Choice of SUV

REFLINE1

Hi all, have a choice of company car from following

Ford Kuga zetec 2.0TDI
Kia sportage 1.7D
Nissan quashqai
Hyundai Ix 35
VW tiguan 2.0TDI 110bhp
Mazda cx5
Toyota Rav4

Any opinions? Kind of leaning towards the Tiguan or Kuga.

Will be doing a decent amount of driving , and have 1 kid in family as well.

bazz26

I'd go with the Mazda CX5 myself. While there are still question marks over the long term reliability of Mazda Skyactive diesel engine, you don't have to worry about that side of it. It drives really well and is almost petrol like in character.

REFLINE1

Like The Tiguan, but boot size seems hardly bigger than a golf which i was suprised with.
Must look into the mazda more, hadn't really considered it to be fair.
Would the 110bhp be considered ok in the 2.0 Tiguan engine?
I amn't really into cars so its a bit foreign to me!

fabsoul

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd go with the Mazda CX5 myself. While there are still question marks over the long term reliability of Mazda Skyactive diesel engine, you don't have to worry about that side of it. It drives really well and is almost petrol like in character.

+1 on this had one for over 2 years great drive

colm_mcm

Of those I'd have the Mazda

I took the liberty of adding a poll

bazz26

VW Tiguan is old at this stage, hasn't really changed all that much since 2008.

AMKC

I really like the new Kugas but they are not so good economy wise. I would have the CX5 its different and there is not too many of them about. The Sportage is a good car too do and does has good mpg figures.They are everywhere do just like the Quashqui. I know someone who has one and they are getting better mpg figures from the Sportage than they did from the 1.6tdi CMax that they had before it. The Tiguan is a real school run mammys car.

arthur daly

Vw or Toyota possibly ford the rest are really scrap with big wheels,

colm_mcm

Informed post there...

arthur daly

It's like comparing a bottle of midelton to a 15e bottle from lidl

R.O.R

Having driven them all, its got to be the Mazda.

For some reason the CX5 doesn't suffer with engine issues like the 6, so there's very little reason not to recommend it.

Interior isn't quite as good as European alternatives, but apart from that it's superior in most other areas.

Facelift model due any time now too with better radio, but might be going up in price a bit.

Dia1988

Would you consider the 2015 Freelander?

colm_mcm

Base model discovery sport is €37k though, a lot more than others

Duke O Smiley

Not to mention it looks like.....that

REFLINE1

thanks for all the replys.

Drove the VW,Hyundai , Mazda and Ford Kuga today.

Kuga and Mazda in the lead so far, very impressed in particular with the CX5, lovely looking car and a nice drive.

Dia1988

Interesting how in this poll the best selling SUV in this segment the Qashquai has only got 1 vote.

Zubeneschamali

Dia1988 wrote: »

Interesting how in this poll the best selling SUV in this segment the Qashquai has only got 1 vote.

Surely the Qashqai is only half the price of the others?

Let's have a look:

Kuga €29,995 - €46,855
CX5 €28,945 - €40,945
Qashquai - €24,495 - €34,995

OK, not half, but thousands cheaper. Not in the same class.

bazz26

The X-Trail is more of a rival to the others listed. The Qashqai is a bit smaller.

mhackett102

The standard of the new Kia Sportage is much improved compared to the old.
My father is changing his jeep, and he's stuck between choosing the Kuga, Sportage & Qashqai.

We found that the Qashqai engine isnt powerful enough, as it is only a 1.5 diesel..
The Kuga was okay, but the Sportage had everything he was looking for. The styling inside and out is great and the engine is economical.

I would definitely recommend the Sportage.

bazz26

There is a new Hyundai Tucson launched in the summer which will replace the ix35. There is also a new Sportage to be launched early next year.

colm_mcm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Surely the Qashqai is only half the price of the others?

Let's have a look:

Kuga €29,995 - €46,855
CX5 €28,945 - €40,945
Qashquai - €24,495 - €34,995

OK, not half, but thousands cheaper. Not in the same class.

Base qashqai is 1.2 petrol, spec a 2.0 diesel and it's a pricey as the rest.

Dia1988

colm_mcm wrote: »

Base qashqai is 1.2 petrol, spec a 2.0 diesel and it's a pricey as the rest.

There's no longer a 2.0 dci unit available, only a 1.5dci and 1.6dci.
The 1.6dci range topper SVE 4x4 is 34k, good value I tnink.

The Qashquai is in the same segment as the rest, which is the C-SUV range

The x-trail is now the replacement for the Qashquai+2

Zubeneschamali

colm_mcm wrote: »

Base qashqai is 1.2 petrol, spec a 2.0 diesel and it's a pricey as the rest.

If you consult the list prices in the bit of my post that you just quoted, you will see that the top CX5 is €6K more than the top Qashqai, while the dearest Kuga is €12K more.

Dia1988

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If you consult the list prices in the bit of my post that you just quoted, you will see that the top CX5 is €6K more than the top Qashqai, while the dearest Kuga is €12K more.

Where are you getting your prices from?

I just went onto Ford.ie and Maxda.ie and the rande topping Kuga 2.0tdci Titanium is 34k and the Cx5 range topping Platinum 2.2d manual is 35k.

The prices quoted are a way off even with delivery costs and metallic paint.

Zubeneschamali

Dia1988 wrote: »

the rande topping Kuga 2.0tdci Titanium is 34k and the Cx5 range topping Platinum 2.2d manual is 35k.

My apologies, I got those prices from carzone.ie, to save going to 3 different sites.

In fairness, the Ford website quotes €41K for the 5-door Titanium 2.0 TDCI Diesel 150 Euro 6 140 PowerShift 4WD, not €34K.

...and that doesn't include leather or metallic, adding €3K.

And a 175HP metallic CX-5 is €39,870 per Mazda's site, so both cheaper than Carzone says, but dearer than you think.

Munstermissy

I have the CX5 6 months now and love it. Really comfortable and handles really well. Plenty of poke, great pick up. I test drove the Rav and the Quashqai and they weren't a patch on the Mazda.

keysersoze1

mhackett102 wrote: »

The standard of the new Kia Sportage is much improved compared to the old.
My father is changing his jeep, and he's stuck between choosing the Kuga, Sportage & Qashqai.

We found that the Qashqai engine isnt powerful enough, as it is only a 1.5 diesel..
The Kuga was okay, but the Sportage had everything he was looking for. The styling inside and out is great and the engine is economical.

I would definitely recommend the Sportage.

Lad was telling me that its vw group that put the engines in the sportage .truth or bull****.either way i have noticed a good few 151 sportage around

bazz26

keysersoze1 wrote: »

Lad was telling me that its vw group that put the engines in the sportage .truth or bull****.either way i have noticed a good few 151 sportage around

It's bull. Kia and Hyundai being sister companies build their own engines.

REFLINE1

Thanks all for the replys, very helpful forum.
Think im going to go with the Mazda Cx5.

They through a curveball at me at last minute, giving me the option of a few 5dr saloons also, Insignia/Passat/Mazda 6/Octavia/Avenis also.

I like the passat but its the 1.6TDi version and i believe there a bit sluggish at that engine size.

bmwguy

Given the choice, I would choose the 5 door saloon over the SUV alternative any day, i.e Mazda 6 over CX5, Passat over Tiguan, Mondeo over Kuga. Generally they will be better specced at similar price levels, be slightly better on fuel and will definitely be a nicer drive. SUVs tend to just be an overpriced alternative. Unless you like the higher driving position or need an estate car for carrying certain items. In that case there is always the estate alternative......I am thinking of changing my 5 series to an estate but it will be the 5 series estate (tourer) I go for rather than X3 or X5 for the reasons above. Nice range of options you have though, there will be something in there you like

REFLINE1

bmwguy wrote: »

Given the choice, I would choose the 5 door saloon over the SUV alternative any day, i.e Mazda 6 over CX5, Passat over Tiguan, Mondeo over Kuga. Generally they will be better specced at similar price levels, be slightly better on fuel and will definitely be a nicer drive. SUVs tend to just be an overpriced alternative. Unless you like the higher driving position or need an estate car for carrying certain items. In that case there is always the estate alternative......I am thinking of changing my 5 series to an estate but it will be the 5 series estate (tourer) I go for rather than X3 or X5 for the reasons above. Nice range of options you have though, there will be something in there you like

ya i agree to a certain extent and would have been of the same mind set myself.
I took both the CX5 and the Mazda6 for a drive and was very impressed with how the CX5 handled and drove, didnt find a lot in it to be honest.

i do also like the the driving position though.

bazz26

If your only choice in conventional saloons is the entry level small engine then stick with the SUV choice ie CX-5.

REFLINE1

ya ive chosen the CX5 now so thanks for all advice.
The Mondeo 2.0L was available but i had to pay a contribution as it was classed as an upgrade for some reason even though the RP didn't suggest that.

Oafley Jones

REFLINE1 wrote: »

ya ive chosen the CX5 now so thanks for all advice.
The Mondeo 2.0L was available but i had to pay a contribution as it was classed as an upgrade for some reason even though the RP didn't suggest that.

Are you waiting on the facelift? Was told end of the month before they'd show up here.

REFLINE1

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Are you waiting on the facelift? Was told end of the month before they'd show up here.

It was the new version i was looking at in mazda Sandyford as far as i know.

Better check, im dealing through a third party at work in HR so not speaking to the Fleet company myself direct.

Oafley Jones

REFLINE1 wrote: »

It was the new version i was looking at in mazda Sandyford as far as i know.

Better check, im dealing through a third party at work in HR so not speaking to the Fleet company myself direct.

Electronic park brake on the new one. Will be going for a test drive when I get the chance. Also, really curious as to spec on platinum. Particularly the dynamic highbeams and if they're an option or not over here.

bazz26

The Platinum spec is fairly high for the class of car. I think adaptive Bi-xenon headlights are standard on that spec at the moment, it is on the 6 anyway. Facelifted CX-5 gets the redesigned dashboard and new LED headlights. The 6 is getting the same treatment soon too.

Will be considering a CX-5 when it's time to change myself too. It's really the only SUV out there at the moment that interests me.

Oafley Jones

bazz26 wrote: »

The Platinum spec is fairly high for the class of car. I think adaptive Bi-xenon headlights are standard on that spec at the moment, it is on the 6 anyway. Facelifted CX-5 gets the redesigned dashboard and new LED headlights. The 6 is getting the same treatment soon too.

Will be considering a CX-5 when it's time to change myself too. It's really the only SUV out there at the moment that interests me.

It's the new dynamic ones (high beams always on with blocking) are what interest me. I do know that in Australia's the new models top spec has got every electronic aid thrown in, can't imagine that being the case here.

bazz26

I remember looking at a 6 Platinum last year and it had adaptive high beams.

Have it in my 5 Series and it's great but can get caught out for a few seconds if there is a dip in the road ahead.

Oafley Jones

bazz26 wrote: »

I remember looking at a 6 Platinum last year and it had adaptive high beams.

Have it in my 5 Series and it's great but can get caught out for a few seconds if there is a dip in the road ahead.

Not what I'm talking about...

Only coming out now, called ALH by Mazda. Similar to Matrix beams on Audi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HHm3jSuD4

bazz26

Ah, got you now.

AMKC

Am surprised the Honda CRV has not been mentioned at all. It did look at bit odd and oqward especially from the side view before its revamp but the revamped version actually looks very nice now. They have have made it much better looking at the front and the side as well. It is a very classy looking SUV. It also now comes with a 1.6 diesel as well as the 2.0litre version.

Oafley Jones

AMKC wrote: »

Am surprised the Honda CRV has not been mentioned at all. It did look at bit odd and oqward especially from the side view before its revamp but the revamped version actually looks very nice now. They have have made it much better looking at the front and the side as well. It is a very classy looking SUV. It also now comes with a 1.6 diesel as well as the 2.0litre version.

I really like the look of them. Expensive though - 47k for the top model vs 40k for the CX-5. Isn't it only the 1.6 in Ireland?

Dia1988

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I really like the look of them. Expensive though - 47k for the top model vs 40k for the CX-5. Isn't it only the 1.6 in Ireland?

Yes and the interest credit rate for the PCP payments is 7.9% fot the C-rv.
But 4.9% for the Civic.
No wonder Hondas are not as popular as other marques given these extortionate interest rates.

Oafley Jones

Dia1988 wrote: »

Yes and the interest credit rate for the PCP payments is 7.9% fot the C-rv.
But 4.9% for the Civic.
No wonder Hondas are not as popular as other marques given these extortionate interest rates.

Same as Mazda. Still a lot cheaper than I'd (non PCP obviously) get from my bank.