How soon can discussion begin of legal cases in court?

Missymoohaa

Hi

I know if a legal case is going through the courts it cannot be discussed in Irish Media but that the press can report on what was said in court in front of the jury. In other words we can access the same information the jury does and no more. My question is how soon can we discuss this case after the trial as follows:

1. Is it when the jury have been sent out for deliberations?
2. When the verdict by the jury has been returned to the court i.e. guilty or not guilty?
3. Only when the judge has given his sentence down.

There is a certain case at the moment and I'd like to know when to comment because I know these Boards are going to light up like a Christmas Tree as soon as it is legal.:eek:

humanji

I assume we all know which case you're talking about. As far as I know, it's when the case is fully over. That might include appeals, but not sure of that. At the very least it's when the sentence is handed now.

SEPT 23 1989

there will be a terrible backlash against the media when the green light is given

NachoBusiness

If this is about my being charged with fapping in Easons, then I would just like to say that a guilty verdict does not a guilty person make.

So light the place up like a Christmas tree all you like, I'll be ready.

Nodin

NachoBusiness wrote: »

If this is about my being charged with fapping in Easons, then I would just like to say that a guilty verdict does not a guilty person make.

So light the place up like a Christmas tree all you like, I'll be ready.

A man has urges and needs that the law doesn't account for, tis true.

Boom_Bap

NachoBusiness wrote: »

If this is about my being charged with fapping in Easons, then I would just like to say that a guilty verdict does not a guilty person make.

So light the place up like a Christmas tree all you like, I'll be ready.

Which section in Easons....stationary, fiction, fantasy?

oppenheimer1

There is nothing illegal about discussing an ongoing trial as long as you are not a participant in it, or as long as you don't say something which could prejudice the outcome. Papers strictly report the court proceedings and nothing else

An open forum is too risky for the site owners, so this is one instance where I don't mind the restriction.

mynamejeff

in that particular case as soon as the jury comes back in the case will be over one way or other .

the media circus has ensured that a retrial is impossible

whiskeyman

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

there will be a terrible backlash against the media when the green light is given

What makes you say that?
PM if you can't

porsche959

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

there will be a terrible backlash against the media when the green light is given

The way to effect change is via Parliament.

So just going to put this here.

eMail and contact addresses of TD's and Senators in the Dáil and Seanad

http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=138

floggg

Missymoohaa wrote: »

Hi

I know if a legal case is going through the courts it cannot be discussed in Irish Media but that the press can report on what was said in court in front of the jury. In other words we can access the same information the jury does and no more. My question is how soon can we discuss this case after the trial as follows:

1. Is it when the jury have been sent out for deliberations?
2. When the verdict by the jury has been returned to the court i.e. guilty or not guilty?
3. Only when the judge has given his sentence down.

There is a certain case at the moment and I'd like to know when to comment because I know these Boards are going to light up like a Christmas Tree as soon as it is legal.:eek:

Have you considered ways of entertaining yourself which don't involve gossiping and debating about what most be an incredibly difficult set of circumstances for those affected, and let them try to move on and rebuild their lives as best they can?

BeerWolf

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Which section in Easons....stationary, fiction, fantasy?

Children's... lock him up!

NachoBusiness

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Which section in Easons....stationary, fiction, fantasy?

Arts and Crafts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gg1Cm5WstI

harry Bailey esq

NachoBusiness wrote: »

If this is about my being charged with fapping in Easons, then I would just like to say that a guilty verdict does not a guilty person make

They frown upon that now? Ive been at that crack since my early teens
Another bit of old Ireland eroded

Nodin

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

They frown upon that now? Ive been at that crack since my early teens
Another bit of old Ireland eroded

Once you didn't shoot the load on the merchandise they never bothered ye before. I blame the EU.

MarkAnthony

Apparently this was was perfectly acceptable in Greece, you'd walk down the street and someone would be jerking off to the porn for sale on street stand. No wonder they all had glass cabinets - perhaps where self cleaning glass was invented?

rxan90

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Apparently this was was perfectly acceptable in Greece, you'd walk down the street and someone would be jerking off to the porn for sale on street stand. No wonder they all had glass cabinets - perhaps where self cleaning glass was invented?

I'm half Greek and used to live there for the first ten years of my life. Never saw that happening, thank god

anncoates

Short term forecast: large warm front of scurrility, sanctimony, voyeurism and faux-outrage approaching. Expected to break in coming days. Will eventually settle to a steady drizzle.

MarkAnthony

rxan90 wrote: »

I'm half Greek and used to live there for the first ten years of my life. Never saw that happening, thank god

It's one of those anecdotes that came (pardon the pun) 3rd hand (ooh matron) via my wife (okay enough now), from someone who married a greek and lived there for a number of years. Have to say I had a hard (...) time believing it.

LDN_Irish

NachoBusiness wrote: »

If this is about my being charged with fapping in Easons, then I would just like to say that a guilty verdict does not a guilty person make.

So light the place up like a Christmas tree all you like, I'll be ready.

Hopefully they don't print a pic of you, or everyone will be jalapeño ya face.

BBJBIG

porsche959 wrote: »

The way to effect change is via Parliament.

So just going to put this here.


http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=138

Yeah ! Roysch !
Loike they're a useful bunch of Kunts.
My right hand is more useful than that lot all put together.

All as they have done is Foooook everything up.
Oireland is run by a bunch of Foooookin Clowns for a bunch of Foooookin Clowns ... :mad:

FunLover18

MarkAnthony wrote:

No wonder they all had glass cabinets - perhaps where self cleaning glass was invented?

Those in glass cabinets ....

MrWalsh

floggg wrote: »

Have you considered ways of entertaining yourself which don't involve gossiping and debating about what most be an incredibly difficult set of circumstances for those affected, and let them try to move on and rebuild their lives as best they can?

On the contrary I think its extremely important we do talk about such matters - it might make someone think twice in the future.

To take a historical example, it was talking about the Kerry babies case that helped change how single mothers were viewed and treated by society in Ireland.

So yes, it is important that we talk about cases.

floggg

MrWalsh wrote: »

On the contrary I think its extremely important we do talk about such matters - it might make someone think twice in the future.

To take a historical example, it was talking about the Kerry babies case that helped change how single mothers were viewed and treated by society in Ireland.

So yes, it is important that we talk about cases.

Yes, because if I was thinking of killing somebody (for example), it would be the fear of a gleeful rehashing of my trial that would deter me rather than any criminal conviction and sentencing.

padd b1975

Missymoohaa wrote: »

Hi

I know if a legal case is going through the courts it cannot be discussed in Irish Media but that the press can report on what was said in court in front of the jury. In other words we can access the same information the jury does and no more. My question is how soon can we discuss this case after the trial as follows:

1. Is it when the jury have been sent out for deliberations?
2. When the verdict by the jury has been returned to the court i.e. guilty or not guilty?
3. Only when the judge has given his sentence down.

There is a certain case at the moment and I'd like to know when to comment because I know these Boards are going to light up like a Christmas Tree as soon as it is legal.:eek:

Start a blog.

MrWalsh

floggg wrote: »

Yes, because if I was thinking of killing somebody (for example), it would be the fear of a gleeful rehashing of my trial that would deter me rather than any criminal conviction and sentencing.

Ive never been an advocate of silence and/or censorship of certain subjects for discussion. A culture of secrecy only encourages evil to flourish.

Nforce

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Which section in Easons....stationary, fiction, fantasy?

DIY

floggg

MrWalsh wrote: »

Ive never been an advocate of silence and/or censorship of certain subjects for discussion. A culture of secrecy only encourages evil to flourish.

Declining to treat the grizzly details of a trial as some form of entertainment isn't a cult of secrecy - it's being a semi-decent person.

We all know what case the OP alludes to, and a boards discussion on it ain't going to achieve anything other than to cause further hurt and pain to any loved ones (on both sides) who may come across it.

There's doing justice in public and then there is taking a sick pleasure and gratification in pointless rehashings of a tragedy.

eviltwin

floggg wrote: »

Yes, because if I was thinking of killing somebody (for example), it would be the fear of a gleeful rehashing of my trial that would deter me rather than any criminal conviction and sentencing.

You're assuming people want to discuss it in some kind of voyeuristic way and I know being AH that will happen but its an important case. I am wondering if the person involved might now be looked into for other crimes that were previously assumed to be the work of another individual. If this person has done what they are accused of it does beg the question was this their only crime.

groovyg

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

there will be a terrible backlash against the media when the green light is given

Why will there be a terrible back lash against the media? This doesn't make sense.

AnonoBoy

groovyg wrote: »

Why will there be a terrible back lash against the media? This doesn't make sense.

I too don't understand this post.

MrWalsh

floggg wrote: »

Declining to treat the grizzly details of a trial as some form of entertainment isn't a cult of secrecy - it's being a semi-decent person.

We all know what case the OP alludes to, and a boards discussion on it ain't going to achieve anything other than to cause further hurt and pain to any loved ones (on both sides) who may come across it.

There's doing justice in public and then there is taking a sick pleasure and gratification in pointless rehashings of a tragedy.

The world we see is a reflection of ourselves.

I wasnt thinking about entertainment or pointless rehashing, I was thinking of valid debate.

FunLover18

To say things can never be discussed because people might get offended or because people affected might see is ridiculous. And to assume people just want to gossip is unfair. There are certain taboo issues raised by the case which are worthy of discussion.

floggg

eviltwin wrote: »

You're assuming people want to discuss it in some kind of voyeuristic way and I know being AH that will happen but its an important case. I am wondering if the person involved might now be looked into for other crimes that were previously assumed to be the work of another individual. If this person has done what they are accused of it does beg the question was this their only crime.

If he is, it won't be because somebody on AH thought he should be investigated.

There is no constructive reason to debate the case, but that stop people from doing so unfortunately.

MrWalsh

floggg wrote: »

There is no constructive reason to debate the case, but that stop people from doing so unfortunately.

Ah, I hadnt realised we were talking to the Judge of All That Is Allowed to be Discussed.

maxwell smart

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

there will be a terrible backlash against the media when the green light is given

Why?

Because of the water charges of course! It all goes back to the water charges. That and the lizards running this world of course.

eviltwin

floggg wrote: »

If he is, it won't be because somebody on AH thought he should be investigated.

There is no constructive reason to debate the case, but that stop people from doing so unfortunately.

We can talk about the case without being disrespectful to the victim and her family. We talk about all sorts of cases on AH that are current and in the news, why should this one be any different?

Boom_Bap

eviltwin wrote: »

We can talk about the case without being disrespectful to the victim and her family. We talk about all sorts of cases on AH that are current and in the news, why should this one be any different?

MOD: There is no specific case under discussion in this thread. Let's keep it that way

floggg

floggg wrote: »

Declining to treat the grizzly details of a trial as some form of entertainment isn't a cult of secrecy - it's being a semi-decent person.

We all know what case the OP alludes to, and a boards discussion on it ain't going to achieve anything other than to cause further hurt and pain to any loved ones (on both sides) who may come across it.

There's doing justice in public and then there is taking a sick pleasure and gratification in pointless rehashings of a tragedy.

I am not nesserley disagreeing with you, I would have some reservation about how some people are filmed outside the courts for example, but people often what to know why for example irrelevant personal information is brought up in court cases.

Court cases are healed in public that is what puts the information in the public domain in the first place.

maxwell smart

I know some people might not see the benefit for discussing a particular case here, after all it's not going to change the verdict or circumstances around it.

Some people will be interested in the case from a purely voyeuristic point.

But lots of people will have questions, questions that they can't answer. Questions about things that most of us find reprehensible and difficult to comprehend. And in reality Boards is a place where you can ask these questions, in relative anonymity, which you can't really ask people in work or in your social circle.
So maybe that is why people want to speak about various cases here, because they just can't quite get their head around the facts. Because to those people, those facts seem completely alien.

That is why some people want to discuss cases here, and really it does no harm to anyone as those variously effected in such cases will have the full details (even those we haven't heard about) in the papers as soon as the verdict is out (in this hypothetical case). And what will be in those papers will be so so much worse than what will be written here in Boards.

Kidchameleon

Why cant a mod put a warning in the first post along the lines "opinions are of individuals and not that of boards.ie" and so on and so forth. Then we could discuss anything no?

smash

Just because there's a media blackout, doesn't mean there should be a boards or any other forum blackout. It's an opinion board, not a news board.

Montroseee

smash wrote: »

Just because there's a media blackout, doesn't mean there should be a boards or any other forum blackout. It's an opinion board, not a news board.

People expressing 'opinions' on here could easily get the company sued.

humanji

I'm sure Dav or one of the staff would be able to explain the reasoning fully, but I think it's something to do with Boards being the publisher and therefore being responsible for the content. The view taken by the company is that it's better safe than sorry. They don't have the money to fight endless legal challenges, so they try not to get into situations where they might have to.

floggg

MrWalsh wrote: »

Ah, I hadnt realised we were talking to the Judge of All That Is Allowed to be Discussed.

And i hadn't realised I had the power to stop people posting what they like here. I've been wasting it for years.

Or perhaps just as you are free to give your opinion on whatever matters you like (subject to site T&Cs and the Charter), I'm also free to give my opinion on the utility of your discussion on said matters).

Hunterbiker

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Which section in Easons....stationary, fiction, fantasy?

Might have been D.I.Y...

Also there have been court cases where some Garda behaviour have been shown to be a complete shambles and for some of them to believe themselves above the law, that should be discussed in public and that the knowledge that there could be public disclosure is a deterrent.

Before anyone jumps on me I know the vast majority of Garda do a good job.

Boom_Bap

humanji wrote: »

I'm sure Dav or one of the staff would be able to explain the reasoning fully, but I think it's something to do with Boards being the publisher and therefore being responsible for the content. The view taken by the company is that it's better safe than sorry. They don't have the money to fight endless legal challenges, so they try not to get into situations where they might have to.

First rule in the AH charter
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63134781&postcount=2

Well...second really after 'not being a dick'

Sheep Lover

You can deny all you like but everyone just wants to hear the gory details, some because they are twisted in the head and others are just the usual "hang 'em high" brigade.

Zippie84

That awkward moment everybody's talking about something and you've no idea what's going on.

circadian

Zippie84 wrote: »

That awkward moment everybody's talking about something and you've no idea what's going on.

I'm on that boat. Can't wait for all this outrage though, the suspense is killing me!