's something to throw into the mix:

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/you_stop_listening_to_new_music_at_age_33_study_says

This study is regarding popular music rather than music in general. The article title is completely misleading.

seachto7

Harrocks wrote: »

Bought Deliverance and Wiseblood C.O.C albums in my 20s.Going to see them live in a few weeks in my 40s.Olde Never to Olde......

Same as!!!

Putt it there

Reckon you're never too old , im 40 now and still listen to slayer , motorhead etc on a daily basis driving .

I would agree with earlier poster about not really liking any new bands in last 10-12 years bar trivium for some reason .

But go to any metal concert and you will see the 40-60 year olds down the back who still love their thrash riffs ! I meet a guy from galway at every slayer concert i go to and hes 58 !!

grumpynerd

yes but if you're keeping up with Metallica Slayer & Trivium it sounds like you were only ever a 'surface' listener.

Those bands have been dad rock for a while now. Like people who go to see Metallica at Marlay park once every decade.

That sounds more critical than I mean it. This is kind of about a deeper levelof music and metal fandom than bands like the above or Cannibal Corpse or Ramstein who've always had the touch of fibbers about them.

I'm not sure whether music is what I thought it was for a long time in terms of random weird semi-hidden memes. Also, the key thing of getting older than the guys were when they made their best albums is quite disorienting.

Also, what do you think about people being quite old and still being legitimately into the beatles, folk,blues,jazz, and clasical?


It seems metal and rock re the most vulnerable to time passing?

grumpynerd

ScienceNerd wrote: »

.... are you talking about the Illuminati?

yup. Never gave a **** until seeing how it's all a lot realler than you might think. Not that it affects me on a psychological or spiritual level, but it's aggravating that even metal isn't impermeable.

The last two Mastodon albums especially are very suspect, sadly.

grumpynerd

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well:



That lost me. :pac:
Does it mean Mr Grumpy listens to music not because he enjoys it, but because he has come to an intellectual decision that whatever he's listening to is the right thing, regardless if he likes it or not?
I have to say it is an unusual decision making process, but I'm not knocking it, maybe he gets to listen to stuff he might otherwise might have dismissed? If it works for him, I salute you Grumpy!
I prefer something slightly more melodious. Like the long, drawn-out death rattle of a man suffering from terminal flatulence.

Sometimes I've gone with something on an instinctive level and not had a proper look at the whys of it. But mostly I tend to layer objective analysis, cultural situation and personal resonance to choose what's 'good' and what's not good.

Of course this feeds nicely into the ROCKefeller & TavistockROCK crisis I'm going through now, when you really understand the counterculture and what it was all for.

Putt it there

Ok some weird stuff here now , without adding to the conspiracy theories id like to say cannibal corpse have less musical talent than any garage band you might cone across , pure ****e in fairness , slayer are fast n heavy but back it up with great music n lyrics n riffs , motorhead cause they're loud and the music is class too .

I like most metal , always have but ****e like slipknot , cannibal corpse , cradel of filth i could do myself with an 8 track recorder !