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A bad smell in the air.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    It's just a sales event for Microsoft Azure.

    Nothing more than than Microsoft finally realising that "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em".

    They have a load of Linux images available for use on Azure, this is just adding another one to the list, so they saw an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon to promote Azure.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    I can see it becoming a wing of MS if under a different name. The open source server market would be an interesting one if MS were to join in and it wouldn't surprise me with Oracle and Redhat supplying the market in some way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    ..... and those who see nothing to worry about in this must have very short memories ....

    Not even 20 pieces of silver, just a few slices of cake ...... nice one MS ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Am I missing something? :confused:

    I really don't see the issue here. Amazon also offer a large selection of Linux images for their cloud service.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Am I missing something? :confused:

    I really don't see the issue here. Amazon also offer a large selection of Linux images for their cloud service.

    In one hand they claim to be embracing the open source movement, in the other they are members of the secure boot and uefi cartel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Kavrocks


    In one hand they claim to be embracing the open source movement, in the other they are members of the secure boot and uefi cartel
    I dont see what the issue with UEFI is. Secure Boot ok but UEFI seems like a good progression.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    But MS are pushing in the direction of allowing manufacturers to not be compelled include the secure boot switch facility - effectively closing hardware to anything other than Windows. Unless, of course, you are willing to pay extra for your hardware to be switchable so it will accept Linux or BSD or whatever else isn't Windows.
    Anti-competitive - you bet, but without dirtying their hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Kavrocks


    excollier wrote: »
    But MS are pushing in the direction of allowing manufacturers to not be compelled include the secure boot switch facility
    Wasn't that a rumour which was backtracked on a week after it was first reported?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    No smoke without fire........


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    No option to disable it on Arm hardware


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    excollier wrote: »
    Anti-competitive - you bet, but without dirtying their hands.


    but the Debian app for Windows10 runs well, loads .debs really quickly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Maybe they truly believe that they own your hardware.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    gctest50 wrote: »
    but the Debian app for Windows10 runs well, loads .debs really quickly
    But what if I don't want Windows in future? I don't have a trace of it now, and don't want it in future.
    Why should MS have the power to make me pay extra for hardware they neither own nor manufacture?
    If others want Windows, fine, but no-one should be penalised for not wanting it.
    Anyway, this cosying up to Debian is more than a little creepy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Kavrocks


    This escalated into a rant about Microsoft quickly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    If the cap fits. There's a lot to rant about, but I'll let it rest there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    excollier wrote: »
    But what if I don't want Windows in future?............


    when the revolution comes we will all drive Mercedes
    what if i don't want to drive a Mercedes

    when the revolution comes you won't have a choice etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    excollier wrote: »
    There's a lot to rant about, but I'll let it rest there

    Good. I'm sick of people ranting about Microsoft as though they are the second coming of Hitler. Grow up and discuss facts, not FUD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Good. I'm sick of people ranting about Microsoft as though they are the second coming of Hitler. Grow up and discuss facts, not FUD.

    That would be nice ....... could we get the same commitment from the MS FUD spreaders?

    Is it not reasonable to react to FUD to attempt to correct it?

    http://techrights.org/2015/04/27/more-blackmail-and-propaganda/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne



    I don't think I've ever read a tech article that is so hysterical.

    It's full of hearsay and hysteria:

    Seriously? What's an anti-Android company? Apple?

    This kind of hysterical anti-Microsoft drivel does nothing other than reinforce jaded stereotypes of rabid Microsoft haters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever read a tech article that is so hysterical.

    It's full of hearsay and hysteria:





    Seriously? What's an anti-Android company? Apple?

    This kind of hysterical anti-Microsoft drivel does nothing other than reinforce jaded stereotypes of rabid Microsoft haters.

    As I pointed out that is what you are going to get when the likes of MS and its supporters/fan-boys refer to other OSs as cancer and other such FUD.

    As an aside .... I have no idea how anyone could actually hate an OS ...... seems rather hysterical to use 'hate' in that regard. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops



    As an aside .... I have no idea how anyone could actually hate an OS ...... seems rather hysterical to use 'hate' in that regard. ;)

    Does that mean you also can't love an OS?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    syklops wrote: »
    Does that mean you also can't love an OS?

    It most definitely does ....... and also means I have no idea how anyone could 'love' any OS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    I wonder if I'd love my Lenovo Yoga even more if it ran Linux.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    I wonder if I'd love my Lenovo Yoga even more if it ran Linux.

    I love all my Lenovo devices. They run a mixture of android and linux.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    I wonder if I'd love my Lenovo Yoga even more if it ran Linux.
    syklops wrote: »
    I love all my Lenovo devices. They run a mixture of android and linux.

    The best Lenovo of all is the one that has had some minor cosmetic work carried out with the use of a hammer!

    electronics-smashed-003.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭4512


    Probly ****e


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Itzy wrote: »
    The best Lenovo of all is the one that has had some minor cosmetic work carried out with the use of a hammer!

    This should be good.

    Why?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    syklops wrote: »
    This should be good.

    Why?

    Firstly, I've had two through work and the design of both doesn't exactly appeal to me. Looks a bit too blocky. On the other hand, they perform well, but that's not something that would hook my interest.

    I'd rather a top end HP or Alienware Machine, as they both perform very well and look good. The only downside being the price.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Itzy wrote: »
    Firstly, I've had two through work and the design of both doesn't exactly appeal to me. Looks a bit too blocky. On the other hand, they perform well, but that's not something that would hook my interest.

    I'd rather a top end HP or Alienware Machine, as they both perform very well and look good. The only downside being the price.

    I was going to take you seriously until you said Alienware, that's just a Dell with go faster stripes. You do realise Lenovo bought the HP ThinkPad division


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    You do realise Lenovo bought the HP ThinkPad division

    Lenovo bought the IBM computer division, including the laptop rights.

    Details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Mergers_and_acquisitions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Itzy wrote: »
    Firstly, I've had two through work and the design of both doesn't exactly appeal to me. Looks a bit too blocky. On the other hand, they perform well, but that's not something that would hook my interest.

    I'd rather a top end HP or Alienware Machine, as they both perform very well and look good. The only downside being the price.

    Performing well doesn't hook your interest?

    Ok.

    I had an Alienware. It was terrible and weighed a ton.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Lenovo bought the IBM computer division, including the laptop rights.

    Details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Mergers_and_acquisitions

    I knew that, not sure how I mixed that up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    "Microsoft’s commitment to openness and transparency is ingrained in our day-to-day approach to doing business alongside industry partners, including open source communities. To be successful in a mobile-first, cloud-first world, we need to be open. It’s good for our customers and our business"

    I can't stop laughing!!!! :-D

    I missed the memo that MS bought words "openness" and "transparency" and changed their meaning!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    PrzemoF wrote: »
    I missed the memo that MS bought words "openness" and "transparency" and changed their meaning!

    In fairness, the company has done a huge u-turn on so many things since the new guy was appointed last year. Case in point: giving away Windows 10 free when it is released later this year. That would have been unthinkable up to very recently.

    Yes, I think history has proven that you take a lot of what Microsoft says with a large pinch of salt when it comes to openness and transparency. However, I do think we are in a period of change for Microsoft as they come to terms with the reality of the modern IT market.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    In fairness, the company has done a huge u-turn on so many things since the new guy was appointed last year. Case in point: giving away Windows 10 free when it is released later this year. That would have been unthinkable up to very recently.

    Just a corporate strategy to try to calm the angry Win 8 users.
    They have not changed their aims or attitudes.
    Yes, I think history has proven that you take a lot of what Microsoft says with a large pinch of salt when it comes to openness and transparency. However, I do think we are in a period of change for Microsoft as they come to terms with the reality of the modern IT market.

    MS are definitely changing their corporate strategy, and even mouthing apparently correct words ....... but so far it has gone no further than that in any significant way.

    There is no indication it is anything other than that, and even if it appeared more, one year is not sufficient to wipe out the decades of 'bad behaviour'.

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-clarifies-who-gets-free-windows-10-114730456889.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Just a corporate strategy to try to calm the angry Win 8 users.

    While I don't want to turn this into a discussion about Microsoft strategy, calming angry Windows 8 users is possibly as far from the reality of the situation as you can get.

    What is actually happening is that Microsoft is shifting to a subscription model for as much as they can. They realise that Windows operating system is no longer the cash-cow it once was, the future is in services such as office 365, azure, Xbox and many more besides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    I heard about that guy, but giving closed source software for free is anti-openness in my dictionary. It gives nothing to the open source community, instead it keeps some users that "sit on the fence" of the open source on the ms side. Unfortunately word "free" in English has 2 meanings (I feel like RMS is watching over my shoulder what I'm typing here...), so it's easy to call something a free software even if it has nothing to do with "free like freedom" software.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    PrzemoF wrote: »
    I heard about that guy, but giving closed source software for free is anti-openness in my dictionary.

    I honestly don't think Microsoft executives stay awake at night worrying that their purely commercial decision to give away Windows 10 is "anti-openess".

    I don't think the concept of open source even registers on their radar.

    However, trying to spin what they are doing as somehow anti-Linux/anti-open source displays a fundamental misunderstanding of market forces and the direction in which the broader ICT industry is moving. It's a strategic decision based purely on the premise of increasing revenue streams through getting people/companies to pay a smaller monthly/yearly premium rather than buying software outright.

    It's pure economics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    "MICROSOFT reportedly threatened to move its research facilities out of the UK if the government went ahead with plans to promote open source standards."

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2409808/microsoft-bullied-mps-over-government-switch-to-open-source-standards

    It's hard to belive that changing one guy, even in the key position, could trickle down the ladder and change the way of thinking in the whole company that was built on having monopoly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    I hope the horrible, greedy, monopolistic, bullying ballbags clear off and take their proprietary ball home with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭Nonmonotonic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I am, and have been, surprised that some group/company/whatever of the Linux community has not forced MS, to either put up or shut up, about multiple patent infringements etc.

    It seems obvious that over the years such claims were meant to, and did, do damage to the reputation and acceptance of 'Linux'.

    If those were false claims, designed only to harm, there must surely have been a legal means of forcing a closure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    M$ will never really change. They want it all and will resort to any tactics to achieve it.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    excollier wrote: »
    M$ will never really change. They want it all and will resort to any tactics to achieve it.

    They're a business at the end of the day and not a charitable organisation set up for the betterment of man and the IT world. So anything they do, good or bad wouldn't surprise me.


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