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Apparently being gay is not genetic?

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  • 06-03-2015 5:36pm
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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭


    New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality

    Apparently being gay is not genetic (not there was ever proof of a gay gene) according to researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis. It’s caused by how genes are expressed by influences in the environment and this is called Epi-genetics.

    According to research Epi-genetic marks can affect hormone sensitivity while the fetus is in the womb. Epi-genetic marks can sit on DNA and effect how active or inactive it is. Because of this Epi-genetic marks can regulate how a fetus responds to testosterone. For a female fetus the Epi-genetic marks can protect against high levels of testosterone in the womb and for a male fetus Epi-genetic marks can help by up regulating receptors that bind to the hormone (ensuring normal fetal development even in the absence of high levels of testosterone).

    Normally the Epi-genetic marks are not passed from generation to generation but in the case of homosexuality these Epi-genetic marks can be passed from mother to son or father to daughter. So in the case of a male fetus this can lead to an under sensitivity to testosterone.

    Here is a link to an article if you want to read about it yourself:
    healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/

    To make it easier for some people to understand here is a link to a video with an explanation:
    youtube.com/watch?v=Uq5nmUTx6eI#t=99


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    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Hi poster with very little posts, I trust you and your youtube link completely.


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    bodice ripper
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    Good.

    Even if it were proven to be a choice, that shouldn't make it less valid.


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    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    probably some truth in it... but then, what about the likes of so-called "lipstick lesbians" or really masculine "bear" type gays who are "manlier" than some straight men? hardly lacking in either testosterone in the bears, or oestrogen in the lipstick lesbian?


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    Duggy747
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    My looks turn people gay :cool:










    Turn women gay, that is..... :(


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3wFHEm33Aw


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    RGDATA!
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    welcome to boards NZT73, are you interested in any subjects other than gay marriage?


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    dont bother wrote: »
    probably some truth in it... but then, what about the likes of so-called "lipstick lesbians" or really masculine "bear" type gays who are "manlier" than some straight men? hardly lacking in either testosterone in the bears, or oestrogen in the lipstick lesbian?

    It's probably more complicated.

    For example you can identical twins and yet one of them is straight and the other gay.


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Good.

    Even if it were proven to be a choice, that shouldn't make it less valid.

    The article is not about choice. The article suggests there are Epi marks passed from one generation to the other and from mother to son when they shouldn't be. The Epi marks affect your behaviour whether you make a choice or not.


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    Nodin
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    NZT73 wrote: »
    The article is not about choice. The article suggests there are Epi marks passed from one generation to the other and from mother to son when they shouldn't be. The Epi marks affect your behaviour whether you make a choice or not.


    Aha. And.................?


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    AlanS181824
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    Being gay is and always will be something you're born with, it isn't a choice.

    Oh and welcome to Boards!


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    Nodin wrote: »
    Aha. And.................?

    You're not very clever


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    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    NZT73 wrote: »
    You're not very clever


    Brilliant deduction. Now -
    The article is not about choice. The article suggests there are Epi marks passed
    from one generation to the other and from mother to son when they shouldn't be.
    The Epi marks affect your behaviour whether you make a choice or not.

    ...what's the significance?


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Being gay is and always will be something you're born with, it isn't a choice.

    Oh and welcome to Boards!

    I agree you are born with it.

    But the article suggests there are Epi marks passed on that shouldn't be passed that cause homosexuality


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    Menas
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Aha. And.................?

    And...the OP has joined boards and started two thread. This one (which I am still trying to work out the point of) and another one quoting some doctor about gay marriage.

    OP, who are you affiliated with?


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    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    NZT73 wrote: »
    I agree you are born with it.

    But the article suggests there are Epi marks passed on that shouldn't be passed that cause homosexuality

    But they are passed on (in some cases at least) so what, exactly, is your point....?


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    And...the OP has joined boards and started two thread. This one (which I am still trying to work out the point of) and another one quoting some doctor about gay marriage.

    OP, who are you affiliated with?

    I'm just a citizen mate


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    Jeez OP, 14 posts and all on the one topic. You need to broaden your horizons.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    NZT73 wrote: »
    I'm just a citizen mate

    Does your countries name start with the letter

    I

    and is it


    ON

    A

    island?


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    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    NZT73 wrote: »
    I'm just a citizen mate

    Obviously you are a very concerned citizen about the subject of gays. Why not just state your agenda and stop all this pussy footing around the subject?


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    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,211 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd rather see an actual genetic/epigenetic study with a large sample size, sound methodology and proper statistical analysis than a random Youtube link thank you very much. That goes double when said video consists of morons bleating in front of a camera.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    And...the OP has joined boards and started two thread. This one (which I am still trying to work out the point of) and another one quoting some doctor about gay marriage.

    OP, who are you affiliated with?

    The Iona Institute


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    hairyslug
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭hairyslug


    Does it really make a difference, really does someone being gay affect you in any way.

    And while we are here, touching on your other post, how does 2 people of same sex or opposite sex getting married affect your life.

    Or is it a case of "won't somebody think of the children?"


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    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    NZT73 wrote: »
    New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality

    Apparently being gay is not genetic (not there was ever proof of a gay gene) according to researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis. It’s caused by how genes are expressed by influences in the environment and this is called Epi-genetics.

    According to research Epi-genetic marks can affect hormone sensitivity while the fetus is in the womb. Epi-genetic marks can sit on DNA and effect how active or inactive it is. Because of this Epi-genetic marks can regulate how a fetus responds to testosterone. For a female fetus the Epi-genetic marks can protect against high levels of testosterone in the womb and for a male fetus Epi-genetic marks can help by up regulating receptors that bind to the hormone (ensuring normal fetal development even in the absence of high levels of testosterone).

    Normally the Epi-genetic marks are not passed from generation to generation but in the case of homosexuality these Epi-genetic marks can be passed from mother to son or father to daughter. So in the case of a male fetus this can lead to an under sensitivity to testosterone.

    Here is a link to an article if you want to read about it yourself:
    healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/

    To make it easier for some people to understand here is a link to a video with an explanation:
    youtube.com/watch?v=Uq5nmUTx6eI#t=99


    In other news.... Gay scientists have discovered the gene that makes people Catholics.


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    The Diabolical Monocle
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    Its caused by a swelling in the fabulous membrane, can be caused by being in proximity to retro clothes, antiques or glitter.


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    Icepick
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    NZT73 wrote: »
    I agree you are born with it.

    But the article suggests there are Epi marks passed on that shouldn't be passed that cause homosexuality
    Why shouldn't they be passed.


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    NZT73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭NZT73


    It's an interesting topic and you're going mad because it doesn't agree with you.

    It's funny how you claim to be about love and respect and rights until something comes along that you don't like.


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    conorh91
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    This thread is hilarious.

    People have been incorrectly inferring that the new research meant that homosexuality was a choice, or environmental, and not congenital.

    Everyone therefore rounds on the OP... "who are you affiliated with?!" etc

    Actually, the OP's post demonstrates that homosexuality is more likely to be congential, and not the outcome of the environment or choice, after birth.

    Time to row back a bit on the OP, geniuses.


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    Mint Aero
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    I think the gays shelter themselves a bit too much from discussions like this. I mean like it's probably an imbalance of a chemical or something in the brain that makes you gay. Like the rugby player who had a head injury then became gay and took up hairdressing. At the end of the day we're all just chemicals and I say imbalance because obviously it's not the balance of the majority if the gay people are in a minority percentage wise.

    The other explanation is "you're just born that way" which yes of course you are but why. Same way you'd ask why you'd have blue eyes for examples. There's a biological reason.


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    Lakefrio
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Good.

    Even if it were proven to be a choice, that shouldn't make it less valid.

    Why are you brining up the validity of homosexuality? No one questioned it's validity.


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    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Like the rugby player who had a head injury then became gay and took up hairdressing.

    Convenient..........


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