RTÉ exposes Miracle Mineral Supplement

DavidRamsay99

Did anybody see the exposé on MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement on RTÉ's Prime Time?

The snake oil salesman Jim Humble, a panama hat wearing former Scientologist creep who claims to be an alien, who lives in South America has a world wide network of sales people flogging his bogus MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement concoction that supposedly cures HIV, malaria, hepatitis viruses, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, autism, acne, cancer, and much more.

The vile substance turns out to be bleach.

Humble has dreamed up his religion and calls himself a bishop which his "clergymen" arrange meetings where people sign up to the new faith and pay hundreds of bucks.

Among those targeted are the desperate parents of autistic kids who are told their condition is caused by viruses and pathogens and worms.

When the kids drink the bleach they get sick and suffer from diarrhea excreting their stomach linings.

The snake oil merchants claims the stomach linings which look like "worms" to the layman are proof of the success of MMS.

David McCullough interviewed a woman who is one of Humble's chief disciples.

Despite RTÉ sending sample of MMS to be chemically tested proving it to contain dangerous levels of chlorite and to have the same properties as industrial bleach, the crazy deluded woman still swears by MMS.

It is truly bizarre and shocking that people could be taken in by this transparent charlatanism but sadly they are and kids are suffering because Humble - even his name is a sick joke - and his evil henchmen have fooled their parents into feeding their kids bleach.

MMS causes nausea and prolonged use can lead to kidney damaged and other disorders.

You can watch the full episode here:

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10400123/

Pumpkinseeds

I saw the last 15 minutes or so of it. Typical sleazy con artists peddling snake oil to the vulnerable. I have to say that no matter how desperate someone is to help a child, I can't understand how they think that they can 'cure' autism. The American woman did herself no favours whatsoever trying to evade giving him honest answers by wriggling through legal loopholes and technicalities.

How can anyone take seriously the medical advice of a man who claims to be a part of an alien space navy?

DavidRamsay99

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I saw the last 15 minutes or so of it. Typical sleazy con artists peddling snake oil to the vulnerable. I have to say that no matter how desperate someone is to help a child, I can't understand how they think that they can 'cure' autism. The American woman did herself no favours whatsoever trying to evade giving him honest answers by wriggling through legal loopholes and technicalities.

How can anyone take seriously the medical advice of a man who claims to be a part of an alien space navy?

Well lots of people believe Pope Francis is the successor of St. Peter and that a carpenter from 1st century Galilee was the Son of God and that his virgin mother once appeared on the gable wall of a church in County Mayo in 1879.

So it's not hard to see people following Jim Humble.

smash

Without sounding too cold, anyone who believed him and bought this stuff must have been a fcuking idiot!

ColeTrain

Jim Humble? You wouldn't begrudge the man some success with a name like that.

MarkR

As a parent of a child with Autism, hell, as a parent in general, I find this sickening. Preying on the desperate, causing children to be sick, for money. You don't get much worse. Anyone selling this stuff should be prosecuted for child abuse. I haven't watched the video (doubt my stomach could handle it!), was there any charges or convictions stemming from this?

fryup

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

The American woman did herself no favours whatsoever trying to evade giving him honest answers by wriggling through legal loopholes and technicalities.

she (kerri rivera) said she wasn't in it for the money or fame, but with a €285 membership fee someone somewhere is making alot of dough out of this

it seems like a pyramid scheme selling snake oil.......its one of down sides of the internet age

HeidiHeidi

fryup wrote: »

she (kerri rivera) said she wasn't in it for the money or fame, but with a €285 membership fee someone somewhere is making alot of dough out of this

Ah, but you get ordained for that fee :rolleyes:

That programme last night was the most bizarre, surreal thing I've seen in a long time. It was like something you'd see in deepest darkest outback America (with all due respect to 99.9% of Americans!)

Hard to believe these nutjobs are operating in Ireland.

ohnonotgmail

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ah, but you get ordained for that fee :rolleyes:

That programme last night was the most bizarre, surreal thing I've seen in a long time. It was like something you'd see in deepest darkest outback America (with all due respect to 99.9% of Americans!)

Hard to believe these nutjobs are operating in Ireland.

they are not the only ones. There are people selling something called GAPS that also prey on people with autistic kids. It seems to be a growth industry.

DavidRamsay99

Andreas Kalcker is one of Humble's henchmen rambling on about David Icke's style bullsh*t about ancient aliens visiting ancient civilisations.

Kerri Rivera, Kalcker again and some creep called Dr. Marco Ruggiero selling their crap using official sound words like "protocol" and other pseudo-scientific sounding buzzwords.

I posted these videos to give a sample of the kind of official sounding horsecrap these charlatans comes out with.

Clearly what they have done is watch genuine press conferences by real doctors and scientists and read online peer reviewed journals to come up with convincing sounding presentations and complicated sounding jargon language to confuse and fool the scientifically illiterate.

A nice white coat and a slick suit and a foreign accent can work wonders among "humble folk without temptation."

frozenfrozen

Whether it's bleach or not it should be totally illegal to fraudulently claim you have a medical cure/whatever else they'll call it, without having it peer reviewed like real medicine does. It's dangerous that some people are so stupid and could be lead a stray to the point of feeding a sick child bleach and documenting how long the pieces of internal organs falling out of them are.

It just so happens that in this case MMS is bleach, but for the likes of homoeopathy that does absolutely nothing, this is just as dangerous as people go without real treatment in lieu of little tick tacs of sugary water

biko

The only health gurus I trust are the one's saying "don't eat food with pesticides on it".
The rest are all quacks.

ohnonotgmail

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Whether it's bleach or not it should be totally illegal to fraudulently claim you have a medical cure/whatever else they'll call it, without having it peer reviewed like real medicine does. It's dangerous that some people are so stupid and could be lead a stray to the point of feeding a sick child bleach and documenting how long the pieces of internal organs falling out of them are.

It just so happens that in this case MMS is bleach, but for the likes of homoeopathy that does absolutely nothing, this is just as dangerous as people go without real treatment in lieu of little tick tacs of sugary water

You will probably find disclaimers hidden away in their literature that says something similar to

This information is opinion and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

punisher5112

Really should turf these fools out.

That is sick.

Hande hoche!

That documentary and some of the people in it made my skin crawl.

SEPT 23 1989

Its more desperation than stupidity on the parents part but as in everything in this life you have to be in other persons position to really understand

ohnonotgmail

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Its more desperation than stupidity on the parents part but as in everything in this life you have to be in other persons position to really understand

I dont think anybody is putting any blame on the people taken in by this nonsense. In desperate times people will try things they normally wouldnt.

DavidRamsay99

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont think anybody is putting any blame on the people taken in by this nonsense. In desperate times people will try things they normally wouldnt.

If you are prepared to be taken in by this you are to blame.
Before you give your kid "medicine" you freaking find out what the hell is in the stuff!
Jesus.
The creeps selling this crap should be prosecuted no question but grown adults with brains in their heads should use them.

Zombienosh

I hate these snake oil pushers praying on desperate sick people.

SEPT 23 1989

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If you are prepared to be taken in by this you are to blame.
Before you give your kid "medicine" you freaking find out what the hell is in the stuff!
Jesus.
The creeps selling this crap should be prosecuted no question but grown adults with brains in their heads should use them.

do you have a child with Autism?

ohnonotgmail

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If you are prepared to be taken in by this you are to blame.
Before you give your kid "medicine" you freaking find out what the hell is in the stuff!
Jesus.
The creeps selling this crap should be prosecuted no question but grown adults with brains in their heads should use them.

when modern medicine offers you no cure you will try anything in desperation. the parents are not to blame.

lertsnim

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do you have a child with Autism?

Desperation is no excuse for giving a child that crap.

DarkJager

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do you have a child with Autism?

Having a child with autism doesn't turn you stupid, there are no excuses for people who bought in to this.

kylith

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do you have a child with Autism?

What does that have to do with anything? You don't give any child any medication without making damn sure that it's safe. ESPECIALLY if they're autistic and may have trouble communicating any side effects.

Bio Mech

biko wrote: »

The only health gurus I trust are the one's saying "don't eat food with pesticides on it".
The rest are all quacks.

In fairness I would also trust the ones who say "don't put your junk into the vacuum cleaner nozzle" and such too.

super_furry

I feel for the parents of those children but to buy into these 'cures' you have to buy into the idea that there's an entire conspiracy being worked upon you by millions of genuine doctors and healthcare professionals worldwide who are out to supress these 'miracle cures' because....reasons.

DavidRamsay99

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do you have a child with Autism?

If I had a kid with autism then all the more reason why I would find out more about who this person is who is peddling a miracle cure.

Just because raising an autistic kid might suck does not mean you are entitled to go down the rabbit hole and let yourself be fooled into feeding the kid bleach because some wacko told you to.

if the parents of a kid who needs transfusions were members of the Jehovah's Witnesses and put their faith in prayer rather than get the help their kid needs they should go to jail if the kid dies. Stupidity and gullibility are no excuse.

DavidRamsay99

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when modern medicine offers you no cure you will try anything in desperation. the parents are not to blame.

Yes they are.

ohnonotgmail

somehow this thread has taken a very dark turn.

DavidRamsay99

Zombienosh wrote: »

I hate these snake oil pushers praying on desperate sick people.

It would bad enough if it was just water and they just took their money.
Homeopaths do that for a living.

But this stuff is f*cking bleach. They con gullible people out of their money and also get them seriously ill.

magnethead

Absolutely sickening!!

SEPT 23 1989

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If I had a kid with autism

so you have no understanding of parents in this situation

parents are offered no explanation or cure for their child from the medical profession

right or wrong they will look elsewhere

meathenterpr

Saw the show. Found it very shocking. To prey on people who are desperate for something, anything that could help.
While there is a lot of information out there its not just targeted in the right way.
But what I found alarming was that there was 2 health professional investigated a dentist and a nurse. Two individuals in a position of trust. They should be severely dealth with for peddling this dangerous crap.

Larbre34

Saw the show, its just astonishing what some outwardly sane people will do with a bit of groundless persuasion.

It was like watching something from the middle ages, a witch doctor foisting poison on the dumb ignoramuses of the local village.

Hopefully they'll be pursued and nailed to the wall, flamin' nutters.

harry Bailey esq

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

How can anyone take seriously the medical advice of a man who claims to be a part of an alien space navy?

How could anyone not take seriously the medical advice of a man from the alien space navy?
Sure we don't even have a space navy,they are quite clearly much more advanced than us lot.

DavidRamsay99

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so you have no understanding of parents in this situation

parents are offered no explanation or cure for their child from the medical profession

right or wrong they will look elsewhere

So they feed their kids bleach because some muppet with a silly hat who spouts bullsh*t on youtube tells them too?

suicide_circus

Just watching it in rte iplayer...but not before rte treated me to three 30 second ads, two 20 second ads and one 10 second ad....

Duggy747

People will look for any miracle cure or quick fix and these vultures are only too happy to oblige.

Complete scumbags no matter how you look at it; They know it's bullshít but carry on selling their warez or they believe in it but are so scientifically illiterate and ignorant that they'll spread their bullshít out unchallenged.

People will believe what they want to believe and tend to shut down when faced with criticism of their miracle remedies. I know a few who use "healing crystals" while taking standard medication when they're sick but praise the crystals when they're better.

I haven't seen the episode yet but did it mention the shenanigans Humble got up to in Africa?

suicide_circus

These goons should be done for fraud and attempted murder.

kylith

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so you have no understanding of parents in this situation

parents are offered no explanation or cure for their child from the medical profession

right or wrong they will look elsewhere

Then the child may be autistic, but the parents are frigging stupid.

Pumpkinseeds

What puzzles me is how in this day and age these guys can get people to buy this stuff. Surely all you'd have to do is Google it and the people who peddle it, to discover that it's a dangerous scam

the_syco

smash wrote: »

Without sounding too cold, anyone who believed him and bought this stuff must have been a fcuking idiot!

Church + Faith = money.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Before you give your kid "medicine" you freaking find out what the hell is in the stuff!

What's in Calpol?

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

parents are offered no explanation or cure for their child from the medical profession

And the religious will probably believe any bullsh|t...

DavidRamsay99

His Humble creep seems to be fastening on to the whole anti-immunization craze started by Andrew Wakefield.
Despite Wakefield being utterly discredited somehow or other the idea that vaccines cause autism and that vaccines and therefore all other forms of modern medicine are controlled by a vast conspiracy has stuck.
Quacks and wackos claiming to have "natural" remedies or that their miracle cure has been met by sabotage by big pharma are cleaning up with credulous people.

cadaliac

While I agree that the whole thing is a scam - I think people are too rough on the parents.
Yes, of course they "should" find out what is in the stuff, but when they tried to find out - what information did they get?
Where did they get it from?
It could be made sound quite believable if you were indeed a desperate parent who has been let down by medical profession. Why do you think people already use alternative mediciens?

"Miracle Mineral Supplement"?

I'd say it didn't take cutting edge journalism.

What next, psychics can't communicate with the dead?

DavidRamsay99

cadaliac wrote: »

While I agree that the whole thing is a scam - I think people are too rough on the parents.
Yes, of course they "should" find out what is in the stuff, but when they tried to find out - what information did they get?
Where did they get it from?
It could be made sound quite believable if you were indeed a desperate parent who has been let down by medical profession. Why do you think people already use alternative mediciens?

What's stopping people from finding out what's in medicine they are given?
You look at the labels and it gives detailed information on the ingredients and content and the addresses of the manufacturers.
What do you mean let down by the medical profession?
if your kid has autism or some other developmental disorder with no known cure how have you been let down?
You don't go feeding the kid bleach do you?

Any parent who allows themselves to be taken in by these scams is a disgrace.

anothernight

Is it always (some) parents of autistic children who end up this desperate? I never seem to hear of parents of children with, say, Down's Syndrome trying to cure the obviously incurable.


That stuff has been around for years. There's even a Wikipedia article on it. I can't believe people still fall for it. =/

Oryx

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

What puzzles me is how in this day and age these guys can get people to buy this stuff. Surely all you'd have to do is Google it and the people who peddle it, to discover that it's a dangerous scam

The reason you have a spam folder in your email is because people fall for obviously stupid scams all the time.

hairyslug

Maybe it's just me but if someone calls to the house and offers a magical cure from his alien religion, I'm gonna think twice, I can't understand how parents can take the risk of putting a completely unknown "medicine" into a child

Simon2015

Didn't Jim Corr recommend this product awhile back ? I wonder does he still use it ?

Simon2015

That Jim Humble clown is coming back to Ireland on the 18th of December.

He wants people to pay a 350 Euro "Donation" to go to his seminar yet he claims its not about money and he only wants to "help" people.

http://mmsnews.is/19-upcoming-genesis-2-church-mms-seminar/333-the-hamlet-of-newtown-moone-co-kildare-republic-of-ireland-dec-18th-20th