Oliver Reed

porsche959

is the latest celeb alleged paedo to be unmasked.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-claims-royal-paedophile-ring-5379159#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Specialun

Such horrible khunts

Imagine how much or a horrible khunt maggie thatcher was to knight jimmy saville and cyril smith. Espically as she knew saville was one

porsche959

Specialun wrote: »

Such horrible khunts

Imagine how much or a horrible khunt maggie thatcher was to knight jimmy saville and cyril smith. Espically as she knew saville was one

She didn't necessarily know Savile was one for certain, she was given memo from senior civil servant saying he was an odd figure and if some scandal erupted it would bring honours system into disrepute.

darkpagandeath

I would like to see some proof, The palace link is the holy grail for the papers.

muddypaws

porsche959 wrote: »

is the latest celeb alleged paedo to be unmasked.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-claims-royal-paedophile-ring-5379159#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Did you actually read the 'article'?

Specialun

porsche959 wrote: »

She didn't necessarily know Savile was one for certain, she was given memo from senior civil servant saying he was an odd figure and if some scandal erupted it would bring honours system into disrepute.

She knew saville v well.

porsche959

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I would like to see some proof, The palace link is the holy grail for the papers.

Well, it sells papers.

They are biting around the ankles of the palace right enough. The 'royal' could be Anthony Blunt, who was unmasked years ago (but never prosecuted).

porsche959

muddypaws wrote: »

Did you actually read the 'article'?

I 'did' 'read' 'the' article, yes.

Saipanne

porsche959 wrote: »

is the latest celeb alleged paedo to be unmasked.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-claims-royal-paedophile-ring-5379159#ICID=sharebar_twitter

If the mirror said you were a paedophile, you'd probably doubt yourself.

Karl Stein

The former Met Police officer says a vice squad cop told him an investigation into Establishment figures was axed for reasons of national security

'Reasons of national security'. Fuck off. Protecting the 'elite' as usual.

FloatingVoter

The shock revelation that Oliver Reed may have been sighted in a brothel with a 15 year old girl.
Is this the same upstanding gent who flashed his upstanding member on national TV any chance he got ?
Pissed on bar counters when no ashtrays were to hand ?
Dry humped Susan George live on the Late Late Show ?

I am stunned at this display of bad manners and degeneracy. Ollie probably was too when he sobered up.

porsche959

Specialun wrote: »

She knew saville v well.

Not defending her but if she was still alive and 'compos mentis' she might have plausible deniability on Savile.

Less so on Sir Peter Morrison though.

jungleman

The "Royal" who was mentioned is fairly common knowledge

porsche959

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The shock revelation that Oliver Reed may have been sighted in a brothel with a 15 year old girl.
Is this the same upstanding gent who flashed his upstanding member on national TV any chance he got ?
Pissed on bar counters when no ashtrays were to hand ?
Dry humped Susan George live on the Late Late Show ?

I am stunned at this display of bad manners and degeneracy. Ollie probably was too when he sobered up.

Maybe he wasn't a "true" peadophile but alcohol led him down a bad path?

porsche959

jungleman wrote: »

The "Royal" who was mentioned is fairly common knowledge

Would have thought there is more than one possible candidate, no?

Slicemeister

There's no post funny enough for the front page of AH when it comes to these sickos.



Seeing as it's page 2,Oliver was a sound skin.

FloatingVoter

jungleman wrote: »

The "Royal" who was mentioned is fairly common knowledge

Well, Phil the Greek humped most of London society ladies in the 40s and 50s.
Edward plays for the other side.
Charles has a thing for plants and Audrey off Coronation Street.
So I'm guessing the Andy whats called Randy.

jungleman

porsche959 wrote: »

Would have thought there is more than one possible candidate, no?

Yer man andrew is being investigated now, but that has only come to light in the last few weeks. Before that, there was one in particular whose activities were well known. Pretty sure I can't name him on this, don't wanna be breaking any rules or anything

porsche959

jungleman wrote: »

Before that, there was one in particular whose activities were well known. Pretty sure I can't name him on this, don't wanna be breaking any rules or anything

Course you can. He's dead. You're talking about Mountbatten, yes?

FloatingVoter

jungleman wrote: »

Yer man andrew is being investigated now, but that has only come to light in the last few weeks. Before that, there was one in particular whose activities were well known. Pretty sure I can't name him on this, don't wanna be breaking any rules or anything

I discounted a few in the post above. If I'm wrong, you can blame me. I know the Queen is a regular here...but she's off feeding the corgis now.

jungleman

porsche959 wrote: »

Course you can. He's dead. You're talking about Mountbatten, yes?

You're not wrong!

porsche959

jungleman wrote: »

You're not wrong!

It's possible he was innocent and the rumours were smears emanating from senior civil servants or military/navy figures who resented his interferences. But I really don't know.

FloatingVoter

Thing about Mountbatten is he was the royal family's fixer. If anything shady was going on at the top of the tree involving someone or other, he'd be the guy to organise the ring fence and cover-up. Whether or not he was mixed up in the ****e himself we still don't know.

BBJBIG

What a stupid name : Mount + the Bat ton
Many of those Ingilish are foooookin warped

jungleman

porsche959 wrote: »

It's possible he was innocent and the rumours were smears emanating from senior civil servants or military/navy figures who resented his interferences. But I really don't know.

It is possible he was completely innocent, granted. Allegedly the IRA targeted him specifically because of these rumours, however. Until a victim comes forward or there is solid evidence it's all just speculation.

Saipanne

jungleman wrote: »

It is possible he was completely innocent, granted. Allegedly the IRA targeted him specifically because of these rumours, however. Until a victim comes forward or there is solid evidence it's all just speculation.

Of course the IRA never committed such acts.

Ahem.

FloatingVoter

BBJBIG wrote: »

What a stupid name : Mount + the Bat ton
Many of those Ingilish are foooookin warped

Name change from the German Battenberg before his time during World War 1. Just a Dingle / An Daingean switch to avoid the natives getting restless.

KungPao

porsche959 wrote: »

is the latest celeb alleged paedo to be unmasked.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-claims-royal-paedophile-ring-5379159#ICID=sharebar_twitter

15.

Isn't the definition of paedophilia the sexual attraction to pre-pubescents?

Faith+1

Complete and utter sh*te.

porsche959

KungPao wrote: »

15.

Isn't the definition of paedophilia the sexual attraction to pre-pubescents?

That might be the definition, but in common parlance today it is used for attraction to anyone under AOC.

porsche959

jungleman wrote: »

It is possible he was completely innocent, granted. Allegedly the IRA targeted him specifically because of these rumours, however. Until a victim comes forward or there is solid evidence it's all just speculation.

I truly doubt that he was targetted specifically because of these allegations. I'd say they got lucky. He was lax about his personal security because he believed he got on well with locals and would not be targetted.

porsche959

Saipanne wrote: »

If the mirror said you were a paedophile, you'd probably doubt yourself.

Saipanne wrote: »

Of course the IRA never committed such acts.

Ahem.

If the Sindo said...etc, etc.

Saipanne

porsche959 wrote: »

If the Sindo said...etc, etc.

Its the mirror. The mirror.

porsche959

Saipanne wrote: »

Its the mirror. The mirror.

What of it? You realise one of the writers is the guy that did the Savile expose for ITV?

I know it's a tabloid but it's not in the Sunday Sport mode.

KungPao

porsche959 wrote: »

That might be the definition, but in common parlance today it is used for attraction to anyone under AOC.

Still, it doesn't make it right.

The Diabolical Monocle

You don't unmask anyone who's alleged.


Trial by media bull****.




allegation doesn't equal guilty.


unless your a tabloid (alleged) scumbag.

porsche959

KungPao wrote: »

Still, it doesn't make it right.

Words change their meaning over time.

Jimmy Savile is commonly spoken of as a peadophile, but in reality he was probably a predatory ebebophile, as most of his alleged victims were well over 12, on average round 16 I think.

But bottom line, if it's true that Reed was paying 15 year old prostitutes when in his fifties, I think most people would regard that as immoral and certainly it was and still is illegal.

FloatingVoter

porsche959 wrote: »

I truly doubt that he was targetted specifically because of these allegations. I'd say they got lucky. He was lax about his personal security because he believed he got on well with locals and would not be targetted.

Yeah, getting the PIRA, the Guards and the British establishment to agree on the time of day is hard but that is the truth - a high profile "target" in an easily accessible place at a predictable time (same time every year...Classiebawn). Don't believe a randomer on the net, pop down to Mullaghmore yourself and ask any local over the age of 50.
The fact Mountbatten was sympathetic towards a united Ireland at the height of the 1970s came out later. If they hadn't blown him up, those high value connections of his might have been part of ending the violence up north a good ten years earlier.....instead the IRA got bad publicity worldwide.

Saipanne

porsche959 wrote: »

What of it?

Never mind. Here's another sterling periodical.

jungleman

porsche959 wrote: »

I truly doubt that he was targetted specifically because of these allegations. I'd say they got lucky. He was lax about his personal security because he believed he got on well with locals and would not be targetted.

I've heard from a few different people that the alleged activities were behind his death. I've heard a few other things about it too that are definitely unrepeatable, especially on a public forum. It could all be a load of bull, not denying that, I'm just saying what I've heard.

porsche959

Saipanne wrote: »

Never mind. Here's another sterling periodical.

Blocked. Good luck.

Littlekittylou

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The shock revelation that Oliver Reed may have been sighted in a brothel with a 15 year old girl.
Is this the same upstanding gent who flashed his upstanding member on national TV any chance he got ?
Pissed on bar counters when no ashtrays were to hand ?
Dry humped Susan George live on the Late Late Show ?

I am stunned at this display of bad manners and degeneracy. Ollie probably was too when he sobered up.

He was lauded and applauded as a drunk baffoon. There are a lot of lindsay lohan's and Brittany Spears now who don't realize they are clowns for the media

Awful story.

KungPao

porsche959 wrote: »

Words change their meaning over time.

Jimmy Savile is commonly spoken of as a peadophile, but in reality he was probably a predatory ebebophile, as most of his alleged victims were well over 12, on average round 16 I think.

I don't think the word has changed meaning for most people.

It is what it is.

Let's be honest, there is a world of difference to say, molesting a 1 year old and having sex with a 15/16 year old.

Saipanne

porsche959 wrote: »

Blocked. Good luck.

Awww, Porsche...

porsche959

KungPao wrote: »

I don't think the word has changed meaning for most people.

It is what it is.

Look at a smattering of articles or even social media posts about Savile, then look at age profile of his alleged victims, and tell me the word hasn't gradually changed meaning in eyes of media/general public.

KungPao wrote: »

Let's be honest, there is a world of difference to say, molesting a 1 year old and having sex with a 15/16 year old.

Of course, but equally there is world of difference to having sex with a 15, or say a 30 year old prostitute.

I find the choice of wording here - "having sex with a 15/16 year old" - somewhat troubling, as we are talking about an allegation (unproven, granted) of committing an offense against a minor, and one likely, statistically, to come from a troubled background and to be a vulnerable person.

FloatingVoter

I'm not defending Reed here. But walking into a brothel and having sex with a seemingly consenting "overage" 15 year old is one situation. One a man of Reed's profile should never have gotten into, no matter how drunk he was or wasn't.
Visiting a hospital and raping a patient whatever their age is quite another.
On those simple grounds alone Reed and Savile differ.

Saipanne

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I'm not defending Reed here. But walking into a brothel and having sex with a seemingly consenting "overage" 15 year old is one situation. One a man of Reed's profile should never have gotten into, no matter how drunk he was or wasn't.
Visiting a hospital and raping a patient whatever their age is quite another.
On those simple grounds alone Reed and Savile differ.

Some would disagree. Eh, Porsche?

porsche959

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I'm not defending Reed here. But walking into a brothel and having sex with a seemingly consenting "overage" 15 year old is one situation. One a man of Reed's profile should never have gotten into, no matter how drunk he was or wasn't.
Visiting a hospital and raping a patient whatever their age is quite another.
On those simple grounds alone Reed and Savile differ.

I take your point but I believe all of these factors are taken into account in sentencing guidelines. I am still troubled by use of phrases like 'consenting' and 'overage' in respect of a fifteen year old prostitute. I assume when you say 'overage' you mean someone that looked overage? Fair enough, that's a possibility. But under the eyes of the law, statutory rape would apply here, if allegation is true.

FloatingVoter

porsche959 wrote: »

I take your point but I believe all of these factors are taken into account in sentencing guidelines. I am still troubled by use of phrases like 'consenting' and 'overage' in respect of a fifteen year old prostitute. I assume when you say 'overage' you mean someone that looked overage? Fair enough, that's a possibility. But under the eyes of the law, statutory rape would apply here, if allegation is true.

True, that's what I meant when I said Reed should have known better. A professional actor with his talents / experience might be expected to know that people in brothels are inclined to tell lies.
My point is, strolling into a hospital (sometimes mental institutions of which you're a patron), and raping patients is in another field of morality altogether.
The lawyers can crunch laws and phrases - I'll stick with a situation I could understand someone for being in and a deed for which I'd happily kill the perpetrator.

porsche959

FloatingVoter wrote: »

True, that's what I meant when I said Reed should have known better. A professional actor with his talents / experience might be expected to know that people in brothels are inclined to tell lies.
My point is, strolling into a hospital (sometimes mental institutions of which you're a patron), and raping patients is in another field of morality altogether.
The lawyers can crunch laws and phrases - I'll stick with a situation I could understand someone for being in and a deed for which I'd happily kill the perpetrator.

I agree, and certainly wasn't attempting to argue to the contrary. I only brought Savile into the discussion because another poster was talking about how the allegation against Reed wouldn't suggest he was a paedophile, given the girl was allegedly 15. But Savile was possibly also not a peadophile but an ebebophile of a particularly pedatory nature - something approaching a psychopath, perhaps.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ollie would be boozed up in these situations, not a good man to make a judgement call on age I'd imagine. If 16 is the age of consent its reality that many 15 year olds will pass for it.

Reed was different to any vanilla celeb around today, his world was full of excess and madness, the guy allegedly swung both ways and lived it up every way imaginable. I don't believe the guy was a dirty nonce.