Ryanair Board approves plan to commence TATL ops in 5 yrs

arubex

Not a service of which I intend to avail, but a few folk might...

Monday 16 March 2015 14.44 GMT

The Irish airline’s board has approved outline plans to fly between up to 14 European cities and the same number of US cities.

The services could start in four or five years’ time if the company can secure a deal to buy long-haul aircraft.

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2015/mar/16/ryanair-plans-to-offer-flights-between-europe-and-america

Didn't we chat about this previously? There was a thread discussing potential aircraft.

I reckon they'll just buy Norwegian International and their 787s and put that lot out of their misery.

syklops

As a big fan of Ryanair, I will definitely be availing of this service myself.

sully2010

arubex wrote: »

Not a service of which I intend to avail, but a few folk might...



http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2015/mar/16/ryanair-plans-to-offer-flights-between-europe-and-america

Didn't we chat about this previously? There was a thread discussing potential aircraft.

I reckon they'll just buy Norwegian International and their 787s and put that lot out of their misery.

This story has been re-hashed I don't know how many times over the years. Bit of free publicity for St.Patricks Day I suppose.

scudzilla

Here we go again :rolleyes:

EchoIndia

These services are always said to be several years away and to be dependent on a deal on aircraft being feasible (whatever that actually means).

billy few mates

Cheltenham finished, slow news week...

Must be that time of the year again.....yawn

As an aside, I hope they do so I can avail cheaper fares their competitors will offer following their arrival....

Peregrine

Any day now.. :pac:

zone 1

when i see a 787 or 767 on ryn livery ill believe it then...

who the fug

zone 1 wrote: »

when i see a 787 or 767 on ryn livery ill believe it then...

When the first flight arrives and then comes back is when I would believe it.

highlydebased

This time around some formal agreement seems to have come from the Ryanair board so not quite the same ol' news story...

zone 1

how many planes would they be looking at to start that trans.......

sully2010

I'll believe it when they put an aircraft order in. Irish times reporting they are in discussions with manufacturers. If its true bring it on, Id have no problem bringing a packed lunch, watch the iPad and have my knees a bit squashed for 6 hours for a dirt cheap flight to New York.

LXFlyer

Given that Ryanair is a plc and this is a formal board decision, this should carry more weight than previous utterances from Michael O'Leary, which did not really have any grounding.

The stock market would not take too kindly in being misled.

Jhcx

I cant really wait 5 years. for my first trip to america. In 5 years prices will probably have rised.

Tenger

As above this is merely an addition to the long running sage of the proposed RyanAtlantic. I have edited the thread title to reflect this update.

If and when they actually launch the operation,with a definite start date and/or widebody orders, then we can have a "Ryanair going Transatlantic" thread.

sailing

They were also in discussions about buying Chinese aircraft not so long ago.

I'd take this with a pinch of salt and will believe it when I see it. Keeps the share price up on a slow news day.

Peregrine

What's Comac up to these days? Does anyone know if the C919 is meant to have its first flight soon?

Tenger

From wiki:

The flight testbed was expected to enter final assembly in 2014, and perform its first flight sometime in 2015.[32] However, as of the 2014 Zhuhai Airshow, the first flight has been delayed to 2015, with the first delivery delayed to 2018.

sully2010

Nim wrote: »

What's Comac up to these days? Does anyone know if the C919 is meant to have its first flight soon?

Its a long way off delivery anyway(2018 originally 2014) Sure they have even got the ARJ-21 to customers yet. I think the Chinese are learning that aircraft building (or even cloning) isn't easy.

sjb25

sully2010 wrote: »

I'll believe it when they put an aircraft order in. Irish times reporting they are in discussions with manufacturers. If its true bring it on, Id have no problem bringing a packed lunch, watch the iPad and have my knees a bit squashed for 6 hours for a dirt cheap flight to New York.

Have to agree sully il avail of this legs squashed and all be grand but as said il believe it when it happens

Jhcx

What we need here is a Ryanair spokes person to shed the light exclusively to boards. Great pr for boards lol.

But the question is are they going to keep doing this every couple of months?

lord lucan

Jhcx wrote: »

What we need here is a Ryanair spokes person to shed the light exclusively to boards. Great pr for boards lol.

But the question is are they going to keep doing this every couple of months?

So long as the media jump on it every time and gets FR more column inches then they'll keep spinning it.

Cosmo Kramer

Would absolutely hate for this to happen. But it won't so I can rest easy.

Besides, if future projections of the Euro v the Dollar are to be believed, most Europeans won't be able to afford to go to the US in five years anyway.

sully2010

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Would absolutely hate for this to happen. But it won't so I can rest easy.

Besides, if future projections of the Euro v the Dollar are to be believed, most Europeans won't be able to afford to go to the US in five years anyway.

Care to explain why you would hate it?

Cosmo Kramer

It's a hard one to explain. I do like that it is so much cheaper and easier to get around Europe now because of airlines like Ryanair. But there's always been something a bit different about flying transatlantic, it feels more special somehow than short-haul hops to the UK and Spain and so on. I just think that if flying to New York became as cheap and easy as flying to Malaga the experience of transatlantic flying would lose something for me.

Like I said, it's hard to explain.

AMKC

sully2010 wrote: »

I'll believe it when they put an aircraft order in. Irish times reporting they are in discussions with manufacturers. If its true bring it on, Id have no problem bringing a packed lunch, watch the iPad and have my knees a bit squashed for 6 hours for a dirt cheap flight to New York.

Well at least not until you get off the plane and find out you have got DVT from having no leg room.Then you might change your mind but it might be too late then.

sully2010

AMKC wrote: »

Well at least not until you get off the plane and find out you have got DVT from having no leg room.Then you might change your mind but it might be too late then.

The reality is the legroom will be similar to what other airlines offer, the width of the seats on the other hand could be compromised if they do a 3-3-3 A330. DVT is not an issue if you do simple exercises or get up and walk around from time to time. Its been a while since I've heard a case of it too.

AMKC

zone 1 wrote: »

when i see a 787 or 767 on ryn livery ill believe it then...

If it ever does happen it won,t have Ryanair on it it will be named something else. Id say Ryanair are still raging that they never got to takeover Air-Lingus thankfully as they would have no doubt used Air-Lingus for this. Probably named it Air-Ryan or something like that.

murphaph

AMKC wrote: »

If it ever does happen it won,t have Ryanair on it it will be named something else.

Wut? Ryanair is one of the most recognised brands in Europe. Of course they will leverage their extremely strong brand recognition if/when they do launch TATL services. They would be mad not to.

trellheim

doesn't a 738 have etops range to do this say DUB-EWR or BOS for sure. what's the difference if they can use the existing fleet ?

billie1b

trellheim wrote: »

doesn't a 738 have etops range to do this say DUB-EWR or BOS for sure. what's the difference if they can use the existing fleet ?

The existing fleet would only be put forward for use if they re-configured the seating, it'd have to be brought down to about 130-135 configuration to make it work, that would be all economy class and with no option of cargo and in moderate weather.

Cessna_Pilot

AMKC wrote: »

If it ever does happen it won,t have Ryanair on it it will be named something else. Id say Ryanair are still raging that they never got to takeover Air-Lingus thankfully as they would have no doubt used Air-Lingus for this. Probably named it Air-Ryan or something like that.

I have nothing to contribute to this thread whatsoever but have to correct you on something. It's Aer Lingus.

trellheim

but they don't do cargo now ? they only have economy class now ?

billie1b

trellheim wrote: »

but they don't do cargo now ? they only have economy class now ?

Yes but to make transatlantic routes feasible you need a business class at least and cargo, its business/first class and cargo that make money on the transatlantic routes, economy doesn't even cover costs

man98

Only the 4th announcement of this of 2015! As stated above, TATL flying is special. Whether it's because you get the bells and whistles or because it's a long journey, it's just different IMO. Look at what Norwegian offer to LAX to see what I mean...

jimbis

I hope it doesn't get labeled Ryanatlantic. Just doesn't sound right at all.
What they have already is fine.

Jhcx

What's wrong with Ryanair or Ryanair international. What happens when they want to fly the pacific. Once they get USA they will want Canada and Mexico and Brazil then Dubai. USA is is only a small stepping stone to becoming an international company. Mol knows it and wants it but won't see it in his life time because the man knows how to run a business without running it into the ground. You don't get successful without making a couple of enemies . And you have to admire him for his use of the media and careful planning With mistakes only human. So what if it's another 5 more years at least he can set the stepping stones for his successor cause they will never be the mol that brought Ryanair to the top. But hopefully carry on the legacy that Ryanair strive to achieve.

arubex

man98 wrote: »

Only the 4th announcement of this of 2015!

Not really:

"Ryanair Chief Executive Michael O’Leary told reporters..."

"Michael O'Leary said that..."

"Last week, RyanAir CEO Michael O'Leary announced plans to offer ..."

versus

"The board of Ryanair Holdings PLC has approved plans to start offering a transatlantic service as part of the growth strategy"

That is very different to Mr O'Leary day-dreaming. Ryanair is now authorised to spend money outside the company on this project.

It's like Boeing hawking the Sonic Cruiser; they never actually obtained Board approval to launch the project which really undermined any confidence that they would proceed. When it was canned the money allocated for studies could be reallocated to another project, without contractual obligations to external companies.

skallywag

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

I just think that if flying to New York became as cheap and easy as flying to Malaga the experience of transatlantic flying would lose something for me.

I'm still not getting your point as to why you would 'hate it' if Ryanair are to launch such a service.

Are you imagining a scenario where no other long-haul carrier will exist in order to get to your destination of choice, and you are going to be somehow forced in the future to fly long-haul with Ryanair?

el tel

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Would absolutely hate for this to happen. But it won't so I can rest easy.

Besides, if future projections of the Euro v the Dollar are to be believed, most Europeans won't be able to afford to go to the US in five years anyway.

Hate?

Isn't another competing airline on trans atlantic routes possibly pushing fares down and offering more choice a good thing?

The destinations airports would be interesting, e.g. Kalamazoo (Ryanair parlance for Chicago or Detroit), or Fresno ("LA") ...

zone 1

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Would absolutely hate for this to happen. But it won't so I can rest easy.

Besides, if future projections of the Euro v the Dollar are to be believed, most Europeans won't be able to afford to go to the US in five years anyway.

well if it happens just dont fly with them simple....im sure MOL wont mind...

Cosmo Kramer

skallywag wrote: »

I'm still not getting your point as to why you would 'hate it' if Ryanair are to launch such a service.

Are you imagining a scenario where no other long-haul carrier will exist in order to get to your destination of choice, and you are going to be somehow forced in the future to fly long-haul with Ryanair?

Not quite. But if Ryanair ever did deliver truly low cost transatlantic travel, something like that could shake up an entire market to the extent that what we consider to be economy today could cease to exist with the options being a Ryanair type service (provided by either Ryanair or some other airline) or else a high cost Business Class level of service, which most people couldn't afford.

Just look at Aer Lingus' short haul product before and after the explosion of low cost airlines as an example of what I mean. There's virtually no difference between flying Aer Lingus and flying Ryanair on short haul these days.

Anyway, this article by Simon Calder gives a better idea of what such a service might be like.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/simon-calder/ryanair-to-offer-10-flights-to-the-us-dont-get-too-excited-10112507.html

As Calder points out the Aer Lingus transatlantic service is already something of a low cost operation (at least it has felt like it when I've flown with them). Ryanair's offering probably wouldn't actually be that much cheaper and would have the few extras that Aer Lingus throw in removed and replaced with baggage charges and buy on board meals, drinks and in-flight entertainment.

Personally, for the sake of £50 or £100 return, I'll stick with BA and KLM.

fr336

Tenger wrote: »

As above this is merely an addition to the long running sage of the proposed RyanAtlantic. I have edited the thread title to reflect this update.

Not sure I've heard them getting board approval for it before.

Tae laidir

Ryanair are the launch customer for the Boeing 737 Max, due in 2017.
They have 100 firm orders with 100 options - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders
The Range of a fully loaded 737 Max is 6704 Km - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Specifications
The distance between New York and Dublin (5200km), London (5600km) Berlin (6400km) are within range.
Westjet are already using a Current Gen Boeing 737 on their Dublin / Newfoundland route.
The media seem to have missed the point - Ryanair don't need to order any new wide-bodied aircraft.
They can use Next Gen narrow bodied aircraft.
The same aircraft will be able to fly Dublin - Stansted - New York - Berlin - Dublin.
Am I missing something?

sully2010

Tae laidir wrote: »

Ryanair are the launch customer for the Boeing 737 Max, due in 2017.
They have 100 firm orders with 100 options - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders
The Range of a fully loaded 737 Max is 6704 Km - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Specifications
The distance between New York and Dublin (5200km), London (5600km) Berlin (6400km) are within range.
Westjet are already using a Current Gen Boeing 737 on their Dublin / Newfoundland route.
The media seem to have missed the point - Ryanair don't need to order any new wide-bodied aircraft.
They can use Next Gen narrow bodied aircraft.
The same aircraft will be able to fly Dublin - Stansted - New York - Berlin - Dublin.
Am I missing something?

Yes their business plan is for widebody aircraft to accommodate economy, premium, business and cargo.

Cosmo Kramer

Nobody will fly transatlantic with the 737 successfully. Even if the new model has a longer range it would still struggle west-bound against the wind on those routes. Flyglobespan ran a 737 from Knock to JFK and Boston five times a week some years ago. The plane regularly had to make unscheduled stops in places like Keflavik and Gander as the airplane wasn't suited to the route.

The A321 Neo might have a chance and I could definitely see Aer Lingus trying those from Dublin in future (and Shannon if they're still based there at that point). But Ryanair don't have any orders in for those at the moment.

man98

Norwegian Long Haul have stated their intention to run 737 MAX out of DUB, but Ryanair will want standardisation of long haul. 787 size is best for this (IMO) as Ryanair will want to limit the slots it uses.

Tenger

fr336 wrote: »

Not sure I've heard them getting board approval for it before.

Which is why I changed the title to reflect that update rather than it being yet another "will FR go TATL" or "MoL announces the FR TATL plan" thread.


This is a move forward but is still not a definite development. "Approval" means that the business plan submitted to the board has been given the green light. Now we wait to see the first steps in implementing the plan. Perhaps they will start work immediately or perhaps it requires a trigger event.

JCX BXC

What the chances of Ryanair going into Amsterdam if this ever happens? Id imagine they could nearly destroy KLM with it.

billie1b

Carnacalla wrote: »

What the chances of Ryanair going into Amsterdam if this ever happens? Id imagine they could nearly destroy KLM with it.

They had a test flight for it in late 2014, not sure how it panned out

arubex

If they wait a few more months Air France will finish the job of destroying KLM.