Rathcoole or knocklyon?

anaeliza

Hey folks I was just wondering if yous could help my husband and I decide where to relocate.we narrowed it down to a brand new 4 bed semi detached house in broadfield rathcoole or a smaller 3 bed in woodstown knocklyon.my husband thinks rathcoole is better value with a nice country feel to it. I'm more heading towards woodstown as I heard its a lovely area any advice on the areas schools and that would b appreciated

Prefect_1998

dont move to rathcoole if you plan on having kids....

anaeliza

Thanks for the quick reply
Why say that have you heard
Bad things about the schools
In rathcoole I have two children
So that's a huge factor in our move

McGrath5

Knocklyon - without question.

You have the benefit of been relatively closer to the city, with it comes all the benefits of having the amenities that come with it, also Woodstown is very close to the Dublin mountains, which should give you the country feel.

athtrasna

Where do you guys work? Do you have friends and/or family in a particular area? Do you drive?

Can't really give an answer based on the info you've given so far.

Another vote for Knocklyon....

you might get more house for your money in Rathcoole, but its
location, location, location...

When your kids are teens they will way prefer living in Knocklyon
than Rathcoole, which is just too far away from Dublin.

I know Dublin is not the centre of the universe for everyone, but as previous
poster mentioned, there are way more amenities close to the city.

anaeliza

athtrasna wrote: »

Where do you guys work? Do you have friends and/or family in a particular area? Do you drive?

Can't really give an answer based on the info you've given so far.

I'm living in tallaght with family and friends around us
I work in city center and husband in clondalkin
We both drive
I think woodstown is a nicer area with good schools
But my husband thinks rathcoole is better value and also
A nice area
I don't know much about rathcoole or the schools

Kalimah

I live in Knocklyon beside Woodstown and actually know someone living in Broadfield Rathcoole! Knocklyon has exceptional schools. Transport is excellent. Shops are good too. Rathcoole is too far out of the city. Particularly for teenagers meeting up with friends; not to mention college.

fussyonion

Another vote for Woodstown.

I know a girl who moved to Rathcoole, from Dublin, because she wanted the big five-bed house and now she seriously regrets it.
She has to travel to Dublin twice a day for work, also visit her family and friends who are still in the city, and has to rely on lifts/taxis for nights out.

These may seem minor things, but if you think your life will be mostly based in Dublin or Dublin's where you'll spend a lot of time/commute to...it may not be wise to move to Rathcoole.

Like your hubby says, you will get more house for your money, but it's all about location.

gar23

I too was thinking of rathcoole but decided against it because I heard the school has a bad reputation and the area has gone downhill

anaeliza

Thanks folks
I didn't realise the area and schools In rathcoole
Had a bad reputation

Ush1

Woodstown, Knocklyon? I'd call anything that side of the M50 Tallaght.

fussyonion

Ush1 wrote: »

Woodstown, Knocklyon? I'd call anything that side of the M50 Tallaght.

And you'd be wrong, of course.

duffman13

Rathcoole was a lovely area about 10 years ago, a lot of random developments and the place list it's charm. I would disagree about the school though, unless it's changed dramatically in the last 5 years it always had a great reputation. Still having never been in Woodstown I'd probably jump at that over broadfield in particular.

MrWalsh

Knocklyon or Rathcoole - Knocklyon without question.

If youre raising a family Knocklyon offers much more in the way of amenities.

Ush1

fussyonion wrote: »

And you'd be wrong, of course.

Maybe. Google maps seem to list it as Ballycullen.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Ballycullen,+Dublin/@53.272966,-6.325723,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x48670b1b3de6d751:0x2600c7a819bdd032

Which is recognised as Dublin 24.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin-24/property-for-sale-in-ballycullen

But I could be wrong, of course.

gaius c

Is Woodstown really Knocklyon? Map shows it as being in Ballycullen.

I think Knocklyon is nice but it's very expensive for that it is. The area has small 1000 sq ft houses looking for 380-390k and that doesn't represent great value in my book.

gaius c

anaeliza wrote: »

Thanks folks
I didn't realise the area and schools In rathcoole
Had a bad reputation

Do your own research. We're just a bunch of randomers on the internet.

For instance, I could tell you that half of all axe murderers in the country will come from Beverly and you'd obviously scoff at such a silly claim.

So why would you listen to another randomer proclaim that the schools in an area are no good?

fussyonion

gaius c wrote: »

Do your own research. We're just a bunch of randomers on the internet.

For instance, I could tell you that half of all axe murderers in the country will come from Beverly and you'd obviously scoff at such a silly claim.

So why would you listen to another randomer proclaim that the schools in an area are no good?

In a way you're right; people who are hoping to move to a new area should really go and investigate it for themselves.

They should drive around during the day and night, maybe chat to the neighbours, get a feel for the place, but it can be helpful to ask people here too as residents of those areas can give their opinions, as can people familiar with said areas.

fussyonion

Ush1 wrote: »

Maybe. Google maps seem to list it as Ballycullen.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Ballycullen,+Dublin/@53.272966,-6.325723,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x48670b1b3de6d751:0x2600c7a819bdd032

Which is recognised as Dublin 24.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin-24/property-for-sale-in-ballycullen

But I could be wrong, of course.

Yeah, thinking about it actually, I don't think I would class Woodstown as Knocklyon either.
Coming back to the Tallaght debate, Firhouse is classed as Dublin 24 but isn't classed as Tallaght.
Tallaght is anywhere north of Old Bawn, for example: Tallaght Village, Jobstown, Fettercarin.

seamus

gaius c wrote: »

Is Woodstown really Knocklyon? Map shows it as being in Ballycullen.

I think Knocklyon is nice but it's very expensive for that it is. The area has small 1000 sq ft houses looking for 380-390k and that doesn't represent great value in my book.

This exact same conversation/argument was had on another thread a few weeks ago . Anything east of the Ballycullen Road is Dublin 16, anything west of it is Dublin 24. Woodstown while in the traditional townland of Ballycullen, has a postal address of Knocklyon and is considered locally to be part of Knocklyon. It's in the catchment area for the Knocklyon schools.
The traditional townland for Ballycullen is actually almost exclusively in Dublin 16 (east of the Ballycullen rd), but over time that's changed through popular usage such that it's the area west of the Ballycullen road that now uses Ballycullen in the postal address.

Agreed that Knocklyon is quite expensive, but that's primarily because it has highly regarded schools and good transport links. On a good day you're a 25 minute bus trip from Woodstown to the city centre. When I say good day, I mean 10am on a quiet Sunday.

For quality of life reasons there would be no contest between Knocklyon and Rathcoole for me. Having to drive everywhere to see people, having to drive the kids everywhere. Nah, Knocklyon is the way to go.

Ush1

fussyonion wrote: »

Yeah, thinking about it actually, I don't think I would class Woodstown as Knocklyon either.
Coming back to the Tallaght debate, Firhouse is classed as Dublin 24 but isn't classed as Tallaght.
Tallaght is anywhere north of Old Bawn, for example: Tallaght Village, Jobstown, Fettercarin.

I don't want to drag this thread off topic but I've never heard that definition of Tallaght, and I would say it's completely wrong. Even by that strange definition, look at a map, Kiltalown(Jobstown) is south of Old Bawn.

FWIW, my brother was the postman there and has said it's basically Tallaght or could be called Ballycullen.

ceekay74

If it was me choosing, it would be Knocklyon, no question.

Sounds like your husband is focused on value, and he's probably right that it is better value, but Knocklyon just has more going for it.

MrWalsh

Ush1 wrote: »

I don't want to drag this thread off topic but I've never heard that definition of Tallaght, and I would say it's completely wrong. Even by that strange definition, look at a map, Kiltalown(Jobstown) is south of Old Bawn.

FWIW, my brother was the postman there and has said it's basically Tallaght or could be called Ballycullen.

Thats because you are basing your understanding off postal districts.

So is your brother.

Postal districts mean very little except to An Post. For example, parts of Rathfarnham are in D14 and parts are in D16 - but its all still Rathfarnham.

Ush1

MrWalsh wrote: »

Thats because you are basing your understanding off postal districts.

So is your brother.

Postal districts mean very little except to An Post. For example, parts of Rathfarnham are in D14 and parts are in D16 - but its all still Rathfarnham.

Whereas your understanding is...

He may be but I'm not. I went to school near there and have many friends from there, none of which has ever referred to it as Knocklyon. Also, I think you'll find postal districts mean a lot to a lot of people, do you know why Dublin 6W exists?

gaius c

seamus wrote: »

This exact same conversation/argument was had on another thread a few weeks ago . Anything east of the Ballycullen Road is Dublin 16, anything west of it is Dublin 24. Woodstown while in the traditional townland of Ballycullen, has a postal address of Knocklyon and is considered locally to be part of Knocklyon. It's in the catchment area for the Knocklyon schools.
The traditional townland for Ballycullen is actually almost exclusively in Dublin 16 (east of the Ballycullen rd), but over time that's changed through popular usage such that it's the area west of the Ballycullen road that now uses Ballycullen in the postal address.

Agreed that Knocklyon is quite expensive, but that's primarily because it has highly regarded schools and good transport links. On a good day you're a 25 minute bus trip from Woodstown to the city centre. When I say good day, I mean 10am on a quiet Sunday.

For quality of life reasons there would be no contest between Knocklyon and Rathcoole for me. Having to drive everywhere to see people, having to drive the kids everywhere. Nah, Knocklyon is the way to go.

Sure but nearly €400 per sq ft to live in Knocklyon "proper" is an awful lot of money. It's still an outer suburb of Dublin when all is said and done.

MrWalsh

Ush1 wrote: »

Whereas your understanding is...

The correct one

Ush1

MrWalsh wrote: »

The correct one

Brilliant, well I'm convinced.:)

seamus

gaius c wrote: »

Sure but nearly €400 per sq ft to live in Knocklyon "proper" is an awful lot of money. It's still an outer suburb of Dublin when all is said and done.

Yeah, €4,200 per sq.m. is about the going price at the moment. Depends on the property. Woodstown is probably closer to €4k/sq.m., whereas properties around the Knocklyon road are that bit more.

Yep, I know it's pretty crazy, but prices are what they are. In pure snobbery terms, Knocklyon is where the young middle class professionals bought property in the 1970s and 80s, as they were priced out of the Dublin 6W market but D24 was too lower class for them.

As such, it's always had a middle-middle-class attitude and since those young professionals spawned more young professionals, it's the area of choice for those people to buy and raise their own families.

I guess much like Foxrock has very little going for it in location terms yet asks extortionate prices, location is as much about who lives in the area as where the area is.

seamus

Ush1 wrote: »

Also, I think you'll find postal districts mean a lot to a lot of people, do you know why Dublin 6W exists?

Here; http://correctaddress.anpost.ie/pages/Address.aspx?ref_id=M%2fEXEXLEpl7wqCTnVJ6Huw%3d%3d&lang=English

gaius c

fussyonion wrote: »

In a way you're right; people who are hoping to move to a new area should really go and investigate it for themselves.

They should drive around during the day and night, maybe chat to the neighbours, get a feel for the place, but it can be helpful to ask people here too as residents of those areas can give their opinions, as can people familiar with said areas.

Sure but second, third or possibly fourth hand anecdotes like this:

because I heard the school has a bad reputation

Don't really add a lot of value to the discussion.

SmithySeller

Don't know much about Knocklyon so I wont comment.


Rathcoole;

Nice Pubs and Restaurants, some in Saggart also.

Good shops (Spar, Centra, Tesco Express, much larger at City West also)

Decent Public Transport (Luas at CW, Both Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann serving Rathcoole along with private Buses).

Very Good Schools (with the Primary Irish School having a particularly excellent reputation). I know people living in Kildare sending kids to Rathcoole schools.

Excellent Sports Facilities (GAA, both Commercials in Rathcoole and Mary's in Saggart, Clondalkin RFC located at City West, Numerous Equestrian Centres. Soccer Clubs, Astro Soccer, Golf Courses etc.). There is a huge Parkland that’s runs from Avoca right up behind the village.

The Village itself is very old and historic. Most of the estates were built in the 70’s and 80’s, with more recent Celtic Tiger editions. Drive or walk up behind the village (take a left at the Village Inn) and you have lovely countryside with ample Hills, Forestry and small Rivers, one side overlooks Dublin City and the other overlooks Wicklow. This area, primarily called Red Gap is a mixture of modest and impressive detached housing. In years gone by (not sure about now), many a celebrity lived in this part of Rathcoole. I could list them, but you might laugh :P

IMO it might offer the best of both Worlds, its 10miles from Dublin City Centre and faster than ever to commute in. People saying that it’s too far are having a right laugh :rolleyes:. But also surrounded by fantastic country side, excellent for Kids to grow up around.

Hope that helps

McGrath5

Also OP, one thing people do not seem to consider when considering moving out to the commuter belt is the amount of time and money you will spend driving in and out of the city everyday.
On the front of it, the house in Rathcoole may seem a who lot cheaper, but when you factor in the cost of commuting over the years, it may not look so cheap anymore.

anaeliza

Thanks for the advice
we"ll drive around both areas to get a feel of them
great to hear good feedback on the schools as that is a huge factor in our move

Sorry to resurrect a zombie thread but this really interests me.

It's 2 years on from the OP and the idea of buying a semi-d in Knocklyon for €380k are firmly out the window

But I find myself in a similar situation. I know Knocklyon and love it, but feel it's bad value for money. Plus, if you are working in the city centre, transport is a nightmare. You only have the 15 which goes through templeogue, terenure, rathgar and rathmines before getting to town. You're talking an hour to O'Connell st. But that said it is a lovely area, very nice and green (though lacking in pubs or village feel).

Rathcoole has that village feel, actually is a village street with nice pubs though the shops are not great. The estates are a little bland but the houses are well built (I know a couple of people out there) and as a previous poster has said there's lots of green space and amenities out there. 10 miles is not thar far either and for those working in the city centre, getting the Luas from CW is a pretty good option of getting to work. And you can get your 4 bed semi-d for €380k.

So I'm serious if the OP made their decision?

Anyone here live in Rathcoole? (I get the impression from the thread that a lot of responders were from Dublin and scared of the thought of living outside of Dublin, would think that 2 years later there's a lot more people living in Rathcoole and that it might be more popular with people from rural towns and villages)

And would anyone update what they said previously given that you would be spending €550 for a house in knocklyon that you'd get for €380 in Rathcoole?

Thanks for any thoughts or advice, sorry if I sound demanding but I'm at the stage where I'm trying to gather as much info as possible to make an informed decision.

Ush1

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry to resurrect a zombie thread but this really interests me.

It's 2 years on from the OP and the idea of buying a semi-d in Knocklyon for €380k are firmly out the window

But I find myself in a similar situation. I know Knocklyon and love it, but feel it's bad value for money. Plus, if you are working in the city centre, transport is a nightmare. You only have the 15 which goes through templeogue, terenure, rathgar and rathmines before getting to town. You're talking an hour to O'Connell st. But that said it is a lovely area, very nice and green (though lacking in pubs or village feel).

Rathcoole has that village feel, actually is a village street with nice pubs though the shops are not great. The estates are a little bland but the houses are well built (I know a couple of people out there) and as a previous poster has said there's lots of green space and amenities out there. 10 miles is not thar far either and for those working in the city centre, getting the Luas from CW is a pretty good option of getting to work. And you can get your 4 bed semi-d for €380k.

So I'm serious if the OP made their decision?

Anyone here live in Rathcoole? (I get the impression from the thread that a lot of responders were from Dublin and scared of the thought of living outside of Dublin, would think that 2 years later there's a lot more people living in Rathcoole and that it might be more popular with people from rural towns and villages)

And would anyone update what they said previously given that you would be spending €550 for a house in knocklyon that you'd get for €380 in Rathcoole?

Thanks for any thoughts or advice, sorry if I sound demanding but I'm at the stage where I'm trying to gather as much info as possible to make an informed decision.

Woodstown isn't Knocklyon!

My cousin lives in Broadfield Manor in Rathcoole and likes it. Some decent pubs there. I wouldn't be mad on either area to be honest personally but I'd pay 380k for a new 4 bed in Rathcoole before 550k for a smaller 3 bed in Woodstown.

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Danjamin1

I bought in Woodstown 2 years ago and couldn't be happier. It's a great community, the bus is on my doorstep in to town and it's perfect cycling distance to the city centre. There's no village centre to speak of which I guess would be my only gripe but in saying that there's plenty of amenities within walking distance.

With regard to the Knocklyon/Tallaght debate, well it's definitely not Tallaght. The areas of Glenlyon & Glenvara were within the Knocklyon area before the M50 was built, so I don't think the M50 is the de facto border line. It's more Ballycullen than anything else, but my postal address says Knocklyon, Dublin 16 so that's what I go with!

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kerplun k

Ush1 wrote: »

Woodstown isn't Knocklyon!

My cousin lives in Broadfield Manor in Rathcoole and likes it. Some decent pubs there. I wouldn't be mad on either area to be honest personally but I'd pay 380k for a new 4 bed in Rathcoole before 550k for a smaller 3 bed in Woodstown.

I don't know why I get so worked up about this, but I do.

Everything east of Ballycullen Road is Knocklyon. This includes Glenvara Park, Woodstown, Dalriada, etc. The address on all these places is Knocklyon. Eircode has these houses as Knocklyon. If you post a letter to any of these addresses, you address them to Knocklyon... That big sign off exit 12 on the M50, right beside Woodstown, the one between knocklyon park and Knocklyon fc, says.... KNOCKLYON

I don't care if you consider these as knocklyon or not, but I'll tell you one reason why it is... because that's the name in the f**king address. That's what it's called. That's how it works.

In your head, Its probably not a nice area, you may not see these are being proper knocklyon, maybe because it's on the outside of the m50, maybe its too far away from supervalue, maybe it's because you think the sun shines out off knocklyons ar*e and these locations aren't worth of having the title of knocklyon, however, let me stress this one point to the OP. If you buy a house in Woodstown, your address will be KNOCKLYON.

The distance between Ballycullen and Knocyloyon.

2.2 km) via Scholarstown Rd

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/26-ferncourt-avenue-ballycullen-dublin-24/4008528 ( 26 Ferncourt Avenue )(300k)

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/39-woodstown-heights-knocklyon-dublin-16/4059044 ( 39 Woodstown Heights )(420k)

They are both 3 bed semi and roughly comparable with each other.

If anyone is nuts enough to spend over a 100k more on a house 2.2km down the road just because it is D16 instead of D24 its hard to make sense of it.

That why all those articles about property being too expensive for young couples should be take with a pinch of salt.

rick_fantastic

mariaalice wrote: »

The distance between Ballycullen and Knocyloyon.

2.2 km) via Scholarstown Rd

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/26-ferncourt-avenue-ballycullen-dublin-24/4008528 ( 26 Ferncourt Avenue )(300k)

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/39-woodstown-heights-knocklyon-dublin-16/4059044 ( 39 Woodstown Heights )(420k)

They are both 3 bed semi and roughly comparable with each other.

If anyone is nuts enough to spend over a 100k more on a house 2.2km down the road just because it is D16 instead of D24 its hard to make sense of it.

That why all those articles about property being too expensive for young couples should be take with a pinch of salt.

Those houses are not even close to being comparable... The one in Woodstown is finished to a really high standard. Kitchens are worlds apart.

You would need to put I'd estimate about 80-100k into the Ferncourt one to get it to a comparable standard.

Postcode snobbery though on the other hand is alive and well..

I bought up the road from Woodstown and while my address is Dublin 16 (I don't really consider it Knocklyon), but its in catchment area for Colmcilles School which was a big deciding factor when looking at houses either side of the Ballycullen road.