Renault Meganes, boring bangernomics toyotas etc (split from bangernomics thread)

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/megane-5dr-h-back-new-nct-03-2016-quick-sale/9176860?offset=22


Like these early Meganes. Not as cool as 19s, mind

colm_mcm

Despise them and their bouncy gear levers.
Plus points; rear wiper that comes on when you select reverse and front wipers are on.
Think it was the first car to have this. Weird sunglasses windscreen too
Safety; quite a safe car for an old model. Think it had standard ABS too.
Versatility; there really was a huge number of megane variants: saloon,5 door hatchback, 2 door coupe, cabriolet, and scenic - and the awkward looking megavan with its plastic cover where the rear door handle would have been

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

Despise them and their bouncy gear levers

It's mad to think Toyota were still churning out the Starlet in 96 when Renault were giving us there, in terms of comfort they're class

You have to had it to the French, the 90s saw some awesome cars come out of there, comfort like nothing else for small hatchbacks. My friend had a 93 306 with electric everything and a velour glovebox cover and everything, mental

A 19 will be my next car, factual

colm_mcm

To be fair, they are very comfy. Velour glovebox lids were a bit of a design cul-de-sac though
The B5 Passat and mk4 golf were the nails in the coffin of 90s interior design flair

Moneymaker

It's no 406

JohnBoy26

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

It's mad to think Toyota were still churning out the Starlet in 96 when Renault were giving us there, in terms of comfort they're class

You have to had it to the French, the 90s saw some awesome cars come out of there, comfort like nothing else for small hatchbacks. My friend had a 93 306 with electric everything and a velour glovebox cover and everything, mental

A 19 will be my next car, factual

Absolute sh1teboxes those old meganes, horrible to drive too(terrible gearbox and clutch, especially on pre facelift cars) and not as comfortable as you would think either. The 19 wasn't any better tbh.

Long Time Lurker

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Absolute sh1teboxes those old meganes, horrible to drive too(terrible gearbox and clutch, especially on pre facelift cars) and not as comfortable as you would think either. The 19 wasn't any better tbh.

Always thought the 19 was excellent. Remember its gone outta production almost 20 years now yet it bettered many of its contemporary opponents even in its last days. Excellent handling yet supremely comfortable. Great specs an all of them and great on fuel. A 19 RSI was cheaper than a Vento Atlantic, Tempra SX or even a Corolla L. Or maybe the sadomasochistic approach was taken you bought an Escort Saloon instead :-)

johndaman66

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Absolute sh1teboxes those old meganes, horrible to drive too(terrible gearbox and clutch, especially on pre facelift cars) and not as comfortable as you would think either. The 19 wasn't any better tbh.

I have to agree there. My first car was a 96' Megavan and what a heap of crap that turned out to be. In retrospect why I bought it I don't know but I didn't know any better at the time and you do learn by your mistakes. Possibly the only redeeming feature it had I would say was that it was a relatively comfortable car in its day compared to its counterparts but nothing to write home about either. Mine had gone so rattly that it had lost a lot of that appeal anyway despite it was only 6 years old with less than 90k miles on the clock....an inferior product they are.


Changed to a 95' hatchback petrol Corolla Ceres after and while it was without some of the Megavans features (many of the electical ones didn't work in the end anyway in the Megane) the Corolla was very much a superior car. Although I am a Toyota fan I'm not one of these people that propose Toyota are the be all and end all when it comes to cars.... Just to emphasise how bad I thought the Renault to be really.


Speaking of Corollas though.


http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-00/9123966?offset=5


2000 reg 3 dr hatch;
Tested 01/2016;
Asking €1,050
Mileage is possibly a tad on the high side and colour may not be to everyones taste but its hardly overly offensive either...

Long Time Lurker

Its about perspective. If reliability is what makes a good car for you then you'll hammer a Ferrari. There was never a Renault more reliable than a Toyota. There was never a Toyota I'd want to spend more time in than a Renault (or most French cars for that matter)

I always likened Toyota's to west of Ireland primary school teachers. Rock solid reliable but afraid of their shiote to be different. Just collect the pension in 30 years. Toyotas are like that. Dead straight reliable (and ever so commendable for it) but oh so dull. Like kinda admitting to yourself you're afraid of everything except what you know. This will do ....

Duke O Smiley

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Absolute sh1teboxes those old meganes, horrible to drive too(terrible gearbox and clutch, especially on pre facelift cars) and not as comfortable as you would think either. The 19 wasn't any better tbh.

And I'd still have one over a Starlet. And a bus pass too for that matter

JohnBoy26

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

And I'd still have one over a Starlet. And a bus pass too for that matter

I wouldn't but each to their own. A starlet may be from the class below but at least it's pleasant to drive, e.g the gearbox and clutch are nice to use and it's suspension isn't crashy like that of a Megane. It won't break your heart either with faults. The only thing I could commend the Megane for is it's safety rating which to be fair was impressive for a car of it's time.

Moneymaker

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Its about perspective. If reliability is what makes a good car for you then you'll hammer a Ferrari. There was never a Renault more reliable than a Toyota. There was never a Toyota I'd want to spend more time in than a Renault (or most French cars for that matter)

I always likened Toyota's to west of Ireland primary school teachers. Rock solid reliable but afraid of their shiote to be different. Just collect the pension in 30 years. Toyotas are like that. Dead straight reliable (and ever so commendable for it) but oh so dull. Like kinda admitting to yourself you're afraid of everything except what you know. This will do ....

That's a really good way to put it.

toyotaavensis

You ever hear of a GT86?

Duke O Smiley

toyotaavensis wrote: »

You ever hear of a GT86?

One. One interesting car from Toyota.

The rest are boring beyond belief. Literally no redeeming features past reliability. I like my Corolla, I plan on keeping it for life, but I'd rather be spending everyday in a Renault 19.

rizzodun

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

One. One interesting car from Toyota.

The rest are boring beyond belief. Literally no redeeming features past reliability. I like my Corolla, I plan on keeping it for life, but I'd rather be spending everyday in a Renault 19.

Are we including certain gen celicas, supras, levins etc in that?

Moneymaker

Very harsh on Toyota there imo.

MR2, Celica, Glanza and the GT86 are all interesting cars.

GvidoR

Older Toyotas were far nicer than what they're making now, imo. GT86 is an exception though.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

One. One interesting car from Toyota.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Levin.
Celica.
Supra.
Altezza.
Turbo starlets.
Turbo caldinas.
The mark II.
Trueno.
MR2.
Sera (yes for real)
Chaser.
Aristo.

In fact you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Theyre just cool Toyotas off the top of my head.

Did I mention wrong?

Duke O Smiley

rizzodun wrote: »

Are we including certain gen celicas, supras, levins etc in that?

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Wrong wrong wrong.

Levin.
Celica.
Supra.
Altezza.
Turbo starlets.
Turbo caldinas.
The mark II.
Trueno.
MR2.
Sera (yes for real)
Chaser.
Aristo.

In fact you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Theyre just cool Toyotas off the top of my head.

Did I mention wrong?

Well if we are going to bring performance cars into the mix..

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo,
GTA,
Alpine,
9 Turbo

I could go on for twice the length of that list.

We're talking about a Corolla and a Megane here and in this respect Renault trumps Toyota imo.

rizzodun

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Well if we are going to bring performance cars into the mix..

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo,
GTA,
Alpine,
9 Turbo

I could go on for twice the length of that list.

We're talking about a Corolla and a Megane here and in this respect Renault trumps Toyota imo.

I think it's 'the one interesting car' line that changed it from a corolla and a megane argument though.

Would love a 5 GT Turbo though...

Toyotafanboi

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Wrong wrong wrong.

Levin.
Celica.
Supra.
Altezza.
Turbo starlets.
Turbo caldinas.
The mark II.
Trueno.
MR2.
Sera (yes for real)
Chaser.
Aristo.

In fact you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Theyre just cool Toyotas off the top of my head.

Did I mention wrong?

it's also worth noting that when you mentioned certain models there, that they cover a whole spectrum of cars in themselves, as in levin covers anything from an ae86 to an ae111 or celica covers anything from a carloz sainz to an st205 to a 7th gen, not to mention the countless incarnations of the turbo starlet, various revisions of the MR2 etc. you're list could easily, easily be elaborated into 40 or 50 cars i'd say.

the renault fan mentioned 6 cars and two of them are the same car :pac: but he could write a list twice that length if he wanted :P

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Well if we are going to bring performance cars into the mix..

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo,
GTA,
Alpine,
9 Turbo

I could go on for twice the length of that list.

We're talking about a Corolla and a Megane here and in this respect Renault trumps Toyota imo.

JohnBoy26

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Well if we are going to bring performance cars into the mix..

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo,
GTA,
Alpine,
9 Turbo

I could go on for twice the length of that list.

We're talking about a Corolla and a Megane here and in this respect Renault trumps Toyota imo.

In what respect? Because if it's an exciting drive you are on about then both cars are just as boring as one another. The corolla beats the megane in every other department bar safety but even in that department it isn't far off.

those old meganes really were awful yokes, terribly built, terrible to drive, horrible mechanically. Seriously a corolla, or any equivalent jap car of the same era was miles ahead of the megane.

Duke O Smiley

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

it's also worth noting that when you mentioned certain models there, that they cover a whole spectrum of cars in themselves, as in levin covers anything from an ae86 to an ae111 or celica covers anything from a carloz sainz to an st205 to a 7th gen, not to mention the countless incarnations of the turbo starlet, various revisions of the MR2 etc. you're list could easily, easily be elaborated into 40 or 50 cars i'd say.

the renault fan mentioned 6 cars and two of them are the same car :pac: but he could write a list twice that length if he wanted :P

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo
GTA
Alpine
9 Turbo
11 turbo
18 Turbo
15
17
25 V6 Turbo
AnythingGordini

Even just to compare standard cars. Compare a 91 launch Clio to a 91 Starlet and the standard equipment levels on both cars. It's no surprise Renault have won Car of The Year with various models 14 times vs 4 from Toyota

Renault are nicer cars

Toyotafanboi

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Avantime,
Fuego,
5 Turbo
5 GT Turbo
GTA
Alpine
9 Turbo
11 turbo
18 Turbo
15
17
25 V6 Turbo
AnythingGordini

Even just to compare standard cars. Compare a 91 launch Clio to a 91 Starlet and the standard equipment levels on both cars. It's no surprise Renault have won Car of The Year with various models 14 times vs 4 from Toyota

Renault are nicer cars

i can't remember the last time i seen any of those cars on the roads, being used. you could very well spot every single car on The Honey Monsters list on a trip up or down the m50.

what did the 91 clio have as standard that the 91 starlet did not? i reckon toyota got their priorities right anyway, plenty of early 90's starlets still about, can't say the same for clios.

BANGERS! For the love of god bangers!!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/8847222

Literally the first car that popped up on DD before I filtered the search. They're on to us

Simonigs1.0

Not to drag this on, but, as someone with both Japanese and French cars (GT86 and 200 Bhp RCZ) I feel I should chime in here.

I have done 10k miles in my RCZ since August and 5 in the GT since January. Both cars have been mechanically rock solid, no hassle at all from either car and both see daily use. The RCZ needed two new wing mirrors and a new sat nav screen, which really wasn't cheap, a few months into ownership. Peugeot covered the cost of the mirrors and gave me a courtesy car for a week without hesitation. That was absolutely ace of them.

The Toyota hasn't needed anything, but it hasn't gotten as much use as the RCZ really, my annual mileage has seriously been slashed since getting it. It has been into a dealer for one service, they just took the keys and I left. Peugeot are generally just much nicer to deal with.

Every morning I get up and go down stairs, walk outside, and without thinking twice my eyes always look for the RCZ first. Yeah the GT is bold, it turns heads and a lot of people take photos, but the RCZ is just nice and I still can't even tell you why.

Not quite bangernomics, but theres my 2c on my bangers :P

Sh1tbag OToole

Simonigs1.0 wrote: »

Not to drag this on, but, as someone with both Japanese and French cars (GT86 and 200 Bhp RCZ) I feel I should chime in here.

I have done 10k miles in my RCZ since August and 5 in the GT since January. Both cars have been mechanically rock solid, no hassle at all from either car and both see daily use. The RCZ needed two new wing mirrors and a new sat nav screen, which really wasn't cheap, a few months into ownership. Peugeot covered the cost of the mirrors and gave me a courtesy car for a week without hesitation. That was absolutely ace of them.

The Toyota hasn't needed anything, but it hasn't gotten as much use as the RCZ really, my annual mileage has seriously been slashed since getting it. It has been into a dealer for one service, they just took the keys and I left. Peugeot are generally just much nicer to deal with.

Every morning I get up and go down stairs, walk outside, and without thinking twice my eyes always look for the RCZ first. Yeah the GT is bold, it turns heads and a lot of people take photos, but the RCZ is just nice and I still can't even tell you why.

Not quite bangernomics, but theres my 2c on my bangers :P

Have you ever had a blasht of a 208 GTI? I don't know if I should get a 208 GTI or a RCZ 200. I had a tear off both but can't decide.

Big Nasty

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Wrong wrong wrong.

Levin.
Celica.
Supra.
Altezza.
Turbo starlets.
Turbo caldinas.
The mark II.
Trueno.
MR2.
Sera (yes for real)
Chaser.
Aristo.

In fact you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Theyre just cool Toyotas off the top of my head.

Did I mention wrong?

And not one of them produced this century. Bar The '86 modern Toyota are boring and dull albeit very reliable cars. I've had a Celica and two Supras and loved them but have zero interest in anything Toyota the last 20 years. Same goes for Nissan bar the GTR.

Simonigs1.0

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Have you ever had a blasht of a 208 GTI? I don't know if I should get a 208 GTI or a RCZ 200. I had a tear off both but can't decide.

I haven't but I'd love to.

Have a drive of a RCZ THP 200, even to look at they are very striking, utterly brilliant cars on the road though, that 4 cyl turbo unit is awesome Scarce on these shores though

Toyotafanboi

Simonigs1.0 wrote: »

Not to drag this on, but, as someone with both Japanese and French cars (GT86 and 200 Bhp RCZ) I feel I should chime in here.

I have done 10k miles in my RCZ since August and 5 in the GT since January. Both cars have been mechanically rock solid, no hassle at all from either car and both see daily use. The RCZ needed two new wing mirrors and a new sat nav screen, which really wasn't cheap, a few months into ownership. Peugeot covered the cost of the mirrors and gave me a courtesy car for a week without hesitation. That was absolutely ace of them.

The Toyota hasn't needed anything, but it hasn't gotten as much use as the RCZ really, my annual mileage has seriously been slashed since getting it. It has been into a dealer for one service, they just took the keys and I left. Peugeot are generally just much nicer to deal with.

Every morning I get up and go down stairs, walk outside, and without thinking twice my eyes always look for the RCZ first. Yeah the GT is bold, it turns heads and a lot of people take photos, but the RCZ is just nice and I still can't even tell you why.

Not quite bangernomics, but theres my 2c on my bangers :P

both are sub 5 years of age though. get back to us in 2020 and let us know which is still working, will ya :pac:

there's no denying the french know a thing or two about styling and how to make a nice car, they just need to learn how to make them last :P in fairness, the 86 had a cult fanboi following before it even went back on sale, hence the photo's and head turning and ****, i swear that could have been a 1.4 diesel, front wheel drive car and people still would have swooned once it wore the "86" badge (myself included perhaps). the pug on the other hand is pretty revolutionary, i mean when was peugeots last purpose built sports coupe?

had you in my rear view the other day, i was totally incognito in the astra though :pac:

Simonigs1.0

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

both are sub 5 years of age though. get back to us in 2020 and let us know which is still working, will ya :pac:

there's no denying the french know a thing or two about styling and how to make a nice car, they just need to learn how to make them last :P in fairness, the 86 had a cult fanboi following before it even went back on sale, hence the photo's and head turning and ****, i swear that could have been a 1.4 diesel, front wheel drive car and people still would have swooned once it wore the "86" badge (myself included perhaps). the pug on the other hand is pretty revolutionary, i mean when was peugeots last purpose built sports coupe?

had you in my rear view the other day, i was totally incognito in the astra though :pac:

The difference in the kind of people I get admiring each car is quite noticeable. Even a lot of non-car people notice the 86, because it's bold, and flame me for this, but it attracts a lot of track suits and the odd "how much bro" crowd

The RCZ on the other hand generally attracts people who know exactly what it is who really appreciate it. I really love the RCZ, in a way it's typically French, it's charming and a bit mad.

I can see myself selling the 86 before I do the RCZ. And I know I mentioned selling it a few weeks ago, but I just can't

I didn't know you had an Astra btw, I do keep an eye out for a Celica when I'm around though! Next time I see you I'll wave

Toyotafanboi

i think you summed that up quite well, but i think the middle sensible aged crowd of car enthusiasts think there is something to be ashamed of by liking a toyota and it's hard to know why that is.

in ireland, at least, i'd have to say the "toyota crowd" are mostly <25 years of age and are fond of showing their ignorance at times, which maybe is what leads to the middle aged crowd wanting to distance themselves, i'm not sure.

how do you find the 86 on a long trip vs the pug? which would you say is a more refined car to drive? which is a more entertaining drive? this has taken a bit of a tangent at this stage

white astra j gtc, keep an eye out!

Simonigs1.0

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i think you summed that up quite well, but i think the middle sensible aged crowd of car enthusiasts think there is something to be ashamed of by liking a toyota and it's hard to know why that is.

in ireland, at least, i'd have to say the "toyota crowd" are mostly <25 years of age and are fond of showing their ignorance at times, which maybe is what leads to the middle aged crowd wanting to distance themselves, i'm not sure.

how do you find the 86 on a long trip vs the pug? which would you say is a more refined car to drive? which is a more entertaining drive? this has taken a bit of a tangent at this stage

white astra j gtc, keep an eye out!

Tbh, any attention the car gets is good attention, and I don't mind who is admiring the car, anyone can be an enthusiast!

It's a fine car on long distance spins, especially with cruise control. Being a TRD it has a stiffer suspension set up, I would say the RCZ is more refined but the 86 isn't at all bad, it can be quite a nice cruiser.

The 86 is a fantastic car to drive, especially in the wet! It sounds amazing and it is absolutely amazing to throw around. The RCZ is seriously quick, great acceleration and it makes an awesome noise, I love that about it.

I'd say the 86 is more entertaining, but only marginally

CianRyan

Big Nasty wrote: »

And not one of them produced this century. Bar The '86 modern Toyota are boring and dull albeit very reliable cars. I've had a Celica and two Supras and loved them but have zero interest in anything Toyota the last 20 years. Same goes for Nissan bar the GTR.

Fairlady's and Skyline GT's, man! And anything with the VK V8! Nissan still make great cars without even mentioning Nismo.

Toyota still make cool stuff too but like with Nissan, most of it doesn't make it over here. The Mark X is the new Mark II/Chaser. Still fast, still RWD, still a drift barge!
Japan are still relevant. :cool:

Toyotafanboi

Simonigs1.0 wrote: »

I'd say the 86 is more entertaining, but only marginally

Ehhh, what the hell happened here? Did the mods split the thread or something? Well confused

Duke O Smiley

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

Ehhh, what the hell happened here? Did the mods split the thread or something? Well confused

Yeah, only right as it had been dragged right on

Thread title didn't say split from bangernomics a minute ago! Had a few beers posting here last night so was wondering how I managed to post in boring bangernomics toyotas etc