Woman gets suspended sentence for assaulting child

lickme

rte.ie/news/2015/0501/698131-suspended-sentence-for-assaulting-child/

What kind of justice system do we have eh?

obriendj

lickme wrote: »

rte.ie/news/2015/0501/698131-suspended-sentence-for-assaulting-child/

What kind of justice system do we have eh?

He said "on balance" a suspended sentence was appropriate

Another brilliant decision by an incompetent judge. (obviously without knowing all the facts but doing in to a kids room with intention of smacking him around seems quite stonewall.)

if it was a man who did this i wonder would a suspended sentence be sufficient?

alchemist33

Judge Martin Nolan accepted that the woman had had "problems" of her own as she had miscarried around the time of the incident.

He also accepted the findings of a psychological report which indicated that the woman is not a threat to children.

He said "on balance" a suspended sentence was appropriate as "this was a crime committed under pressures and circumstances pertaining at the time."

Some of the circumstances being that she was drunk at the time. I now it's shooting a fish in a barrel to say this, but a man would not have got off with a suspended sentence in similar circumstances.

DamoKen

RTE wrote:

She said she went to the boy's room while he was sleeping and started to punch him.

She then dragged him from his room into her own bedroom, where she threw him against a wall and he hit his head.

She brought the child downstairs where she told gardaí she continued to hit him with a mop......

........He also accepted the findings of a psychological report which indicated that the woman is not a threat to children.

well that's a relief. Was worried for a minute there

blinding

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0501/698131-suspended-sentence-for-assaulting-child/

In that article some psychologist said that she was not a danger to children.

I think I would ask the child if she was a danger to him.

I do not believe a man would be treated so leniently for such an attack and being an obvious danger to children.

zeffabelli

Holy crap. Wow.

There goes his access rights.

Day Lewin

On the received evidence, I wouldn't have much faith in that psychologist.

What would count as a "threat to children"? If continued beating with a mop when drunk does not?

She later admitted to gardaí that she drank three bottles of wine that night and was upset and angry.

She said she went to the boy's room while he was sleeping and started to punch him.

She then dragged him from his room into her own bedroom, where she threw him against a wall and he hit his head.

She brought the child downstairs where she told gardaí she continued to hit him with a mop.

The woman told officers she did not have much recollection of the assault and she later fell asleep with the boy.

What the ****? She done all that to a six year old? Well that's all kinds of ****ed up. Poor youngfella

Micky Dolenz

This kinda thing boils my piss. Poor kid asleep in his bed, a place which should be the safest place in the world, dragged from a slumber to be beaten on a whim. The violation of his safety is more a crime than the physical abuse imo. How long before he sleeps easy again?

We should live in a society where we protect those who can not protect themselves. You abuse children and you should be punished harshly.

I hope the kid gets over this and doesn't fcuk them up too much.

Links234

Jesus ****ing christ! :eek:

The hell is wrong with the judges in this country? Seriously, suspended sentences handed out for everything under the sun. But if you don't pay your TV liscence? That's gonna land you in jail. ****ing hell :mad:

alchemist33

alchemist33 wrote: »

Some of the circumstances being that she was drunk at the time. I now it's shooting a fish in a barrel to say this, but a man would not have got off with a suspended sentence in similar circumstances.

How would a man miscarry?

eviltwin

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

This kinda thing boils my piss. Poor kid asleep in his bed, a place which should be the safest place in the world, dragged from a slumber to be beaten on a whim. The violation of his safety is more a crime than the physical abuse imo. How long before he sleeps easy again?

We should live in a society where we protect those who can not protect themselves. You abuse children and you should be punished harshly.

I hope the kid gets over this and doesn't fcuk them up too much.

That's the scary part, the child wasn't doing anything, she can't argue that she was 'provoked' he was sleeping. :eek: How could anyone do that to a little kid.

DamoKen

Deleted User wrote: »

How would a man miscarry?

if he didn't lift from the knees?

Summer wind

She may not be doing time but I would be if she did that to my child. I'd break that mop in two halves off her back. The poor little boy was taken into care because his own dad even told the police he believed his girlfriend. What an evil bitch she is. When will parents learn to listen to children. I hope he's doing ok now.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

So beating children is a non punishable offence...?

Sad state of affairs.

VisibleGorilla

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

So beating children is a non punishable offence...?

Sad state of affairs.

She has been punished, a suspended sentence is a punishment. She now has a criminal conviction against her.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

So beating children is a non punishable offence...?

Sad state of affairs.

I don't think the Court said that, did it?

I presume the Judge would only have dealt with the particular case in front of him. Where he handed down a punishment, a suspended sentence.

If he said that beating a child did not merit a punishment, then he is very wrong.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

She has been punished, a suspended sentence is a punishment. She now has a criminal conviction against her.

She can have another three bottles of wine tonight, and tomorrow ect. and do whatever else she wants as a free person.

That's not a punishment.

PrettyBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

How would a man miscarry?

Couldn't give a f*ck what her personal circumstances were at the time, there's no excuse for getting hammered and taking out your anger by beating a helpless, innocent child.

Vandango

The incompetence of the Irish judiciary never ceases to amaze me.

Akrasia

I have a 6 year old child. The thought of someone doing anything like that to him makes my blood boil. She could have killed the poor kid.

The poor kid will be having nightmares for the rest of his childhood. What a horrible horrible thing for anyone to do to a child.

sonofenoch

Why are the women rarely or never named in these cases to 'protect the child's identity' .....whereas if it's a male offender he'll always be named

VisibleGorilla

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

She can have another three bottles of wine tonight, and tomorrow ect. and do whatever else she wants as a free person.

That's not a punishment.

Yes, so?

Of course it's a punishment. If she comes before the courts again she'll have this 2 year sentence to do and whatever else she is given.

PrettyBoy

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Of course it's a punishment. If she comes before the courts again she'll have this 2 year sentence to do and whatever else she is given.

It's not an appropriate punishment.

Akrasia

to be run concurrently?

SEPT 23 1989

sonofenoch wrote: »

Why are the women rarely or never named in these cases to 'protect the child's identity' .....whereas if it's a male offender he'll always be named

they don't name anybody if there is a child involved unless the child dies

VisibleGorilla

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's not an appropriate punishment.

According to you, yet according to a judge of many years experience who knows the full facts of the case it is.

What is an appropriate punishment in your eyes and why?

zeffabelli

Akrasia wrote: »

I have a 6 year old child. The thought of someone doing anything like that to him makes my blood boil. She could have killed the poor kid.

The poor kid will be having nightmares for the rest of his childhood. What a horrible horrible thing for anyone to do to a child.

Im assuming dad is non custodial but I could be wrong.

Assuming mother is the custodian I would not doubt for a second she will take out a restraining order via the family courts on the step mother.

somefeen

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Yes, so?

Of course it's a punishment. If she comes before the courts again she'll have this 2 year sentence to do and whatever else she is given.

My arse
A suspeneded sentence is like being told to behave yourself.
Its a yellow card, its not a real punishment, its a threat of punishment if you dont cop on.
Sentences should reflect societies' view of the offence. I think most right minded people would consider two years in prison lenient for brutally and repeatedly beating a child with obvious intent to harm.

blinding

The child was lucky the psychological report said she was no danger to children !

I would hate to have seen what she would have done if she was a danger to children !

Neyite

Plenty of women miscarry without beating a tiny child senseless.

In fact its pretty rare to find a woman who hasn't experienced a miscarriage, considering they estimate 25% or more of pregnancies end in one. How the fcuk do you excuse beating one baby because you are sad you lost a different one??

My blood is boiling reading that, and I really hope that the boy is safe now.

zeffabelli

I'm curious as to why RTE mentions she is Latvian but leaves out the nationalities of the father and the child.

Penny Tration

It's judge Nolan. No surprise at the sentence.

Rapists, child beaters and paedophiles must be delighted when he's the fool chosen to sentence them

zeffabelli

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

It's judge Nolan. No surprise at the sentence.

Rapists, child beaters and paedophiles must be delighted when he's the fool chosen to sentence them

Isnt he the famous garlic judge?

Penny Tration

zeffabelli wrote: »

Isnt he the famous garlic judge?

He also likes to let rapists pay off their victims.

Neyite

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

He also likes to let rapists pay off their victims.

Oh that judge...

Figures.

zeffabelli

Neyite wrote: »

Plenty of women miscarry without beating a tiny child senseless.

In fact its pretty rare to find a woman who hasn't experienced a miscarriage, considering they estimate 25% or more of pregnancies end in one. How the fcuk do you excuse beating one baby because you are sad you lost a different one??

My blood is boiling reading that, and I really hope that the boy is safe now.

Im guessing this has more to do with resentment of having to care for a child that isn't hers, when she carry her her own.

Lots of interesting evolutionary psychology on step parents.

Apparantly a step parent is 131 more likely to kill a child than a biological parent.

Read up on Cinderella affect.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201101/why-are-stepparents-more-likely-kill-their-children

Jenny Thalia

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

He also likes to let rapists pay off their victims.

I thought he did it in one case.

Has he done it a few times? How many?

His bed. The child was asleep in his bed. Jesus fcuking Christ.

Not a threat to kids? What happens next time something traumatic happens in her life? We all have hardship at some point, we don't drag a child from their bed and beat them because of it.

hollypink

zeffabelli wrote: »

Im assuming dad is non custodial but I could be wrong.

Assuming mother is the custodian I would not doubt for a second she will take out a restraining order via the family courts on the step mother.

According to the Irish Times , the father has custody:

The court heard that the child’s father had sole custody of him after his mother left him when he was two years old.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-who-threw-partner-s-child-against-wall-to-be-sentenced-1.2195423

Poor little man, how could anyone do that to a child?

alchemist33

Deleted User wrote: »

How would a man miscarry?

Similar, not identical. For a man, imagine some other tragic event plus drinking, and see if beating up a child would end up with a suspended sentence.

Vandango

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's not an appropriate punishment.

According to you, yet according to a judge of many years experience who knows the full facts of the case it is.

You clearly haven't been following the sentencing patterns of some Irish judges. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to defend such nonsense. Punishment my arsé.

Penny Tration

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I thought he did it in one case.

Has he done it a few times? How many?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-sexually-assaults-teen-outside-chip-shop-to-pay-15000-to-escape-jail-28820234.html

There's another sexual assault victim paid off on order of that twat.

zeffabelli

hollypink wrote: »

According to the Irish Times , the father has custody:


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-who-threw-partner-s-child-against-wall-to-be-sentenced-1.2195423

Poor little man, how could anyone do that to a child?

That poor kid was abandoned by his mother and has to continue living with this new c***.

Neyite

She said she went to the boy's room while he was sleeping and started to punch him.
She then dragged him from his room into her own bedroom, where she threw him against a wall and he hit his head.
She brought the child downstairs where she told gardaí she continued to hit him with a mop.
The woman told officers she did not have much recollection of the assault and she later fell asleep with the boy.

This is what gets me. It was a long sustained assault where she dragged the poor wee mite from his bed, punched him, then dragged him to another room throwing him against the wall like a rag doll, then she dragged him downstairs to continue the beating with an implement until she presumably either got tired, or passed out.

How is this not a danger to children??

hatrickpatrick

lickme wrote: »

What kind of justice system do we have eh?

An Injustice system. :mad:

hatrickpatrick

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

She has been punished, a suspended sentence is a punishment. She now has a criminal conviction against her.

Bollocks. A suspended sentence is not a punishment, and certainly not a punishment which fits this kind of crime. A suspended sentence would be appropriate for drug possession or other non violent sh!te, not assault. Ever.

eviltwin

Neyite wrote: »

This is what gets me. It was a long sustained assault where she dragged the poor wee mite from his bed, punched him, then dragged him to another room throwing him against the wall like a rag doll, then she dragged him downstairs to continue the beating with an implement until she presumably either got tired, or passed out.

How is this not a danger to children??

That's the vital part for me. He was IN BED. It's difficult when you're suffering or under pressure and you have a child wrecking your head. People snap. But she deliberately targeted the child. It's evil.

Maguined

zeffabelli wrote: »

That poor kid was abandoned by his mother and has to continue living with this new c***.

The relationship is over now though he seemed too trusting in the first place.

The woman was questioned by gardaí but denied causing the injuries. The boy was initially taken into foster care as his father still didn’t believe the accused had attacked his son.

The woman made a statement to gardaí 11 days later admitting the attack. Her relationship with the father ended and the boy returned to live with him.

Areyouwell

Vandango wrote: »

You clearly haven't been following the sentencing patterns of some Irish judges. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to defend such nonsense. Punishment my arsé.

Amen to that.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

A suspended sentence would be appropriate for drug possession or other non violent sh!te, not assault. Ever.

On the contrary, suspended sentences are very suitable for assaults in many situations, the drunken brawl where a few digs are thrown etc.