The one thing i want I cant have

LegacyUser

This is the most ridiculous, first world problem, and feels stupid even writing it, im hoping for some words of wisdom from someone to make me cop on or set me in the right direction

Basically, all I have ever wanted was to live in New York, for as far back as I can remember. It always seemed impossible, with visas and work restrictions in the USA i thought it just wasn't something that I could ever have.
However, lately I have been noticing a couple of people I know moving there and getting good jobs and living the life I want and it has pushed me into a really dark place where I don't understand why I cant have this. I'm not as smart as those people so my college results may not be the best and I'm not rich and I don't see another way of getting there. I have my college qualifications and I am extremely hard working. I Moved away to Vancouver two years ago and have been working away and I like it but its not where I want to be long term. I will be moving back in Ireland in May and I'm ok with leaving Vancouver, I feel ready, but I know for certain that city life is where I want to be. I know I can get a job in Dublin, or even London but I think in the back of my head its never going to be good enough.
I have applied for the greencard lottery the last 4 years and been unsuccessful. Obviously I will keep trying but dont want to get my hopes up.

I understand this is a really trivial problem and people will think I need to cop on. Thats ok. But the darkness it brings when I know I cant get this is what is scaring me.
When I see someone else getting what I want so bad I honestly feel like I want to sleep and never wake up out of pure frustration. If someone could offer some opinions on how to over come this I would much appreciate it.

Thank you for reading

Littlekittylou

Try and get a job with an American company and try for a transfer??

Recognition Scene

It can be done (I've been in the US 5+ years myself) but primarily in STEM type roles. What line of work are you in?

Turtwig

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

This is the most ridiculous, first world problem, and feels stupid even writing ,
....
I understand this is a really trivial problem and people will think I need to cop on.

Our feelings are rarely rational. If they were life would sure be a lot easier. So no I don't think you need to cop on. I think you do need to stop being harsh on yourself. Be nice! Something upsets you. That's not stupid. That's human.

Regarding your dilemma. The solution to me seems to be consulting a career advisor with the specific goal of a career in the new York area. There is surely path of transference that you can take that someday will lead you to New York.

For now though the most important thing is being happy. So don't be harsh on yourself for not reaching a dream. The feeling of a shattered dream always hurt. The thing I'd like to ask you though is:
Is that dream actually shattered?
Maybe I'm too naive but I'd always say as long as you're alive and healthy a dream is never shattered; it is at worst only postponed.

custom_build

Have you been to New York? Its not like it is in the movies. Maybe a holiday there might change your mind.

MagicMarker

custom_build wrote: »

Its not like it is in the movies.

I've been, and it's exactly like it is in the movies...

MrWalsh

custom_build wrote: »

Have you been to New York? Its not like it is in the movies. Maybe a holiday there might change your mind.

+1
It's nothing like the movies at all. But I think you should definitely try to try it out, see can you get there for a short period of time.

dudara

Posters - stay on topic please

dudara

DoozerT6

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/quitting-new-york-grad-school

^^ Here's one woman's perspective on fulfilling her life-long dream.

If you haven't spent any time there already, you should definitely go for a holiday first, perhaps spend a week there before you come home in May? Try and talk to some real New Yorkers about what it's like to actually live there - cab drivers, shopkeepers, the staff at your hotel...try to gain a real perspective outside of the tourist bubble.

baby and crumble

there are other ways to get to work in New York than the green card lottery. Depending on your age you can get different types of visas. Start looking at jobs in your field and apply for everything you're qualified for and even ones your not. My friend got a 3 year visa for a job in New Jersey which is close enough!!! You ever know if you don't try. You can apply for jobs anywhere in the world and once you get past a certain point your education matters less and less (but you still have the qualifications, doesn't matter how you got them) and its your work experience and ethic that gets you work. Lots of places will sponsor a visa for the right candidate.

LegacyUser

OP here, firstly thanks for the non judgement and not telling me to get over it! (as people have)

To answer your questions, yes I have been, a couple of times and loved every second of it. Yes the people are super rude and its non stop hectic but that's what I love. I don't need to live there until I'm old and grey but even just a year or two to get it out of my system is what I want. Im 28

My qualifications are in business and computers, I have no idea how to go about applying and I cant imagine anyone would notice me with all the millions of Americans who could easily do any job that I could do. I don't stand out at all

beks101

NYC is probably my favourite place on the planet but in a million years I'd never want to live there. Great for a few weeks, an entirely different scenario on a longterm basis.

The prices, the crowds, the queues, the noise, the pollution, the commutes, the 24/7 work clock, the poverty, the shocking health system....living anywhere within a 25 mile radius of the parts you've likely fallen in love with OP is next to impossible if you're not a millionaire and your life would be divided into working and commuting.

That said there are options and you'd probably feel a lot better about things if you were actually being proactive rather than feeling miserable because it hasn't happened. Invest in a career advisor, meet with an immigration lawyer, start applying for jobs in your field, start networking with recruiters and employers in American companies, talk to these friends of yours who are in NYC about how they got there and how their Irish friends got there. Research, make calls, meet people.

I know tonnes and tonnes of Irish in the States. Some got work transfers, some went on year-long visas and ended up staying, some married Americans, some studied and stuck around after, there are loads of possibilities. You just have to do your research and figure out what might be possible for you.

BlueFairy

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

My qualifications are in business and computers, I have no idea how to go about applying and I cant imagine anyone would notice me with all the millions of Americans who could easily do any job that I could do. I don't stand out at all

OP this attitude will never get you to your dream! Have you even tried to figure out what you'd have to do to get there aside from the lottery? I'm sure there are many routes to it.

Why don't you get on Google and start finding out what you'd have to do to make it happen. Computing professionals are in demand all over the world, why don't you look at what kind of skills are required over there and start building up the extra things that will make you more hireable? Start looking for companies who hire international professionals, get networking and get to know them.

If you know several people who've managed to find work over there, then why don't you get in touch with them and find out how they did it? I'm sure there must be forums online where people ask and chat about this stuff. Go to reddit.com, there are thousands and thousands of users from all over the world and I'm sure there must be some subs there that deal with working in the US.

I have a friend who is determined to go live in Australia. They're past the age for working holiday visas so it's not easy for them. But they've spent the last year and a half researching, thinking, planning, googling, chatting to others, finding every possible chink in the armour to get there! And lo and behold, they've found a viable path and they're almost ready to book their tickets to fly there this summer.

Come on OP, is this really a dream or is it just something you've allowed yourself to have a hangup about? If you really want it, you'll work hard and do what's required to get there. Dreams don't happen overnight (if you'll excuse the ridiculous pun), but the journey to achieving them is a big part of the experience.

Lollipops23

OP have you been to Toronto? I'm there now and love it. Like you, I adore NYC and the hustle and bustle-but I doubt I'd want to live there longterm.

I found TO to be a lot like NY in some respects; it has a buzz about it and a really great social scene. Plus it's a lot closer to NYC than Vancouver, so easier to pop down as often as you want

iusedtoknow

getting the US is hard but not impossible.

I got there by chance to be honest - I saw a job on my internal job board, applied and they sponsored our visa. Now we're getting out green cards in the next couple of weeks and we're settled here - though I doubt we'll live west coast or San Francisco forever - it's pretty far Europe (as I'm sure you know)

There are unfortunately few ways to get here easily. There are no "self sponsoring" visas to the USA. The cost for a visa for a company is usually around 10k, so they have to be sure there is no one inside the country that they can hire firsts. H1 visas are apply/lottery situation. The company needs to lodge the application on your behalf by 1st April to be activated in October. L1 visa you need to have been working for the company in europe for at least 1 year and be a subject matter expert in your field.

Other options are marriage (but it is pretty strict and getting visa/greencard on this is pretty difficult and can take some time) or green card lottery.

It is not out of reach but will take a lot of effort and every avenue to be explored.

Good Luck!

Celly Smunt

OP I know you probably won't take my advice as something you want to hear but honestly,as somebody who has worked in New York I can do nothing more than advise you to look elsewhere. Nobody who works in New York wants to work there unless you are a CEO or in some really interesting role where by New York is the only place to be. Your career WILL stagnate in New York unless you have some very specialist role as the place is a magnet for people dreaming the same dream as you.

You will live in a ****-hole paying enormous rents for the privilege.
You will be earning small wages compared to other cities because of competition.
You will be paying crazy amounts on food and drink.
Nights out will be an absolute luxury unless you count going to your local and having two drinks.
Transport will kill you commuting.
The attitude of the people (who also dont want to be there) will wear down on you and you'll be a grumpy 30 something year old man.

I agree with the Toronto option, its an amazing city full of everything that is good about New York with far more opportunity. You will have a much higher living standard than New York.

LegacyUser

Thanks everyone for the replies. To answer some questions, I have looked into it best I can and asked some friends who are there. Two are there interning, one doesn't get paid and her parents help her out along with savings she brought, she is there for a year. The other gets paid and is coming to the end of her year there. The other person I know worked for Bruceshaw in dublin and got a transfer.

Unfortunately the interning is only for recent graduates so I don't fit the criteria. I have however asked USIT about other options and they said because a business degree was too broad that I may not be able to apply for that one and asked me to call in when I move home.
I also plan to apply for jobs with American companies when I am home in both London and Dublin and see if anything could eventually come from that. So I am being as proactiv as I can be.

With regards Toronto I lived there for the first 8 months I was in Canada, nice city but not at all like New York, anyway its just not where I want to be. And If i was settling for somewhere I would go to London

I guess I feel like if I was giving the opportunity to work there I would appreciate it so much and feel annoyed that other people have been able to do it so easily. I always think that what is ment for you will happen but this just feels like it never will.

I didnt think just applying for jobs would be an option since I don't have any paper work to just up and work there that simply.

Believe me I wish I didn't want this so much. Ive considered going back to college to do the intern visa, that is something I am considering.

Tiddlypeeps

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

Believe me I wish I didn't want this so much. Ive considered going back to college to do the intern visa, that is something I am considering.

If you are willing to go back to college then why not just retrain into a sought after field. Search what jobs are in high demand and train in that field. I know software engineering is in high demand pretty much everywhere because that's my field, but I'm sure there are lots of other areas in demand too so you should have choices.

You will likely need a few years experience before someone will sponsor you if you go down that road. You seem keen on London too so you could get a few years experience there and then you'd have a much easier time finding someone in NY to sponsor you.

It's a long road, but if it's what you really want it's certainly attainable.

Big Bag of Chips

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I guess I feel like if I was giving the opportunity to work there I would appreciate it so much and feel annoyed that other people have been able to do it so easily. I always think that what is ment for you will happen but this just feels like it never will.

Nobody is going to give you the opportunity. Nobody is going to approach you and offer you a job in New York. All this talk of "what is meant for you...."? Ending up living and working in New York isn't one of those things. It's not going to fall into your lap. You are the one that is meant to make it happen. Then if it doesn't happen at least you tried. But you have to at least try.

I didnt think just applying for jobs would be an option since I don't have any paper work to just up and work there that simply.

Have you looked into it? You said you didn't "think" it was an option. How do others get there? How do others sort out their paper work?

Believe me I wish I didn't want this so much. Ive considered going back to college to do the intern visa, that is something I am considering.

Apart from wanting it so much, what have you practically done to make it happen? What steps have you taken that didn't work out? You mentioned the green card lottery. Is that all you've really, practically done? Have you gone to the embassy where you are to get more information?

Sitting wistfully dreaming is a lovely pastime. If you want something to actually happen though you need to be more proactive than you have been.

iusedtoknow

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I guess I feel like if I was giving the opportunity to work there I would appreciate it so much and feel annoyed that other people have been able to do it so easily. I always think that what is ment for you will happen but this just feels like it never will.

So I moved to the US 6 years into my career. That was 6 years of starting on service desk, moving to Spain and working crazy hours, being made redundant, moving to a new city, working less crazy hours but in a highly technical environment.
The last six months in Spain was spent filling out form after form for the lawyers, attending interviews with the affiliate in the US, countless hours spent on the phone with the lawyers, waiting for what seemed like weeks for them to finish interviewing american candidates for my job, then waiting for the Department of labor to approve my role before waiting for the visa to be applied for, attending interviews at the embassy. Then working US hours from Spain while my wife tried frantically to finish her required time to finally be called Doctor. Then moving, my wife having to fly back to Spain after 3 weeks while her EAD was put into place, and her working 48 hour shifts at a hospital while studying for her California medical license so she could work ASAP

it was all THAT easy.


Nothing is meant for you in this life - you make things happen yourself. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't. A colleague of mine who moved around the same time got turned down for his green card last month. It wasn't " not meant to be" - he just didn't have the correct skill set that allowed him to get his papers. It was that simple.

You need to start looking the US labor market, see what the trends are - perhaps spend sometime with US firms in Ireland to see what their needs are and put in your time with them, and then after a year or so - apply for jobs.

Leaving it up to the gods of fate or fortune will leave you disappointed - you need to start looking at this as a medium/longterm project.

rondog

Hi OP,

My cousin had and to some extent still has your dream.
She got a job transfer to NY with her job and as other posters have mentioned it is a different world there.
She loved the social scene in Ireland and loved the pace of life here but wanted more.
She is now living 1.45 hours from work and so commutes over 3 hours each day as thats where she can afford to live.
She is expected to work.....PERIOD!. Weekends,11 at night and be back inthe office at 7am the next morning.

NY is predominantly a business city.Some people are fake and will only associate with others they deem are useful or a worthy network contact.

Her social life now is fairly non existant.Everyone has the dream that if you work hard you will make it....not true.

I know of other people who are very talented and work their butts off and after a certain amount of time just had to hold up their hands and say enough is enough.

Not everyone can achieve the american dream.

syklops

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

Thanks everyone for the replies. To answer some questions, I have looked into it best I can and asked some friends who are there. Two are there interning, one doesn't get paid and her parents help her out along with savings she brought, she is there for a year. The other gets paid and is coming to the end of her year there. The other person I know worked for Bruceshaw in dublin and got a transfer.

Unfortunately the interning is only for recent graduates so I don't fit the criteria. I have however asked USIT about other options and they said because a business degree was too broad that I may not be able to apply for that one and asked me to call in when I move home.
I also plan to apply for jobs with American companies when I am home in both London and Dublin and see if anything could eventually come from that. So I am being as proactiv as I can be.

With regards Toronto I lived there for the first 8 months I was in Canada, nice city but not at all like New York, anyway its just not where I want to be. And If i was settling for somewhere I would go to London

I guess I feel like if I was giving the opportunity to work there I would appreciate it so much and feel annoyed that other people have been able to do it so easily. I always think that what is ment for you will happen but this just feels like it never will.

I didnt think just applying for jobs would be an option since I don't have any paper work to just up and work there that simply.

Believe me I wish I didn't want this so much. Ive considered going back to college to do the intern visa, that is something I am considering.

What field do you work in?

If you want to live in New York, get a job and move there. I know some people are saying its not all its cracked up to be, but in honesty, where is?

I'd agree, its not like in the movies, its a lot friendlier than I was expecting the first time. Bruce Willis was afraid of being killed when he walked through Harlem in Die Hard with a vengeance. I've wandered around there several times and met normal folks going about their business and nothing more.

Its one of my favourite cities, and the heart wants what it wants. If your heart wants to live in NY, then get busy tryin'.

...She is now living 1.45 hours from work and so commutes over 3 hours each day as thats where she can afford to live.

I live in Dublin and Im in that situation.

She is expected to work.....PERIOD!. Weekends,11 at night and be back inthe office at 7am the next morning.

Same here. In Dublin.

Some people are fake and will only associate with others they deem are useful or a worthy network contact.

Also happens here.

Neyite

Mod:

syklops, asking someone to pm you on this forum is against the charter.

BD45

Ask yourself what's so great about New York? Do you think you've been brainwashed by how it's portrayed in the media? I'm sure New York is a wonderful place to live, if you're at the top. If you're on the bottom or even in the middle it might be awful.

syklops

Neyite wrote: »

Mod:

syklops, asking someone to pm you on this forum is against the charter.

Sorry Mod.

LegacyUser

OP can you afford to go to New York for 3 months? You can go on the visa wavier and take continuing education classes at most New York universities as long as you don't take over X amount of classes. Continuing ed classes aren't anywhere near as costly as full time courses. I did my degree in New York and my brother came over for a summer, he didn't qualify for a work visa so just came on visa wavier for 90 days and took classes connected to his area of study and it helped get a job in the states that supported his visa. Going to new york for a week or two on holiday is not the same as living there. You go in holiday mode and it's hard to see the realities of living there full time and you stick to mid town. Get out to Brooklyn and Queen as most likely thats were you'd end up living.

Go spend 90 days and really get a taste and use the time to make the right inquiries for what you need to get a full time job/position there.

Shelga

Hi OP, I understand where you're coming on, and I don't think it's a silly thing to want at all. The last year I've been almost fixated with moving to London- it's where my friends are and I have always loved the city. I already live in England. However, it's probably the worst city in the UK for my particular industry! Unlike nearly everything else it would seem :P Have you checked out what sort of jobs you could do in New York? Although, like me, it sounds like the location is more important than the job to you- chances of a good job in your field is an important one to consider. Would you really be happy not earning as much or progressing as much as you could elsewhere, just because you live in NYC? I realised that over time, this would probably affect my happiness.

What I have done is recognised that while it's not wrong or foolish to badly want something, it is dangerous to think that it's the only thing that could ever make you happy. Rarely is this the case. Also, there really are many negatives to living in megacities like these, and I choose to take these into account now. Honestly, up until maybe six months ago, I was all "lalalala! It won't matter because I'll be in London!" The negatives DO matter. Friends who like living there recognise that it's not the be all and end all.

I have an interview this week for a company in a different location that could be great for my career, and I choose to believe that this will also make me very happy. I really feel like having a positive outlook and being open-minded about all sorts of different opportunities is crucial. You have to get out of the singleminded box you've built for yourself ("only this one thing in the whole world will make me truly happy"), most likely it will only make you miserable.

Like another poster said, plan for NY in a medium to long term way, regarding networking and jobs in international companies etc. But accept that it almost certainly will not happen in the next few months- how can you maximise your happiness in those few months, without constantly looking ahead and at what you haven't done?

LegacyUser

Thanks again for the replies. I don't think changing my whole field is a very wise decision. My area business and computing seems to be a sought after profession in many big cities, when I suggested going back to college i was considering a H dip or Masters, though this is not really something I want to do

I don't expect anyone to GIVE me anything in life, that is why I am on here looking for some advise, maybe some options I have not come across yet.
What I said about it being easy. obviously I would never suggested it was THAT easy for everyone, I said it was easy for the people I know who went on an intern visa with their parents money to keep them going.

With regards the studying for three months.. thank you for this advise, this is exactly the kind of advise I was looking for, options, I could afford to go for 3 months so I am about to start looking this up now, thank you as I never heard of this

London is great, and it is probably where I will end up while I try get a job with an American company. London is my second option and being so close to home also would be great as I have only been home once since moving to Canada.

With regards getting a transfer, does anyone know if you simply apply for this within the company or wait for a position to become available ?

I understand its easy say I am not being proactiv because I am on boards looking for help, but that is part of being proactiv I would of thought because its giving me suggestions and new options. I dont expect anyone to have an answer to my problem, I guess I also just wanted to vent my frustration as life would be much easier if I wanted simplier things

LegacyUser

Your dream isn't foolish or unachievable, however, I really would question what you are actively doing to make it happen.

You need to make a budget, research jobs that are niche and may aid with getting you a work visa, and start figuring out how to make that happen (research, research and more research).

Look into American companies in Ireland with whom you could work and apply for a transfer (realistically 5 years working for them or more in Ireland first).

Start saving heavily - NY isn't cheap, obviously you won't be able to afford Manhattan, but unless you get a very very decent job, Brooklyn is out too. Queens is far less affordable than it was 10/15 years ago. Realistically, you'll end up living in the burbs in Jersey or further out. I really think you need to examine if that will match your dream. It's a long commute, not great for socialising, and far from a cosmopolitan environment.

I sound like I'm totally down on your dream. I'm really not, I do think that you aren't doing enough to make it happen though (sorry!), and that the reality of having an average job in NY state - as opposed to being able to live & work in NY City - could be very far from your dream. All I can say is research like mad and really work for your dream to happen.

gargargar

I was in a similar position to you about 12 years ago. I was working in Dublin but wanted to move to the US. I had one pal in worked in NY and was living in Jersey and he was saying good things. I also work in tech. Anyway I went to a UK jobs site and searched for roles in the US. There are companies who recruit for the US outside. I told them I was only interested in working in NY and wanted at least $100K.

Anyway one crowd lined up an interview. Did about two interviews and one tech one over the phone. They offered to sponsor me but only offered me 75k and wanted me to work in New Jersey. At the same time a pal of mine in Sydney offered me a job. Sponsorship and great money. I took that one and never regretted it. Sydney combines the 24hr city with amazing outdoor life. F*ckin' miles from Ireland though!

Faith

What kind of wage are you on in Canada? The cost of living is much higher in New York and the wages are similar. According to numbeo.com:

You would need around 6,679.26$ (8,471.31C$) in New York, NY to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 5,100.00C$ in Toronto (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Consumer Prices Including Rent Index. This comparison assumes net earnings (after income tax).

Consumer Prices in New York, NY are 33.53% higher than in Toronto
Consumer Prices Including Rent in New York, NY are 66.10% higher than in Toronto
Rent Prices in New York, NY are 127.91% higher than in Toronto
Restaurant Prices in New York, NY are 36.38% higher than in Toronto
Groceries Prices in New York, NY are 42.40% higher than in Toronto
Local Purchasing Power in New York, NY is 14.37% lower than in Toronto

So if you're on a low to middle wage in Canada, would you even be able to afford to live in New York? Could you afford to pay rent that's 127% higher than what you currently pay? Or would you be happy commuting 3 hours a day?

There's no point in moving to New York without a very well paid job lined up, IMO. You'll need to put serious effort into finding a job. You'll need to network like crazy, meet with recruiters, explore avenues you've never even considered (which I get is what you're looking to gain from this thread). A large organization like a bank or IT company is probably the easiest option for an international transfer. You'd probably find it easier to transfer if you were working in Canada than Europe, I'm guessing.

It's not an impossible dream, but it's certainly one that requires a huge amount of work. Best of luck with it.

LegacyUser

NY dream, or just existing? wrote: »

Your dream isn't foolish or unachievable, however, I really would question what you are actively doing to make it happen.

I'm not really sure why a few replies suggest I am doing nothing to help myself. I am here looking for advise not looking for an easy solution



With regards Sydney, Yes I understand other cities can work out, i think that#s why I came to Vancouver, but in the back of my mind I just want to be in New York. So no matter where I go I think I will still have New York in my system.

I understand the price is crazy and things are expensive, I don't want to be there for life, I just want to experience living there for a time while I am still young.

Regards Toronto, when I lived there for a few months I was getting paid 12 an hour, I moved to Vancouver Jan 2014 and I am getting 15 an hour here.

I am really just looking for different ways to go about it, it appears the getting work and looking for a transfer seems to be the best solution.
For anyone who has had a transfer, is it generally an ok process, if I was to get a position with an American company is it the done thing to just ask them for a transfer or do you need to wait for a position? Is there any companies in particular that do this often? Ive not known anyone to get a transfer with the exception of one guy. I know a few people who have worked for PWC who were about to transfer for a couple of months, which would also be ideal

Faith

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I'm not really sure why a few replies suggest I am doing nothing to help myself.

Because you haven't really told us what you have done, apart from filling in a form once a year for a lottery. It might be helpful to tell us what avenues you've already exhausted, and then you can get more targeted advice. For instance, have you retrained/ trained in a more specialist area? Have you met with a variety of recruiters? Have you networked with a wide variety of people in your field? Have you applied for any jobs or had any interviews with companies from New York? Have you gone to any conferences/trade shows/recruitment events etc where you've met people in your field that can help you out?

Is $15/hour an average salary for your field? After tax, that's less than CA$30,000 per annum, or US$23K. Going by here, a 1-bedroom apartment in New York City costs $2,640 per month. In a year, that's $31,680 - nearly $9K more than your current salary. Even if you shared with a partner, you'd be left with less than 7K to live on per year after rent.

I think you need to consider more than just how to get to New York. You need to consider how you'll afford it when you're there! Is retraining an option for you? Or have you transferrable skills that you could use in a more highly-paid role? You're going to need to be incredibly pro-active and motivated to make this happen

LegacyUser

Faith wrote: »

<Mod Snip> No need to repost the entire previous post.

I actually mentioned a few posts back what I have been trying to do. I'm on here trying to get some advise, some suggestions on different options one that may be possible for me. No amount of posts about expenses are going to deter me, sadly I have tried turn myself off the idea but it doesn't work.

I see numerous Irish bloggers have also been able to up and move to New York, what seems very easily. Is there some specific visa for people in that area of work?

I don't enjoy wanting something so badly and not having a clue how to get it, like I've had nights where I am up half the night reading blog after blog of how people were able to make the move and still not really knowing what I should do. Like its actually taking over my life, I posted this is the personal issues page for a reason. I'm totally at a loose end and frustrated over this and I am fed up feeling like its all pointless

iusedtoknow

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I actually mentioned a few posts back what I have been trying to do. I'm on here trying to get some advise, some suggestions on different options one that may be possible for me. No amount of posts about expenses are going to deter me, sadly I have tried turn myself off the idea but it doesn't work.

I see numerous Irish bloggers have also been able to up and move to New York, what seems very easily. Is there some specific visa for people in that area of work?

I really don't know what you're asking for tbh. There are no easy ways to make the move.

J1 grad scheme
H1b visa
L1 visa
O visa
Marry an American
Invest 500k
Green card lottery.

Those are your options, they are everyone else's options as well, and no amount to reading blogs will make it any easier.

Frankly, it sounds like you're obsessed on it, and it's clouding your judgement. Maybe once you get back to Ireland you'll get some clarity. Remember, Nyc, as great as it is is just a means to an end...not the end.

Faith

To preface, I'm not picking on you in the slightest here, but I imagine you'll interpret my posts in a negative way anyway. I've always wanted to move to California, so I do understand your frustration. However, there's a huge difference between what you've done and what you think you've done, and this is what's causing your current issues and frustrations. You think you're being proactive, but unless you're actually doing something, then reading the entire internet is still being passive.

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I have applied for the greencard lottery the last 4 years and been unsuccessful. Obviously I will keep trying but dont want to get my hopes up.

That's pretty passive, because you leave your fate in the hands of a lottery. It is something, though.

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

My qualifications are in business and computers, I have no idea how to go about applying and I cant imagine anyone would notice me with all the millions of Americans who could easily do any job that I could do. I don't stand out at all

This attitude will guarantee you won't get anywhere in New York. You need to be loud, brash, and confident. You need to network and send resumes that say "HEY! Look at me! I'm AMAZING and you need to have me. Let me tell you exactly why I'm the best candidate you've ever met!". Even if you don't feel that way, that's the attitude you need to project in a city like NYC.

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

To answer some questions, I have looked into it best I can and asked some friends who are there.

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I have however asked USIT about other options and they said because a business degree was too broad that I may not be able to apply for that one and asked me to call in when I move home.
I also plan to apply for jobs with American companies when I am home in both London and Dublin and see if anything could eventually come from that. So I am being as proactiv as I can be.

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I didnt think just applying for jobs would be an option since I don't have any paper work to just up and work there that simply.

These are all just vague plans, and are totally passive. Have you actually moved forward with anything as a result of these plans?

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

when I suggested going back to college i was considering a H dip or Masters, though this is not really something I want to do

Why not? One year's effort to get a one year reward? Sounds simple to me!

hardworkingandfrustrated wrote: »

I don't enjoy wanting something so badly and not having a clue how to get it, like I've had nights where I am up half the night reading blog after blog of how people were able to make the move and still not really knowing what I should do. Like its actually taking over my life, I posted this is the personal issues page for a reason. I'm totally at a loose end and frustrated over this and I am fed up feeling like its all pointless

You're fed up because you're not moving forward! You've had this dream for 4 years now? In that time, you could have retrained entirely or worked your way through a company to the point of transfer. Can you see that you're not actually being proactive? Unless you're actively working to get to get to NCY - rather than just reading and talking online - you're not being proactive.

You've been told several times now what you're options are. They're laid out clearly. It's up to you to follow a path now. Dreaming about it will drive you insane unless you take concrete steps to making it happen.

LegacyUser

Faith wrote: »

However, there's a huge difference between what you've done and what you think you've done, and this is what's causing your current issues and frustrations. You think you're being proactive, but unless you're actually doing something, then reading the entire internet is still being passive.


You've been told several times now what you're options are. They're laid out clearly. It's up to you to follow a path now. Dreaming about it will drive you insane unless you take concrete steps to making it happen.

The path I would prefer would be an internal transfer with work. From the beginning this is what I wanted. USIT told me about the the professional career training visa they offered but I knew my job at home would not qualify me, I quit, moved to Canada and got experience in my area I now have over a year professional experience in my area but USIT told me then that because my degree was Business that it was more of an umbrella degree and my experience may not qualify me!
I hope when I get home this summer to get myself some interviews with companies who have offices in the states, I actually have a connection in State Street who should be able to set me up with an interview, we have already talked about it. However I am not sure what companies exactly a move would be possible with. I believe a management role would be needed to make a transfer and If that was the case I would certainly get myself a qualification in management, its something I would like anyway.

I can see why its easy read a post and assume im not passionate about the move but I certainly am and right now im more frustrated than anything as I'm not very patient and waiting , not knowing what will happen is extremely annoying!

Thanks again for all replies

bee06

OP, any of the big investment banks would have options to transfer Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan etc and it wouldn't just be for management roles. You'd be better off being in London though. Make it known that you'd be open to relocation rather than waiting for a position in NY to come up.

LegacyUser

bee06 wrote: »

OP, any of the big investment banks would have options to transfer Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan etc and it wouldn't just be for management roles. You'd be better off being in London though. Make it known that you'd be open to relocation rather than waiting for a position in NY to come up.

Thank you very very much, I will definitely be applying to all those in London when I move home