Mayweather v Khan

Gringo180

The more I think of it I think Khan could give Mayweather some serious problems in the ring. He has got everything that Mayweather would be scared of, reach, accurracy and lightening quick. Onmy thing that would worry me is Amirs chin especially in the early rounds. If it did go the distance I think it would be close, alot closer than last nights fight.

Opinions please, and is there any chance this fight would ever happen? Cheers.

Free Hat

Gringo180 wrote: »

The more I think of it I think Khan could give Mayweather some serious problems in the ring. He has got everything that Mayweather would be scared of, reach, accurracy and lightening quick. Onmy thing that would worry me is Amirs chin especially in the early rounds. If it did go the distance I think it would be close, alot closer than last nights fight.

Opinions please, and is there any chance this fight would ever happen? Cheers.

I assume Khan is in the picture for a fight in September. I agree, he could give Mayweather a good fight. Though I don't see him beating him.

I had a feeling if last nights fight was closer, they would have found a way to fight again.

Big Ears

Free Hat wrote: »

I assume Khan is in the picture for a fight in September. I agree, he could give Mayweather a good fight. Though I don't see him beating him.

I had a feeling if last nights fight was closer, they would have found a way to fight again.

Khan thinks he is, but in truth he's not. There's less risk and more reward in Floyd fighting numerous other opponents, so it won't happen.

Talib Fiasco

Khan would beat Floyd in my eyes but the fight won't happen as Khan will be fasting from June until July and will affect his training.

Tobyglen

I personally have enough of watching Mayweather, find him very boring to watch. Appreciate his skills but he's not worth the money to watch.

Free Hat

Big Ears wrote: »

Khan thinks he is, but in truth he's not. There's less risk and more reward in Floyd fighting numerous other opponents, so it won't happen.

Who do you think he will fight?

Big Ears

Free Hat wrote: »

Who do you think he will fight?

Most likely Danny Garcia, with a chance of it being Cotto should he beat Daniel Geale.

super_furry

There's no hope whatsoever that Mayweather will fight Khan. He knows his speed and unorthodox movement would cause problems for him and he's not going to risk his unbeaten legacy.

Free Hat

Big Ears wrote: »

Most likely Danny Garcia, with a chance of it being Cotto should he beat Daniel Geale.

They are the two names I was thinking about, he beat Cotto quite easily before so I wonder if people want to see that.

Danny Garcia is a good shout.

Big Ears

Free Hat wrote: »

They are the two names I was thinking about, he beat Cotto quite easily before so I wonder if people want to see that.

Danny Garcia is a good shout.

Well I sure as hell don't want to see it, but Cotto has a huge fanbase, is a big name in general and also is the lineal Middleweight champion, a title Floyd would love to take (while fighting at some stupid catchweight like 152 lbs).

The Garcia fight is a **** one aswell, but it's a very easy sell.

Chrissybhoy

So now pacquiao is out of the way. Looks like people are going to say he's ducking Amir Khan the fella shouldn't be mentioned in the same name as Mayweather. Alergi is more of Khans company leave him there

Big Ears

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

So now pacquiao is out of the way. Looks like people are going to say he's ducking Amir Khan the fella shouldn't be mentioned in the same name as Mayweather. Alergi is more of Khans company leave him there

I haven't seen anyone saying Mayweather is ducking Khan. There are better fighters out there for Mayweather to face than Khan, there are higher ranked fighter out there than Khan. But the reason Khan is mentioned is because stylistically it's probably the hardest fight for Floyd at Welterweight and people want to see Floyd in the hardest fight possible.

I'd like to see it. I'd expect Floyd to deal with Khan's speed and combinations, but it'd be a damn site more interesting than 6 toes Garcia.
Also Khan dominated Devon Alexander in his last fight, which is very impressive because Alexander has been in with some high quality guys and that's never been done.

magma69

I don't think Devon Alexander or Algeri should earn you a shot at Mayweather. Let's be honest, he hasn't had a win against a top fighter in years and has achieved very little at welterweight.

He should have fought Bradley when it was on the table recently but he ducked him to fight Algeri, it just shows his team aren't too confident in him.

Joeseph Balls

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

So now pacquiao is out of the way. Looks like people are going to say he's ducking Amir Khan the fella shouldn't be mentioned in the same name as Mayweather. Alergi is more of Khans company leave him there

I wouldn't say people think he's ducking him. But he didn't want the fight last year.

Chrissybhoy

Because he took the harder fight in Maidana

super_furry

Think we might well see a Pacquiao rematch. There's no other fight out there that will earn Mayweather as much as a rematch and they're already talking up that injured shoulder a bit too much.

Joeseph Balls

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Because he took the harder fight in Maidana

I don't think many people viewed it as a hard fight before it happened. Pointless, stupid poll to put up anyway.

DylanAFC

I don't think Khan will fight in September because of Ramadan. That's a dangerous fight for Floyd, Khan could pose him serious problems.

Personally, I don't want to see Cotto, Garcia, Pac man rematch. I'd like to see him fight one of the young guys. Brook, Thurman or (No chance of happening) GGG at Middleweight. Now that would be something.

Joeseph Balls

super_furry wrote: »

Think we might well see a Pacquiao rematch. There's no other fight out there that will earn Mayweather as much as a rematch and they're already talking up that injured shoulder a bit too much.

I don't think I'd have any interest in a rematch. Did Floyd say anything about Mannys punches after the fight? Hard etc?

Talib Fiasco

GGG said he'd come down to 154 to fight Floyd which is ballsy because I think he'd have to kill himself to make 154...he'd obviously kill himself in camp to make the weight and hope his power would take Floyd out in under four because if Floyd took him the 12 it could do serious damage to Golovkin. Personally I think the fight is a pipe dream. I think if Floyd fought Cotto at 158 it'd be probably a better fight. Cotto has done well under Roach and he'd have learned from the first fight. He had some good joy in the first fight and Roach obviously knows Mayweather better now than he did back then. Khan is the obvious pick at 147. I think only him and Bradley have a chance. Thurman isn't good enough to even push Floyd I think. He also doesn't have the power to trouble Floyd too much.

The only thing I wish is that accident never happened to poor Paul Williams. To think he was due to fight Canelo in a few weeks after that happened. He'd have beaten Canelo too I'd say and Floyd might have been forced to fight him, no matter how hard he ducked him in the past. I think he would have given Floyd his hardest night that's for sure. It's funny though, Boxing is always a sport about ifs and buts. I felt Lara beat Paul when they fought and he may have well have gotten the big fight as Lara wasn't as known back then and Floyd might have just presumed he was a decent boxer and nothing more. Even now, after Lara has lost to Canelo I still think he'd beat Floyd. I think he's the slickest boxer out there and the slickest I have seen in a very long time at that. But yeah enough of me going off in a tangent... I'll be shocked if it's not Cherry Garcia getting the nod to fight Floyd in September

Chrissybhoy

Khan has come out and said he will fight Mayweather in pacquiao. Saw in text on sky sports news this morning. Bradley could get it bigger name the Thurman even tho Thurman would give a better fight.

Henno30

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

The only thing I wish is that accident never happened to poor Paul Williams. To think he was due to fight Canelo in a few weeks after that happened. He'd have beaten Canelo too I'd say and Floyd might have been forced to fight him, no matter how hard he ducked him in the past. I think he would have given Floyd his hardest night that's for sure. It's funny though, Boxing is always a sport about ifs and buts. I felt Lara beat Paul when they fought and he may have well have gotten the big fight as Lara wasn't as known back then and Floyd might have just presumed he was a decent boxer and nothing more. Even now, after Lara has lost to Canelo I still think he'd beat Floyd. I think he's the slickest boxer out there and the slickest I have seen in a very long time at that. But yeah enough of me going off in a tangent... I'll be shocked if it's not Cherry Garcia getting the nod to fight Floyd in September

Is that not a bit fanciful? Lara dismantled Paul and there's a good argument he was done after Sergio iced him.

At 147 he was nightmare for anyone alright. I personally think his fight with Margarito was one of the best welterweight bouts of the last 30 years.

Talib Fiasco

Henno30 wrote: »

Is that not a bit fanciful? Lara dismantled Paul and there's a good argument he was done after Sergio iced him.

At 147 he was nightmare for anyone alright. I personally think his fight with Margarito was one of the best welterweight bouts of the last 30 years.

That's true in a way, I guess we'll never know. The Sergio KO was obviously brutal and probably took a chunk out of him yeah. But his size and skill level was so ridiculous at that weight coupled with solid power would cause Floyd all types of problems. A more offence minded Floyd of the past would probably tackle him but I dunno, the more defence minded Floyd under Floyd Sr. might invite Paul's ridiculous high volume punches on him and Paul would use his range and size to sneak rounds. But yeah this is all speculative...he did get outboxed by Lara for the most part and who's to say Floyd wouldn't do the same. Still would be a fascinating clash of styles. To think Paul is only 33 now...the amount of big fights he could have had in the last two/three years. Canelo, Floyd, Cotto, GGG, Martinez III etc. So many boxers never fulfil their potential (Gamboa and Mikey Garcia I am talking to you two) but to have it taken away like Paul is devastating.

Big Ears

Henno30 wrote: »

Is that not a bit fanciful? Lara dismantled Paul and there's a good argument he was done after Sergio iced him.

At 147 he was nightmare for anyone alright. I personally think his fight with Margarito was one of the best welterweight bouts of the last 30 years.

TBH I've always held the same view that Paul Williams might be the man to get the job done. The 5 inch height advantage, 7 inch reach advantage, Southpaw stance, and Paul having the workrate to throw well above 1,000 punches in a fight means I think he'd have been in with a great shot.

Plenty of guys have been able to win rounds off Mayweather by backing him to the ropes and throwing flurries of punches (Jesus Chavez, DLH, Cotto, Maidana), but it's just not a sustainable 12 round strategy for almost any fighter. Paul Williams is an exception, he could throw over 100 punches a round without slowing down.


Of course maybe Mayweather would find a way to completely shut him out...but we'll never know now

themandan6611

Big Ears wrote: »

TBH I've always held the same view that Paul Williams might be the man to get the job done. (

for god sake, he is a god-damn writer, how the hell would he win a fight ?? :eek:

Talib Fiasco

pac_man wrote: »

I'm interested into why you'd think this?

First off Khan is without question the faster man. Floyd is in decline whereas Khan is arguably hitting his prime years. Khan also is a great combination puncher and that'll benefit him greatly too. Since Hunter has began to train him he's improved in every aspect if his game and the naiveity around him has disappeared. I also think he can take a punch a lot better now and in fairness there's no shame in being downed by a Danny Garcia left hook, it's like a hammer.

Khan also wouldn't give up a size or reach advantage by fighting Floyd, their virtually the same there. I think Khan's in and out style with his speed would be enough to get by Mayweather. Undoubtedly Floyd at 38 is probably the biggest factor. He's in decline, his head isn't fully in the sport any more and motivation must be getting difficult. Khan seems like a man possessed over the Floyd fight. I think he's at his peak now and has all the natural ability to outbox Floyd.

davegrohl48

I think Khan would beat Mayweather as he has the much quicker left jab and straight right. Khan also has a good record of accuracy in his punches against good fighters. Either jab or power punches he lands a good percentage of his shots. So if Mayweather goes to the ropes Khan is likely to land his shots better than most fighters Mayweather has faced.
I don't expect the fight to happen. Mayweather will not risk his record against a guy with a longer reach and a quicker left jab.

Bubolor

Mayweather would dominate Khan.

Talib Fiasco

Bubolor wrote: »

Mayweather would dominate Khan.

Care to elaborate besides saying something along the lines of Mayweather has beaten Pacquiao and Oscar who're better than Khan therefore he beats Khan easily.

Bubolor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Care to elaborate besides saying something along the lines of Mayweather has beaten Pacquiao and Oscar who're better than Khan therefore he beats Khan easily.

He's the best boxer of his generation, Khan struggles against nobodies.

Talib Fiasco

Bubolor wrote: »

He's the best boxer of his generation, Khan struggles against nobodies.

Names of these nobodies?

Bubolor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Names of these nobodies?

Moulina, Diaz and Collazo.

Talib Fiasco

Bubolor wrote: »

Moulina, Diaz and Collazo.

Surely cannot be serious... Khan destroyed Molina, winning practically every round and knocking him out. He also put a beating on Collazo, albeit an aged Collazo but it is still a good victory for anyone and Khan won very handily. An labelling Collazo as a nobody is as laughable as the claim Khan struggled. I agree he struggled with Diaz but he simply fought the wrong fight there, the fact he actually scraped a win shows great character to me. But overall your post is highly flawed and you still haven't answered the question of how Floyd dominates Khan

davegrohl48

Go back and look at the compubox stats for volume and accuracy and there are very few top fighters landing 40-50% of their punches regularly in most rounds of fights. With that left jab he is a good boxer. He has an iffy chin though.

Bubolor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Surely cannot be serious... Khan destroyed Molina, winning practically every round and knocking him out. He also put a beating on Collazo, albeit an aged Collazo but it is still a good victory for anyone and Khan won very handily. An labelling Collazo as a nobody is as laughable as the claim Khan struggled. I agree he struggled with Diaz but he simply fought the wrong fight there, the fact he actually scraped a win shows great character to me. But overall your post is highly flawed and you still haven't answered the question of how Floyd dominates Khan

He dominates Khan, the same way he dominates most opponents, by utilising his superior ring IQ, awareness, jab, defense and straight right. Khan doesn'the have the power to be a serious threat.

walshb

Bubolor wrote: »

He dominates Khan, the same way he dominates most opponents, by utilising his superior ring IQ, awareness, jab, defense and straight right. Khan doesn'the have the power to be a serious threat.

Not very convincing. Power alone isn't the way to beat Floyd. Speed and size and volume and fitness are more important than power IMO. Khan has the height and reach and range. Very difficult to outbox and is lightning fast with deceptively long arms. He has all the physical tools to be a real puzzle for Floyd. Mentally and intelligently is something he can work on.

Henno30

Bubolor wrote: »

He dominates Khan, the same way he dominates most opponents, by utilising his superior ring IQ, awareness, jab, defense and straight right. Khan doesn'the have the power to be a serious threat.

Fascinating breakdown.

Henno30

Mexican Coke wrote: »

People can waffle all they like about why certain fighters will beat Mayweather but time and time again Mayweather figures them out with relative ease. Inadequate ring IQ is why Khan won't be a threat

Yes, and people can just parrot phrases like 'ring IQ' and 'adjustments' and give the impression they know what they're talking about.

Big Ears

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Surely cannot be serious... Khan destroyed Molina, winning practically every round and knocking him out. He also put a beating on Collazo, albeit an aged Collazo but it is still a good victory for anyone and Khan won very handily. An labelling Collazo as a nobody is as laughable as the claim Khan struggled. I agree he struggled with Diaz but he simply fought the wrong fight there, the fact he actually scraped a win shows great character to me. But overall your post is highly flawed and you still haven't answered the question of how Floyd dominates Khan

Collazo is tremedously underated. Many Felt he beat Hatton (I thought Ricky edged it), many felt he beat Berto, he has wins over Victor Ortiz, Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Jose Antonio Rivera.
Barring an early loss to Edwin Cassiani The only time he's lost to a fighter who wasn't World level was Freddy Hernandez. Other than the Khan fight, the only time he's been dominated was against Shane Mosley and that's a fight where he broke his hand in the 2nd round. He won the 1st round !

Collazo is certainly not a nobody (even now), and Khan did anything but struggle against him, it was an excellent performance.

Big Ears

Mexican Coke wrote: »

Mayweather would easily defeat Khan in my opinion, his ring IQ is far too superior combined with his speed, reflexes an excellent defense.

Well if asked to give a reason why Floyd Mayweather beat Amir Khan, I might have said Khan can still come forward in straight lines quite a lot, throws predicatble combinations and doesn't move his head very well.

Mayweather would be able to time him on the way in and land hard straight right hand counters which would repeatedly hurt Khan and force him onto his bike and maybe eventually stop Amir. His footspeed would also allow him to still land when Khan spins off after attacks.


But in the future I'll remember to just say Mayweather's ring IQ is too much for him. Cheers.

davegrohl48

Have a look at the Khan - Alexander fight. If Khan can stay on his feet for six rounds Mayweather is going to have to face genuine speed and fitness in the final six rounds. At 38 years of age. Mayweathers fights have lately been fought at a pedestrian pace. Mayweather can not out speed Khan to the first punch. Hence he needs more punch volume than usual. Khan can win without having to come inside. Left jab and straight right using his superior reach and speed.

Panic E

Mayweather wanted a fight with Cotto again before the network forced him to sign up with Pacquiao.

So it's safe to assume he is the forerunner. I'd like to see him matched with Bradley but it's unlikely.

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

Mayweather wanted a fight with Cotto again before the network forced him to sign up with Pacquiao.

So it's safe to assume he is the forerunner. I'd like to see him matched with Bradley but it's unlikely.

Bradley would be a stinker of a name and fighter.

Cotto? Been there and done that. I reckon the heavier Cotto gets beaten easier this time.

Johner

It's nailed that Danny Garcia will be offered the fight as he's 30-0 and the fight will sell. After really impressing me against Matthysse I think Garcia has been very disappointing, but the fact that he is 30-0 will get him the fight. Will he step up though?

walshb

Johner wrote: »

It's nailed that Danny Garcia will be offered the fight as he's 30-0 and the fight will sell. After really impressing me against Matthysse I think Garcia has been very disappointing, but the fact that he is 30-0 will get him the fight. Will he step up though?

Ill watch that. I don't think he is much threat to Floyd, though you never know if he manages to land a clean left hook.

TheNap

Khan wont be Mayweathers next fight.

Khan cant fight in September.

It wont be a rematch with Cotto either.

Its will more than likely be Cotto 2 , Garcia or Canelo 2

boxer.fan

Johner wrote: »

It's nailed that Danny Garcia will be offered the fight as he's 30-0 and the fight will sell. After really impressing me against Matthysse I think Garcia has been very disappointing, but the fact that he is 30-0 will get him the fight. Will he step up though?

I'm not sure what the reason is but I just can't really get in to Garcia. Since the Khan KO he has been pretty much unimpressive. I would even say he lost to Herrera.
Easy win for Floyd if it happens.

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

Bradley would be a stinker of a name and fighter.

Cotto? Been there and done that. I reckon the heavier Cotto gets beaten easier this time.

Your probably right, I just think he could maybe give Floyd trouble as could Khan.

His next fight? If its not Golovkin I'm not interested, he will likely choose Cotto though.

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

Your probably right, I just think he could maybe give Floyd trouble as could Khan.

His next fight? If its not Golovkin I'm not interested, he will likely choose Cotto though.

Bradley for me hasn't the physicality to trouble Floyd. Khan does. It's clear for me that size and talent are needed. Speed also. Canelo, for example, had the weight and size, but slow feet and not the best defense. Too slow getting off. Mayweather loves this. Floyd's output is not near what it used to be in terms of substance. I could see Khan really exploit this.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Bradley for me hasn't the physicality to trouble Floyd. Khan does. It's clear for me that size and talent are needed. Speed also. Canelo, for example, had the weight and size, but slow feet and not the best defense. Too slow getting off. Mayweather loves this. Floyd's output is not near what it used to be in terms of substance. I could see Khan really exploit this.

Bradley has the ability to make Floyd look bad, but the not the ability to win.
He might steal a few rounds, but he has no chance of victory.

What a record he'd have if he could get a win over Floyd.
He's already been the lineal champion at Light-Welterweight, holds wins over Manny Pacquiao, Juan Manuel Marquez, Devon Alexander, Junior Witter, Lamont Peterson, Joel Casamayor, Kendall Holt, Ruslan Provodnikov and Miguel Vaquez.
But I get the feeling when his career is over he'll be largely forgotten.

TheNap

walshb wrote: »

Bradley for me hasn't the physicality to trouble Floyd. Khan does. It's clear for me that size and talent are needed. Speed also. Canelo, for example, had the weight and size, but slow feet and not the best defense. Too slow getting off. Mayweather loves this. Floyd's output is not near what it used to be in terms of substance. I could see Khan really exploit this.

But Khan cant fight in September so is ruled out