Under armour or running top in hot weather?

RonanP77

I'm off to Spain for a week, temperatures will be up to mid 20s. There's a nice 10k trail through the mountains and back up the road to the Villa, I intend doing it, or parts of it, a few times. Would under armour be suitable for exercising in heat like that or would I be better off bringing normal running tops? Which is better for keeping sweat away from the body?

Krusty_Clown

Not sure your wardrobe choices while on holidays is really what the forum founders had in mind, but.... A t-shirt?

DubOnHoliday

In other words ... Ha ha I'm off to the sun

RonanP77

Just wondering which is better for stopping you from sweating too much or keeping it away from you. I'm not concerned about how anything looks. It's not fashion advice I want.

davedanon

If it's nice and warm, why wear anything?


(on top, that is)

ultraman1

This is how i roll
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZimmZ4nCzw

ThisRegard

A singlet or regular tuning T-shirt, you're going to be sweaty no matter what anyway.

Murph_D

If you're talking about a base layer in hot weather, no, that's not a good idea. If normal running top means tech tee, yes. Don't forget the sunscreen.

RonanP77

ultraman1 wrote:

This is how i roll

It's like looking in a mirror, it's exactly why I cover up.

Gavlor

RonanP77 wrote: »

I'm off to Spain for a week, temperatures will be up to mid 20s. There's a nice 10k trail through the mountains and back up the road to the Villa, I intend doing it, or parts of it, a few times. Would under armour be suitable for exercising in heat like that or would I be better off bringing normal running tops? Which is better for keeping sweat away from the body?

That is honestly the worst question/thread topic that I've ever seen on this forum.

A 7 year old child would have a fair idea of what to wear when exercising in >20 degree heat.

RonanP77

Murph_D wrote:

If you're talking about a base layer in hot weather, no, that's not a good idea. If normal running top means tech tee, yes. Don't forget the sunscreen.

Cheers, I'll avoid the base layer so.

Gavlor

RonanP77 wrote: »

Cheers, I'll avoid the base layer so.

Bring sun screen and water too. don't forget that they use different socket pins over there and the drive on the opposite side of the road.

And for god sake don't drink the tap water

ultrapercy

Gavlor wrote: »

Bring sun screen and water too. don't forget that they use different socket pins over there and the drive on the opposite side of the road.

And for god sake don't drink the tap water

Good advice, don't get them mixed up tho , cos sun screen tastes rotten.

Chivito550

Mid 20s is not even that hot, particularly if the humidity is low.

Had to google what under armour is. Sounds like a gimmick.

Djoucer

It's a great gimmick with revenue of around $3 billion a year.

Good article here on their marketing strategy: washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/02/07/five-smart-things-under-armour-did-to-take-on-the-sports-retail-giants/

davedanon

Chivito550 wrote: »

Mid 20s is not even that hot, particularly if the humidity is low.

Had to google what under armour is. Sounds like a gimmick.

It's a brand, though. Fairly well-known too, I would have thought, but there you go. As to the actual garment being referred to, I imagine it's a 'warm', as opposed to 'cold' top, for wearing in hot weather. I know Canterbury make them, but I've never tried one. I would imagine that a tight-fitting top would make me more rather than less uncomfortable in the heat. Almost the first thing I bought, after runners and shorts that is, was a singlet. I always race in a vest. It would have to be about 10 below with a serious windchill before I'd even consider putting on something with sleeves.

Chivito550

davedanon wrote: »

It's a brand, though. Fairly well-known too, I would have thought, but there you go. As to the actual garment being referred to, I imagine it's a 'warm', as opposed to 'cold' top, for wearing in hot weather. I know Canterbury make them, but I've never tried one. I would imagine that a tight-fitting top would make me more rather than less uncomfortable in the heat. Almost the first thing I bought, after runners and shorts that is, was a singlet. I always race in a vest. It would have to be about 10 below with a serious windchill before I'd even consider putting on something with sleeves.

I trained throughout 3 Melbourne summers. Temperatures frequently in the mid to high 30s, sometimes even over 40. Never wore anything other than a tshirt and shorts.

KielyUnusual

RonanP77 wrote: »

I'm off to Spain for a week, temperatures will be up to mid 20s. There's a nice 10k trail through the mountains and back up the road to the Villa, I intend doing it, or parts of it, a few times. Would under armour be suitable for exercising in heat like that or would I be better off bringing normal running tops? Which is better for keeping sweat away from the body?

Why would you want to move sweat away from the body in the first place. The purpose of sweat is to cool your skin down through evaporation and then your body transports the cooler blood from the skin surface back to the core, cooling you down. Magic!

Chivito550 wrote: »

I trained throughout 3 Melbourne summers. Temperatures frequently in the mid to high 30s, sometimes even over 40. Never wore anything other than a tshirt and shorts.

Bit of a difference in regulating temperature during a 10k trail run and regulating temperature during a 4 X 100 with 10 minutes recovery session

gerard_65

KielyUnusual wrote: »

Why would you want to move sweat away from the body in the first place. The purpose of sweat is to cool your skin down through evaporation and then your body transports the cooler blood from the skin surface back to the core, cooling you down. Magic!

Sweat acts as an insulator on the skin. In warm weather you want to keep your skin as dry a possible, hence wicking material in sports clothing.

Chivito550

KielyUnusual wrote: »

Why would you want to move sweat away from the body in the first place. The purpose of sweat is to cool your skin down through evaporation and then your body transports the cooler blood from the skin surface back to the core, cooling you down. Magic!



Bit of a difference in regulating temperature during a 10k trail run and regulating temperature during a 4 X 100 with 10 minutes recovery session

Haha, the sessions were far tougher than that. And funny enough the standing around in the heat during recoveries were the real killer.

True though, heat impacts distance runners more, but how much is the OP even planning on running. Last time I checked his log he was walking and swimming. Not running.

davedanon

Humidity is the key. Too high and the sweat can't evaporate. Instant overheating, as in the DCM 2014 day of disaster.

KielyUnusual

gerard_65 wrote: »

Sweat acts as an insulator on the skin. In warm weather you want to keep your skin as dry a possible, hence wicking material in sports clothing.

I don't think you'll find much evidence that will back this up. The reason why human's are good at running long distances is because we sweat. It's a very efficient way of dissipating heat from the body. Clothing companies make lots of claims about wicking material and it being a one stop solution for all types of weather conditions. A quick google finds a few studies that refute these claims but none that back this up.

One example here

While water is a good insulator, the impact of that insulation doesn't change depending on whether it's wicked to the surface of your shirt very quickly or remains on your skin. Its still insulating you. However, if the moisture is wicked to your shirt quickly, then you are losing the cooling effect of the evaporation of water from your skin.

walshb

Gavlor wrote: »

That is honestly the worst question/thread topic that I've ever seen on this forum.

Coy fcuk!

RonanP77

gerard_65 wrote:

Sweat acts as an insulator on the skin. In warm weather you want to keep your skin as dry a possible, hence wicking material in sports clothing.

That was my thinking.

Chivito550 wrote:

True though, heat impacts distance runners more, but how much is the OP even planning on running. Last time I checked his log he was walking and swimming. Not running.

Swimming, cycling, walking and I'm finally back running the last week or so. I'd probably only run about 3k out of the 10k each time I go out because I don't want a recurrence of the old injury.

davedanon

A quick digression. I see the letters OP being used a lot. Other Poster?

menoscemo

It was quite warm and sunny this morning at the 10 mile race and most people were wearing shorts and singlets.

Mind you it was only about 14c; I guess maybe another 10 degrees hotter and they would have all had their base layers on under their singlets

gerard_65

KielyUnusual wrote: »

I don't think you'll find much evidence that will back this up. The reason why human's are good at running long distances is because we sweat. It's a very efficient way of dissipating heat from the body. Clothing companies make lots of claims about wicking material and it being a one stop solution for all types of weather conditions. A quick google finds a few studies that refute these claims but none that back this up.

One example here

While water is a good insulator, the impact of that insulation doesn't change depending on whether it's wicked to the surface of your shirt very quickly or remains on your skin. Its still insulating you. However, if the moisture is wicked to your shirt quickly, then you are losing the cooling effect of the evaporation of water from your skin.

http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/tips-for-running-in-humidity

"Why Humidity Matters
When you run, your core body temperature naturally rises, and your sweat glands produce droplets that carry excess heat to the surface of the skin, where it evaporates. But humidity prevents sweat from evaporating, so the heat stays put. "On a hot, humid day with no breeze, you have lost a key way to get rid of your building body heat, which can make running dangerous," says Michael Bergeron, Ph.D., a professor at the Sanford School of Medicine of the University of South Dakota"

NetwerkErrer

gerard_65 wrote: »

http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/tips-for-running-in-humidity

"Why Humidity Matters
When you run, your core body temperature naturally rises, and your sweat glands produce droplets that carry excess heat to the surface of the skin, where it evaporates. But humidity prevents sweat from evaporating, so the heat stays put. "On a hot, humid day with no breeze, you have lost a key way to get rid of your building body heat, which can make running dangerous," says Michael Bergeron, Ph.D., a professor at the Sanford School of Medicine of the University of South Dakota"

That's high humidity alone.

But where does it say a base layer helps? I would think that if it doesn't evaporate on your skin, it won't evaporate on off your top. Also, a base layer would increase temperature through insulation which would add salt to an already open wound.

KielyUnusual

gerard_65 wrote: »

http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/tips-for-running-in-humidity

"Why Humidity Matters
When you run, your core body temperature naturally rises, and your sweat glands produce droplets that carry excess heat to the surface of the skin, where it evaporates. But humidity prevents sweat from evaporating, so the heat stays put. "On a hot, humid day with no breeze, you have lost a key way to get rid of your building body heat, which can make running dangerous," says Michael Bergeron, Ph.D., a professor at the Sanford School of Medicine of the University of South Dakota"

Its hard to read the first sentence of this and give the article any real credence. Sweat is not droplets of 'excess heat'. Also, how does this article support your claim in any way. All it says is that in humid weather, sweating is less efficient at dissipating heat and you have to adapt i.e. go slower.

gerard_65

NetwerkErrer wrote: »

That's high humidity alone.

But where does it say a base layer helps? I would think that if it doesn't evaporate on your skin, it won't evaporate on off your top. Also, a base layer would increase temperature through insulation which would add salt to an already open wound.

I never mentioned anything about base layers. I'm not supporting wearing base layers in the heat.

gerard_65

KielyUnusual wrote: »

Its hard to read the first sentence of this and give the article any real credence. Sweat is not droplets of 'excess heat'. Also, how does this article support your claim in any way. All it says is that in humid weather, sweating is less efficient at dissipating heat and you have to adapt i.e. go slower.

It actually says sweat droplets carry excess heat.

Chivito550

RonanP77 wrote: »

That was my thinking.



Swimming, cycling, walking and I'm finally back running the last week or so. I'd probably only run about 3k out of the 10k each time I go out because I don't want a recurrence of the old injury.

You could wear a wooly jumper and still be ok after a 3k jog!

KielyUnusual

gerard_65 wrote: »

It actually says sweat droplets carry excess heat.

They're two ways of saying the same thing. Either way its wrong. Sweat doesn't carry excess heat to the surface of the skin. Sweat is produced by your sweat glands and the heat required by your body to evaporate this sweat, results in a reduction in the temperature at the skin surface

RonanP77

Chivito550 wrote:

You could wear a wooly jumper and still be ok after a 3k jog!

10k in the mid 20s with roughly 3k of running and 7k walking, depending on how I'm feeling. I'm guessing you read it wrong the first time and you're not just making little of what others are doing again.

Maybe you think I should be running a sub 3hr marathon through the hills one week back running from a 5 month layoff.

Chivito550

RonanP77 wrote: »

10k in the mid 20s with roughly 3k of running and 7k walking, depending on how I'm feeling. I'm guessing you read it wrong the first time and you're not just making little of what others are doing again.

Maybe you think I should be running a sub 3hr marathon through the hills one week back running from a 5 month layoff.

Haha, I'm probably the 6th person to take the piss on this thread, not the first!

It's a ridiculous thread in fairness!

ger664

RonanP77 wrote: »

That was my thinking.
Swimming, cycling, walking and I'm finally back running the last week or so. I'd probably only run about 3k out of the 10k each time I go out because I don't want a recurrence of the old injury.

RonanP77 wrote: »

10k in the mid 20s with roughly 3k of running and 7k walking, depending on how I'm feeling. I'm guessing you read it wrong the first time and you're not just making little of what others are doing again.

Maybe you think I should be running a sub 3hr marathon through the hills one week back running from a 5 month layoff.

3K running in hills is too much. Start a C25K program from scratch.

dintbo

Gavlor wrote: »

That is honestly the worst question/thread topic that I've ever seen on this forum.

A 7 year old child would have a fair idea of what to wear when exercising in >20 degree heat.

+1

Just head out and have a run FFS!

pgmcpq

RonanP77 wrote: »

10k in the mid 20s with roughly 3k of running and 7k walking, depending on how I'm feeling. I'm guessing you read it wrong the first time and you're not just making little of what others are doing again.

Maybe you think I should be running a sub 3hr marathon through the hills one week back running from a 5 month layoff.

The answer to the question is that you just a need a light wicking/tech shirt. Combine with a decent sports sun screen and you should be set. I'm guess the Under Armor stuff you are talking about is a long sleeve shirt that provides sun protection. There is an argument that a light coloured long sleeve shirt helps against run, but this is more for the ultra runner range than the 10k range.

Sweat is the mechanism to cool, but it depends on the sweat being removed away from the skin either by evaporation or a wicking material - which is why humidity is often tougher than heat. Clearly evaporation is more effective, so unless you have concerns about sun exposure - tech shirt/singlet is the way to go.

Keep it simple.

davedanon

I find the argument that the sweat needs to be allowed evaporate on the skin in order to remove heat to be persuasive. If the sweat is being drawn into the shirt fabric before this can happen then surely the cooling effect is lessened? which would mean that the tech top is doing the opposite of what was intended.

ThisRegard

davedanon wrote: »

A quick digression. I see the letters OP being used a lot. Other Poster?

Original poster, ie the person who started the thread.

However many people use OP to refer to anyone in the thread or a person they're quoting, incorrectly IMO.

As an side, this is another thread started by a person, probably inexperienced in running in heat or just in running, in which there's a rush for people to say how stupid it is.

Chivito550

ThisRegard wrote: »

Original poster, ie the person who started the thread.

However many people use OP to refer to anyone in the thread or a person they're quoting, incorrectly IMO.

As an side, this is another thread started by a person, probably inexperienced in running in heat or just in running, in which there's a rush for people to say how stupid it is.

When it's the same poster starting all the threads, I think the tolerance levels start to decrease.

ThisRegard

Ignore it, move on and let it fall off the front page then.

RonanP77

Chivito550 wrote:

When it's the same poster starting all the threads, I think the tolerance levels start to decrease.

You've had a problem with me ever since I said a 6 minute mile was achievable for the average runner, that was a good few months ago now. You've been following me around since trying to get digs in. It's kind of pathetic to be honest.

At times you seem to know what you're on about but it's covered up by so much bitterness it's hard to tell.

Asking about whether a base layer or tech top is more effective in hot weather is a valid question. It's gotten a good debate going. It's me you have a problem with, not what I asked. If you think there's something wrong with what I post have a word with a Mod about me or send me a PM.

ultrapercy

RonanP77 wrote: »

You've had a problem with me ever since I said a 6 minute mile was achievable for the average runner, that was a good few months ago now. You've been following me around since trying to get digs in. It's kind of pathetic to be honest.

At times you seem to know what you're on about but it's covered up by so much bitterness it's hard to tell.

Asking about whether a base layer or tech top is more effective in hot weather is a valid question. It's gotten a good debate going. It's me you have a problem with, not what I asked. If you think there's something wrong with what I post have a word with a Mod about me or send me a PM.

It's a fascinating debate surely. It's a strange world we live in now where grown men asking strangers for opinions on what clothes they should wear is deemed a valid and interesting topic. To be fair to you the number of pages this has run to justifies the original post and that's the sad thing. The rise of social media seems to have strangled common sense like ivy on a tree. Once upon a time adult people were capable of weighing up everyday dilemmas and making their own decisions now the Internet must be consulted for everything.

corny

ultrapercy wrote: »

It's a fascinating debate surely. It's a strange world we live in now where grown men asking strangers for opinions on what clothes they should wear is deemed a valid and interesting topic. To be fair to you the number of pages this has run to justifies the original post and that's the sad thing. The rise of social media seems to have strangled common sense like ivy on a tree. Once upon a time adult people were capable of weighing up everyday dilemmas and making their own decisions now the Internet must be consulted for everything.

Regular posters effectively censuring threads is nothing new to boards but, Jesus Christ, could you do it with a higher level of condescension? Hope that made you feel good.

ultrapercy

corny wrote: »

Regular posters effectively censuring threads is nothing new to boards but, Jesus Christ, could you do it with a higher level of condescension? Hope that made you feel good.

If I do say so myself I think I got the condescension level perfect and yes indeed it made me fee rather good, in a smug way. Overall I'm happy.

Murph_D

Have I wandered into the cycling forum by mistake? :eek:

ThisRegard

Murph_D wrote: »

Have I wandered into the cycling forum by mistake? :eek:

It's generally more courteous there in fairness.

walshb

Andy Murray wore an under armour loose fitting top in 30 degree heat on Sunday. If it's good for him then it's good for you, Ronan!

walshb

davedanon wrote: »

If it's nice and warm, why wear anything?


(on top, that is)

Because man boobs are horrendous to be looking at on a sunny day. Not saying Ronan has them, but you know!

RonanP77

walshb wrote:

Because man boobs are horrendous to be looking at on a sunny day. Not saying Ronan has them, but you know!

I would like to call them pecs but I'd say I have another month or so at the weights until they're solid enough for that.