We need a good Rugby game.

diusmr8a504cvk

I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that Rugby is a fun sport to watch and play. When we watch the 6 Nations or European Cup, we see people like scoring amazing tries by running the length of the field, multiple passes, chipping the ball etc. and we want to then relive that in a game because it's far easier than real life.

For the last few years, the sport has been unfortunate enough to have no good game with Rugby '08 being the last good game in my eyes. After this we had RWC 2011 which had the exact same gameplay, Rugby Challenge 1 & 2 which have poor gameplay and very outdated squads and of course the absolutely abysmal Rugby 15 which has the lowest score on Metacritic for Xbox One games.

If Cricket and Baseball can have a game then surely Rugby deserves one. This is more of a statement than a question but feel free to discuss it, I'd love to hear your opinions.

P.S: I wasn't sure whether this should be in Rugby or Games as I've done my research and seen rugby game related threads in both. Feel free to move it if you think it deserves to be in Games.

Pudsy33

Rugby challenge 2 is decent enough to play especially against your friends.

Rugby league live 2 is by a mile the best rugby game I have played so I would recommend that even if it's league. Only on last generation consoles though. They are bringing out a third game soon which should be good.

postitnote

For me, the greatest rugby game to play with friends was Jonah Lomu Rugby on the PS1.

Neil3030

You'd imagine the Madden engine could be somehow tweaked to make a fairly decent game, but there just wouldn't be the market to justify the expense.

connemara man

I'd buy it and I don't buy games. I get hand me downs of old games

Synode

I haven't played a rugby game since Jonah Lomu. An updated version with similar game play would be great

razorblunt

At this stage I'd settle for a "remastered" Jonah Lomu for the new consoles.
On my old PS3 I had that Sega Mega Drive Classics, would love if they did something similar again.

So yeah, just give us Jonah Lomu.

Losty Dublin

Isn't this the gap in the market that's filled by tag rugby?:pac:

Joziah Future Scorer wrote: »

I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that Rugby is a fun sport to watch and play. When we watch the 6 Nations or European Cup, we see people like scoring amazing tries by running the length of the field, multiple passes, chipping the ball etc. and we want to then relive that in a game because it's far easier than real life.

For the last few years, the sport has been unfortunate enough to have no good game with Rugby '08 being the last good game in my eyes. After this we had RWC 2011 which had the exact same gameplay, Rugby Challenge 1 & 2 which have poor gameplay and very outdated squads and of course the absolutely abysmal Rugby 15 which has the lowest score on Metacritic for Xbox One games.

If Cricket and Baseball can have a game then surely Rugby deserves one. This is more of a statement than a question but feel free to discuss it, I'd love to hear your opinions.

P.S: I wasn't sure whether this should be in Rugby or Games as I've done my research and seen rugby game related threads in both. Feel free to move it if you think it deserves to be in Games.

WeleaseWoderick

Not exactly the most realistic depiction of rugby in a video game but the recently announced Mario & Sonic at the 2016 Olympics will include a rugby 7's mode!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzP4f5OIupk

razorblunt

Jamie George will be delighted they got his likeness bang on , they even have him scoring.

Dave_The_Sheep

Looks at least as good as the Rugby 08 game.

diusmr8a504cvk

Rugby World Cup 2015 game confirmed for September release, developed by bigben.

http://www.gamershell.com/companies/bigben_interactive/1434807.html

PTH2009

hopefully they get all the licences and have all offfical stadiums including Aviva, Cardiff etc

It should include Six Nations and Rugby championship modes too

thomond2006

They released Rugby 15 which was universally panned so will this fare any better?

Pudsy33

thomond2006 wrote: »

They released Rugby 15 which was universally panned so will this fare any better?

The hope is they rush released 15 and will have put way more time and resources into this. Although the fact that their press release suggests 15 was a success is a concern alright.

.ak

Doubt it.

thomond2006

Pudsy33 wrote: »

The hope is they rush released 15 and will have put way more time and resources into this. Although the fact that their press release suggests 15 was a success is a concern alright.

Maybe it was a success considering the resources put into it?

Pudsy33

thomond2006 wrote: »

Maybe it was a success considering the resources put into it?

It was an embarrassment. Had they pre-released rugby 08 it would have fared better. I cant see any way it could be considered a success, unless it sold a shed load

diusmr8a504cvk

Here's a video of some guy talking about it, he's a terrible commentator and I don't know where he gets his sources from but f*ck it! He's got other videos on the game as well so here's his channel
www.youtube.com/user/TheScottishcannon
www.youtube.com/watch?v=53eYf-KnHO4

diusmr8a504cvk

Pudsy33 wrote: »

It was an embarrassment. Had they pre-released rugby 08 it would have fared better. I cant see any way it could be considered a success, unless it sold a shed load

Rugby 08 was a cracker to be fair, release it as an arcade game for a couple of quid would be nice

errlloyd

Joziah Future Scorer wrote: »

Here's a video of some guy talking about it, he's a terrible commentator and I don't know where he gets his sources from but f*ck it! He's got other videos on the game as well so here's his channel
www.youtube.com/user/TheScottishcannon
www.youtube.com/watch?v=53eYf-KnHO4

The scorer at 1:56 is Chris Patterson...
Parks is at 10, Ansbro at 13. That is footage from an old game (edit, it says Rugby 2011 in the top right corner)

AdamD

Rugby 15 was an abomination

.ak

There'll never be a good rugby game unless a really good indie crowd look into a kickstarter campaign. As it is, no publisher is going to put big bucks behind them because there isn't a big fan base.

.ak

The dynamics of a rugby game need to be re-imagined too. They try and base it too much off a football game where the controls are based around the ball carrier. But rugby is enjoyable to watch because of the 15 v 15 dynamic, the set pieces, the moves etc., You don't get that with the games currently.

Personally I think they should look towards the american football format where you pause the play and determine the set piece before it happens, then it should change into a 'running' move after the first phase

AdamD

That would be easier to do but it wouldn't flow well at all, the biggest issue in making the game is the repositioning of players after phases, yet Rugby 15 couldn't even accomplish basics like passing and kicking. I'm pretty confident a much better job could be done on a similar budget. I'm sure if they were allowed to use the Madden engine they could have a shot at making a decent game. Could make a quality rugby league game on that engine. They shouldn't even attempt to make a game with the side on view either, doesn't work and baffles me that people even use it.

razorblunt

Haven't they tried that before with set moves off lineouts & scrums? It worked pretty well and was realistic in the sense it would get you through a gap but you wouldn't necessarily coast in for a try.

WeleaseWoderick

New version of Rugby Challenge announced:

http://www.hes.net/newsite/generic.php?pagerequest=rc3pressrelease

Have both games in the series so far and they can be OK for a while but not a patch on the old Jonah Lomu Rugby is terms of fun.

.ak

Tbh they have a shelflife of about an hour... They'll need to dramatically improve the gameplay, and with such a short turn around I doubt they have.

awec

Rugby Challenge 2 was just so slow to play. Too much latency between pressing a button on the controller and it actually doing anything in the game.

molloyjh

WeleaseWoderick wrote: »

New version of Rugby Challenge announced:

http://www.hes.net/newsite/generic.php?pagerequest=rc3pressrelease

Have both games in the series so far and they can be OK for a while but not a patch on the old Jonah Lomu Rugby is terms of fun.

Not developed by Sidhe though. They were always open about RC not being the finished product and we're looking to continually build on it with each iteration. Getting the financial backing to do it right first time out is just too difficult for smaller developers. I thought they were heading in the right direction though. It's a pity it just wasn't financially viable for them to continue with it. Another release or two and I think they'd have had a very solid game going. Hopefully this new crowd build on what's there rather than try and build it from scratch themselves.

Sever Tomorrow

Rugby Challenge 2 is much improved when you tinker with the gameplay settings and reduce the unrealistic amount of break tackles and offloads. There's a few good videos on youtube with settings you can copy.

A benefit of having the PC version is that there is a good mod available. It corrects the player names as some of the international teams are unlicensed.

I've sunk a lot of hours into the RC games, they do have their issues though, mainly with the rules of the game. A ball can be kicked out into touch and an opposition team player will catch it after it's dead, resulting in a lineout for the team that kicked it out. Also stuff like the ball being knocked on before a TMO decision and the attacking team getting the 5 meter scrum when the try isn't give. Probably a few other issues I can't think of now.

PTH2009

i wonder which game the IRFU will give the rights too ???

its annoying we cant have just one offical rugby game with all licences

DEFTLEFTHAND

I wish EA would get back on board. They got it right with the last version they released for PS2, the ability to offload in the tackle made the game really fluid and exciting. Kicking controls had also been perfected by that stage imo.

They must have not been shifting enough copies to justify continuing the series.

Pudsy33

PTH2009 wrote: »

i wonder which game the IRFU will give the rights too ???

its annoying we cant have just one offical rugby game with all licences

The world cup game I suspect.

JPNelsforearm

I would love rugby management game like football manager from Sports interactive, as has been pointed out above they need to put money into making it good and with licensing and promotion all costing money how much would an indie developer have to build a game or graphics engine? With a management sim you remove a lot of that cost, could be a better way to go to get a playable rugby game.

PTH2009

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I would love rugby management game like football manager from Sports interactive, as has been pointed out above they need to put money into making it good and with licensing and promotion all costing money how much would an indie developer have to build a game or graphics engine? With a management sim you remove a lot of that cost, could be a better way to go to get a playable rugby game.

they do have 2 rugby management games out but they get boring after a while and its fairly unrealistic. you cant just manage an international team you have to get selected while your manager of a club

PTH2009

Rugby World Cup game due out next Friday not much talk about it

Looking like it's going to unlicensed teams and one playable stadium

diusmr8a504cvk

Rugby Challenge 3 will be the one to buy this year. Here's the trailer for RWC 2015 which looks very poor:

PTH2009

Joziah Future Scorer wrote: »

Rugby Challenge 3 will be the one to buy this year. Here's the trailer for RWC 2015 which looks very poor:

Stadiums look unofficial. I'll be buying both as it's the only games I really play on consoles

wp_rathead

That RWC15 game looks shocking..
What ever about a rugby game engine being tough to create, the graphics and animation look like they havn't been updated since Rugby'08..

Pudsy33

wp_rathead wrote: »

That RWC15 game looks shocking..
What ever about a rugby game engine being tough to create, the graphics and animation look like they havn't been updated since Rugby'08..

They've gone backwards if anything. The rugby world cup game will be the same engine as rugby 15, which is safely the worst game I have ever played. It's a really shame our sports showpiece event will get a shoddy video game representation. Hopefully rugby challenge 3 will improve on the old games, at least there was potential there.

ktulu123

Pudsy33 wrote: »

They've gone backwards if anything. The rugby world cup game will be the same engine as rugby 15, which is safely the worst game I have ever played. It's a really shame our sports showpiece event will get a shoddy video game representation. Hopefully rugby challenge 3 will improve on the old games, at least there was potential there.

Just to echo this, The world cup game is a re-branded Rugby 15, which is also the worst game I have ever played! Do not go near either of those games. Just a cash grab for the world cup.

Rugby Challenge on the other hand will also be technically a "****e" game, BUT Rugby Challenge 2 is one of my absolute favorite games. Just because of how hilarious some of the incidents in matches can be. Myself and a mate always play 2 player local play on the PC and it's great craic. We even came up with our own game mode. Drop goals only, meaning drop goals are the only points that count to your score, if you score a try you will get minus points etc.

It can lead to some funny situations. Making a break, down the center of the field and having to attempt a drop goal & near the end of the match trying to spill the ball on your own line so the other team dives on it

Basically, I can't wait for RC3

thomond2006

I bought rugby 15 on psn for a tenner for a laugh. Oh boy. These people had some cheek charging full price for that POS game. Their budget was probably feck all so there's no justification for a full price. I'd nearly urge people to not buy the RWC game for that reason.

Honestly World Rugby need to partner up with a major developer to put out a quality game. Look at how important the FIFA and Madden franchises are to their respective sports. Playing Madden got me hooked on the real life NFL! An outstanding rugby game could encourage new people to play and/or follow the sport.

thevinylword

Nothing can top Jonah Lomu, shame developers have never gotten a decent grasp of it since

wp_rathead

A Se7ens game mode could be very good - and straight forward enough to develop

The breakdown of proper 15 man game must be a nightmare for developers

NU8

The Rugby World Cup 2015 game was released today. Seems to be the previous Rugby 15 with a few bugs fixed and fewer teams.

IGN give it 1.5/10: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/09/04/rugby-world-cup-2015-review

Pudsy33

A shameless cash in it seems. I expected nothing else. I've bought every rugby game released as I'd love to see game progress but this will be left well alone. Roll on RC3 and RLL3.

PTH2009

Going to buy it later on. Even if the game is crap by reviewers standards I enjoy them. The one thing I hated about rugby 15 were the controls. They were so confusing and annoying. I expect controls will be the same foe this game. Going to buy rugby challenge 3 as well when it comes out

NU8

PTH2009 wrote: »

Going to buy it later on. Even if the game is crap by reviewers standards I enjoy them. The one thing I hated about rugby 15 were the controls. They were so confusing and annoying. I expect controls will be the same foe this game. Going to buy rugby challenge 3 as well when it comes out

Let us know how you find it. It's the first Rugby game I don't plan to buy. Holding off for RC3.

PTH2009

NU8 wrote: »

Let us know how you find it. It's the first Rugby game I don't plan to buy. Holding off for RC3.

Ireland are unlicescend so that means that might be licensend in RC3

PTH2009

Weird that the irfu didn't give licences for either the rugby World Cup game or rugby challenge 3