vets who will dock tail in meath

vermin hunter

Hi lads i have a cocker and I'm hoping to breed her in the next couple of weeks. And i want to organise as much as i can i rang my local vet and explained i was putting my working cocker into pup and would want the pups tails docked and I was told they won't do it that it's illegal. I explained to the lady on the phone that it's a working breed and is exempt from the ban. But she was having none of it. So my question is do any of you have any vets that will dock tails.

hathcock

vermin hunter wrote: »

Hi lads i have a cocker and I'm hoping to breed her in the next couple of weeks. And i want to organise as much as i can i rang my local vet and explained i was putting my working cocker into pup and would want the pups tails docked and I was told they won't do it that it's illegal. I explained to the lady on the phone that it's a working breed and is exempt from the ban. But she was having none of it. So my question is do any of you have any vets that will dock tails.

No vet will dock tails,their barred from doing it by their own controlling body,but some bitches have been known to chew off the tails of their pups,I've seen it happen.

Gael23

Thats illegal since 2006

Springwell

It's not illegal for working dogs. You do need to have evidence the bitch works.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2014/en.si.2014.0128.pdf

4.1 covers docking spaniels.

vermin hunter

The vet knows there working fogs she sees them during the hunting season and before it she knows well they are hunting working dogs

vermin hunter

The vet knows there working fogs she sees them during the hunting season and before it she knows well they are hunting working dogs

Springwell

Show the the legislation? Or use a different vet. Although its not illegal the vet is not obliged to dock dogs if they are morally against it.

You still need to provide the documentation even if the vet knows the dog as they've got to hold it on record for three years after the docking in case of inspections.

deerhunter1

Gael23 wrote: »

Thats illegal since 2006

What is illegal, the bitch chewing off the tails:rolleyes:;)

allan450

use a different vet she is talking through her hole.its NOT illegal i had pups done not so long ago with all the paper work

vermin hunter

allan450 wrote: »

use a different vet she is talking through her hole.its NOT illegal i had pups done not so long ago with all the paper work

We're did you get it done

allan450

i got it done in the west mate.you can always go up north if no vets will do it for you up their.some vets are just been awkward about it.The vet i use is 100 percent.

CJmasgrande

vermin hunter wrote: »

Hi lads i have a cocker and I'm hoping to breed her in the next couple of weeks. And i want to organise as much as i can i rang my local vet and explained i was putting my working cocker into pup and would want the pups tails docked and I was told they won't do it that it's illegal. I explained to the lady on the phone that it's a working breed and is exempt from the ban. But she was having none of it. So my question is do any of you have any vets that will dock tails.

Why are working breeds exempt from the ban?

andreac

allan450 wrote: »

use a different vet she is talking through her hole.its NOT illegal i had pups done not so long ago with all the paper work

It is illegal as of 6th March 2014.

Have a look.
http://www.ikc.ie/tail-docking-and-dew-claw

Luke92

andreac wrote: »

It is illegal as of 6th March 2014.

Have a look.
http://www.ikc.ie/tail-docking-and-dew-claw

Did you even read that link? It covers that working dogs are still exempt.

These are working dogs and he doesn't want it done for cosmetic reasons.

EPointer=Birdss

andreac wrote: »

It is illegal as of 6th March 2014.

Have a look.
http://www.ikc.ie/tail-docking-and-dew-claw

That's hilarious. You post a link with a single paragraph that clearly says working dogs are exempt.

I asked my local vet a month ago what's his position on it & that amongst vetinery circles. He said if it's a working dog & can be proven as such it's not an issue. Ethically he had no issue & said he believed it was safer given the injuries he's seen on undocked dogs. Proved a point for me lock, stock & 2 smoking barrels.

vermin hunter

CJmasgrande wrote: »

Why are working breeds exempt from the ban?

Because there tails get badly damaged while hunting

CJmasgrande

vermin hunter wrote: »

Because there tails get badly damaged while hunting

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

snipe49

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

Good morning CJmasgrande can i ask you what breed were your dogs with undocked tails and what kind of hunting were you doing with them. ?

vermin hunter

CJmasgrande wrote: »

Why are working breeds exempt from the ban?

Because there tails get badly damaged while hunting

Springwell

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

Blatantly the legislators don't agree with you. Working dogs are exempt on humane grounds.

CJmasgrande

Springwell wrote: »

Blatantly the legislators don't agree with you. Working dogs are exempt on humane grounds.

On humane grounds yeah? so if the dog tail is mutilated or injured you can dock it then but not in advance

Springwell

No. It is done preemptively to prevent suffering. Why put the dog through the pain of injury and infection when a simple procedure can prevent it?

allan450

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

They must not have been working hard enough then.iv seen docked tails even split.so dont talk bull**** yourself.

aaakev

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

What kind of hunting were you doing with them?

aaakev

andreac wrote: »

It is illegal as of 6th March 2014.

Have a look.
http://www.ikc.ie/tail-docking-and-dew-claw

Did you not read your own link?

There is, however, a Ministerial Regulation (4) permitting Veterinary Practitioners to perform these procedures on certain breeds if the individual pup is intended to be a working dog, and provided a list of other criteria are met.

hathcock

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I had several Woking dogs with full tails never had damage to tails I think your talking bull****

What breed of working dogs do you refer to,you've been asked already,please enlighten us.

yubabill1

CJmasgrande wrote: »

On humane grounds yeah? so if the dog tail is mutilated or injured you can dock it then but not in advance

Dock a fully-grown tail? And after the dog has suffered?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Troll somewhere you know at least a little about the subject (hint; the trick is to say something contrary while remaining marginally believable).

vermin hunter

Lads any vets numbers who will do this for me.

vermin hunter

Lads any vets numbers who will do this for me.

Sparks

Mod Note: Keep it civil please folks.

Greenmachine

Definitely a touchy subject. I got stopped when, I had a dog by people, berating me because it tail was docked. When I explained that it was a rescue dog, and we had done anything to it's tail people were usually apologetic.
I will reserve from posting my opinion on using animals in a hunt, lest I infringe the hunting forum charter.

Lurgee

I'm a vet. If a stranger came to my clinic blatantly looking for a vet to cut tails off pups no questions asked, I would tell them to sod off. Perhaps you need to build a relationship with your own vet?

snipe49

Lurgee wrote: »

I'm a vet. If a stranger came to my clinic blatantly looking for a vet to cut tails off pups no questions asked, I would tell them to sod off. Perhaps you need to build a relationship with your own vet?

How do you feel about the debate on tail docking Lurgee do you feel it's right to dock the tail of a working dog at 4 day old to save it from been injured at a later stage in it's life.

Witcher

Lurgee wrote: »

I'm a vet. If a stranger came to my clinic blatantly looking for a vet to cut tails off pups no questions asked, I would tell them to sod off. Perhaps you need to build a relationship with your own vet?

OP has already said the vet knows both him and the dogs.

Mycroft H

snipe49 wrote: »

How do you feel about the debate on tail docking Lurgee do you feel it's right to dock the tail of a working dog at 4 day old to save it from been injured at a later stage in it's life.

I'm skeptical of any benefits to be honest. We'd a working spaniel we raised ourselves and over 10 years we didn't see any disadvantage to not having the tail docked.

vermin hunter

Lurgee wrote: »

I'm a vet. If a stranger came to my clinic blatantly looking for a vet to cut tails off pups no questions asked, I would tell them to sod off. Perhaps you need to build a relationship with your own vet?

To be honest I thought I had a good relationship with the vet and she even got me out of a few tight spots furing yhe shooting season but she just wont do the docking

vermin hunter

Mycroft H wrote: »

I'm skeptical of any benefits to be honest. We'd a working spaniel we raised ourselves and over 10 years we didn't see any disadvantage to not having the tail docked.

Well I've worked over dogs with longer tails and with b the cover we hunt the poor aul divils tails would be in a state and you couldn't work them for a couple of weeks. I don't want my dogs going threw that call me cruel if you want but I think bits cruel not to get a pups tail docked that is going to be used for hunting.

electrichunter

hi lads , personally i am in favour of docking tails to working dogs and maybe a system of showing a vet your gunclub membership or licence would put a lot of docking for cosmetic purposes to bed , and on another note a workmate of mine has a juck russ after having pups and i said i would take one as a pet for the kids so he told me today he is having them docked by a lady down the road so i told him its against the law now and he never knew about it , where will i stand now if i buy a pup thats docked or how am i to know if it was done all above board.

vermin hunter

Mycroft H wrote: »

I'm skeptical of any benefits to be honest. We'd a working spaniel we raised ourselves and over 10 years we didn't see any disadvantage to not having the tail docked.

Well I've worked over dogs with longer tails and with b the cover we hunt the poor aul divils tails would be in a state and you couldn't work them for a couple of weeks. I don't want my dogs going threw that call me cruel if you want but I think bits cruel not to get a pups tail docked that is going to be used for hunting.

Springwell

Call your local vets and ask them, make sure you have all the paperwork in order before hand. You may have more luck with a farm animal vet than an urban small animal practice. Be aware you need to prove the pups will not be sold as pets for some vets too.

Ditto Lurgee though, if a new client turned up without a relationship to the vet most will tell you to sod off.

Springwell

electrichunter wrote: »

hi lads , personally i am in favour of docking tails to working dogs and maybe a system of showing a vet your gunclub membership or licence would put a lot of docking for cosmetic purposes to bed , and on another note a workmate of mine has a juck russ after having pups and i said i would take one as a pet for the kids so he told me today he is having them docked by a lady down the road so i told him its against the law now and he never knew about it , where will i stand now if i buy a pup thats docked or how am i to know if it was done all above board.

If it came to you would be liable, I'm afraid. However it's unlikely that it would be brought to the attention of anyone interested unless the dog was a welfare case or is straying and picked up by the warden. Done legally you should get a copy of the vets letter stating it has been done in accordance with the legislation.

sniper83

vermin hunter wrote: »

The vet knows there working fogs she sees them during the hunting season and before it she knows well they are hunting working dogs

Im in the same boat, my bitch due the 2nd week in June all going well. Asked the vet and he said he can't do it because he was advised not too by the vetinary council, even though it's perfectly legal as all I have are working dogs . I would'nt mind but my father has used him for the last 30 years with stock on the farm.
Could a vetinary nurse do it and issue the paperwork?

vermin hunter

sniper83 wrote: »

Im in the same boat, my bitch due the 2nd week in June all going well. Asked the vet and he said he can't do it because he was advised not too by the vetinary council, even though it's perfectly legal as all I have are working dogs . I would'nt mind but my father has used him for the last 30 years with stock on the farm.
Could a vetinary nurse do it and issue the paperwork?

Hi i got sorted with a vet of your in meath pm me a nd I will fill you in if you like.

vermin hunter

sniper83 wrote: »

Im in the same boat, my bitch due the 2nd week in June all going well. Asked the vet and he said he can't do it because he was advised not too by the vetinary council, even though it's perfectly legal as all I have are working dogs . I would'nt mind but my father has used him for the last 30 years with stock on the farm.
Could a vetinary nurse do it and issue the paperwork?

Hi i got sorted with a vet of your in meath pm me a nd I will fill you in if you like.

Springwell

sniper83 wrote: »

Im in the same boat, my bitch due the 2nd week in June all going well. Asked the vet and he said he can't do it because he was advised not too by the vetinary council, even though it's perfectly legal as all I have are working dogs . I would'nt mind but my father has used him for the last 30 years with stock on the farm.
Could a vetinary nurse do it and issue the paperwork?

No, a vet has to do it.

Magenta

Genuine question- The working breeds that traditionally get their tails docked, without exception, have floppy ears. Spaniels, setters, pointers, all of them. Do their ears never get injured out hunting? I always found it strange that they are not bred to have pointy ears that are out of the way.

Thanks

Springwell

It's the tail wagging side to side in brambles and the like that causes the damage. I've never really had ear damage on mine but they do get scratches on their muzzles/faces from pushing into bramble/bracken/gorse to retrieve birds.

allan450

Magenta wrote: »

Genuine question- The working breeds that traditionally get their tails docked, without exception, have floppy ears. Spaniels, setters, pointers, all of them. Do their ears never get injured out hunting? I always found it strange that they are not bred to have pointy ears that are out of the way.

Thanks

longer ears help with scent.Thats why they were left.look at the bloodhound his ears are lower on the head then most dogs.his ears trail on the ground finding scent as he hunts bouncing of his ears then into his nose.

Lurgee

snipe49 wrote: »

How do you feel about the debate on tail docking Lurgee do you feel it's right to dock the tail of a working dog at 4 day old to save it from been injured at a later stage in it's life.

I'm not a frequent poster on here so sorry for the late reply. No, in theory I am opposed to all mutilations of animals including those that are done for perceived welfare benefits. That includes docking puppies tails, lamb and piglet tail docking, teeth, wing and beak clipping etc.

BUT...in theory is all very well but until our farming husbandry practices catch up with animal welfare research, a lot of those procedures are unfortunately necessary.

So in a situation where a regular client whos dogs are known to me (and not just in the 'call the fire brigade' situations but for yearly checks, vaccs etc) and who has all the paperwork to back up the claim and who has a genuine concern for the dogs and where I feel there is a legitimate threat of tail damage in the future, I would do the procedure. I would have a damn good go at trying to persuade him to change his mind first though...

snipe49

Lurgee wrote: »

I'm not a frequent poster on here so sorry for the late reply. No, in theory I am opposed to all mutilations of animals including those that are done for perceived welfare benefits. That includes docking puppies tails, lamb and piglet tail docking, teeth, wing and beak clipping etc.

BUT...in theory is all very well but until our farming husbandry practices catch up with animal welfare research, a lot of those procedures are unfortunately necessary.

So in a situation where a regular client whos dogs are known to me (and not just in the 'call the fire brigade' situations but for yearly checks, vaccs etc) and who has all the paperwork to back up the claim and who has a genuine concern for the dogs and where I feel there is a legitimate threat of tail damage in the future, I would do the procedure. I would have a damn good go at trying to persuade him to change his mind first though...

Very well said my Man.

deni20000

Lads, DoneDeal will no longer take ads that include pictures of dogs with docked tails. Friend of mines ad was rejected around late September for a litter of GWP pups - he had to take other pictures with the pups tails hidden. Has anyone else had this problem?