Sinn Féin received €12million in donations from US

Arsemageddon

LeeMajors wrote: »

How about Fine Gael having fundraising 'dinner's' in London?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffg-london-fundraiser-charges-100-for-dinner-with-taoiseach-1.1914655&ei=jeL9VPGuB-a07gbD8IDADQ&usg=AFQjCNFJsZeBWSHuhQn_1MP0Y44NPWDYXw


Or getting money from developers?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CD4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsscoops.org%2F%3Fp%3D291&ei=KeP9VMHpMMaE7gaproH4Bw&usg=AFQjCNF4Iv5BLhneFC7cypdCQNmHn0htrQ


All above board?

If you bothered to read my post I said I have a problem with any party being opaque about how they are funded and where their donations come from.

I never have and never will vote for FG, FF, PDs or whatever Lucinda & co. call themselves.

LeeMajors

Arsemageddon wrote: »

If you bothered to read my post I said I have a problem with any party being opaque about how they are funded and where their donations come from.

Jesus!
I only asked you a question.

Godge

LeeMajors wrote: »

How about Fine Gael having fundraising 'dinner's' in London?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffg-london-fundraiser-charges-100-for-dinner-with-taoiseach-1.1914655&ei=jeL9VPGuB-a07gbD8IDADQ&usg=AFQjCNFJsZeBWSHuhQn_1MP0Y44NPWDYXw

£100 a plate dinners are hardly going to raise much money.

If it is a decent meal and a couple of drinks thrown in, you are looking at more than half of that money going on costs, before you pay for the expenses of bringing over Ministers or whoever to speak at them.

LeeMajors wrote: »

Or getting money from developers?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CD4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsscoops.org%2F%3Fp%3D291&ei=KeP9VMHpMMaE7gaproH4Bw&usg=AFQjCNF4Iv5BLhneFC7cypdCQNmHn0htrQ


All above board?

All of that appears to be above board according to the regulations. I would like to see greater transparency, the €5000 disclosure limit may well be too high. However, there is nothing wrong with people in Ireland financially supporting political parties in Ireland, there should be a place for that in every democracy subject to rules, regulations and transparency. It is influence from outside a country that is suspect.

LeeMajors

Godge wrote: »

£100 a plate dinners are hardly going to raise much money.

If it is a decent meal and a couple of drinks thrown in, you are looking at more than half of that money going on costs, before you pay for the expenses of bringing over Ministers or whoever to speak at them.





All of that appears to be above board according to the regulations. I would like to see greater transparency, the €5000 disclosure limit may well be too high. However, there is nothing wrong with people in Ireland financially supporting political parties in Ireland, there should be a place for that in every democracy subject to rules, regulations and transparency. It is influence from outside a country that is suspect.

So, money from developers in Ireland is ok, as well as money from god knows who at dinner parties in London, as long as it's FG?

michael999999

LeeMajors wrote: »

So, money from developers in Ireland is ok, as well as money from god knows who at dinner parties in London, as long as it's FG?

Don't forget fine Gael sugar daddy Denis o Brien. And we know how he made he's money dont we?

But that's okay according to the government stooges on here!

expectationlost

LeeMajors wrote: »

How about Fine Gael having fundraising 'dinner's' in London?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffg-london-fundraiser-charges-100-for-dinner-with-taoiseach-1.1914655&ei=jeL9VPGuB-a07gbD8IDADQ&usg=AFQjCNFJsZeBWSHuhQn_1MP0Y44NPWDYXw


Or getting money from developers?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CD4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsscoops.org%2F%3Fp%3D291&ei=KeP9VMHpMMaE7gaproH4Bw&usg=AFQjCNF4Iv5BLhneFC7cypdCQNmHn0htrQ


All above board?

pretty much yes

expectationlost

Godge wrote: »

I believe it is wrong that political parties in the State are indirectly funded from abroad through being registered as a political party in another jurisdiction because that opens the opportunity for foreign influences on domestic politics. You can't prove my opinion right or wrong and I am fully entitled to hold it.

It is interesting that the response to date has only been to ask me to back it up or prove it illegal, when the only proof I need for my opinion is there in black and white. SF the party got funds from the USA.

Not one person has defended the SF fundraising on the basis that it is right and fair and proper that Irish political parties are funded by North American organisations. That says a lot.

I wonder whether SF is one party, probably is.

expectationlost

LeeMajors wrote: »

So, money from developers in Ireland is ok, as well as money from god knows who at dinner parties in London, as long as it's FG?

money from developers [that is allowable under sipoc rules]

god knows who, [Irish citizens], at dinner parties in London

LeeMajors

expectationlost wrote: »

money from developers [that is allowable under sipoc rules]

god knows who, [Irish citizens], at dinner parties in London

Have SF broken any of sipoc rules?

Leaving aside the debate about political parties raising money from outside Ireland, isn't it magnanimous of Americans to donate money to an Irish political party that is at best indifferent and at worst hostile to American political interests? And isn't it impressive that Sinn Féin can raise that kind of money even though it wants to govern on the basis of a foreign policy that is indifferent or hostile to the interests of the United States of America?

expectationlost

LeeMajors wrote: »

Have SF broken any of sipoc rules?

don't think so, no

expectationlost

Deleted User wrote: »

Leaving aside the debate about political parties raising money from outside Ireland, isn't it magnanimous of Americans to donate money to an Irish political party that is at best indifferent and at worst hostile to American political interests? And isn't it impressive that Sinn Féin can raise that kind of money even though it wants to govern on the basis of a foreign policy that is indifferent or hostile to the interests of the United States of America?

obviously there was an area where their interests over lap, Northern Ireland, I don't know how hostile SF is to American interest with the NI government working to decrease NI corporation tax.

For Reals

Godge wrote: »

It is influence from outside a country that is suspect.

Various groups donate to various parties. This Sinn Fein episode including some Hollywood actors is hardly at the level of lying to the electorate or bankrupting the country. Frankly, it's not much of a story. If there was no Hollywood connection it would have barely seen print.

expectationlost wrote: »

money from developers [that is allowable under sipoc rules]

god knows who, [Irish citizens], at dinner parties in London

People of Irish decent in the states? Or is it sinister simply because it's Sinn Fein?

As regards anyone asking if laws are being broken, it's par for the course. If people were locked up purely on public moral opinion Fianna Fail would be in a dark hole somewhere years ago with Fine Gael not far behind.

The whole thing smells of barrel scraping. I've not read every post but I assume the IRA and 'no policies' has already made the rounds.

Some on here make a concerted effort to stifle any talk of leaving the civil war parties aside for a term. I think it might help the country a great deal to in the least change the chancer gene pool for a government.

Son Of A Vidic

Lockstep wrote: »

Fairly interesting stuff: SF received large donations over the last two decades from a variety of sources, from unions to celebrities (Martin Sheen and Viggo Mortenson)

Not really sure what's so interesting about any party having an efficient fund raising machine. But for me, it does become interesting when a contributor ends up influencing the reigns of power. Unlike the likes of Fine Gael & Fianna Fáil who have previous form in this department. Sinn Féin don't since they have never been in government. So until then, we'll have to wait and see if they'll eventually join this exclusive & corrupt little club.

expectationlost

For Reals wrote: »

Various groups donate to various parties. This Sinn Fein episode including some Hollywood actors is hardly at the level of lying to the electorate or bankrupting the country. Frankly, it's not much of a story. If there was no Hollywood connection it would have barely seen print.



People of Irish decent in the states? Or is it sinister simply because it's Sinn Fein?

some could be but i don't think the American records make that distinction, we can't see donations from a NI perpective and any (recent) donations by Irish in the US are probably below the disclosure treshold.

Lockstep

Gotta love the Socialist Party's reaction to it.
Why is Big Business showering Sinn Féin with money?

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

obviously there was an area where their interests over lap, Northern Ireland, I don't know how hostile SF is to American interest with the NI government working to decrease NI corporation tax.

I was thinking more about how impressive it is that Sinn Féin can persuade Americans and American businesses to donate money while opposing the United States in the foreign policy arena.

Perhaps the notion of patriotism means very little to some people.

expectationlost

Deleted User wrote: »

I was thinking more about how impressive it is that Sinn Féin can persuade Americans and American businesses to donate money while opposing the United States in the foreign policy arena.

Perhaps the notion of patriotism means very little to some people.

again overriding interests at certain times, McGuinness and Kissinger post ceasefire



SF opposition to Americas foreign policy is limited too.

NI doesn't really have its own foreign policy but they were happy to invite US military contractors into the north for jobs in the guise of 'peace dividend' in association with the already existing Shorts company.

I doubt they'd really challenge them or stop military flights, if in government here.

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

I was thinking more about how impressive it is that Sinn Féin can persuade Americans and American businesses to donate money while opposing the United States in the foreign policy arena.

Perhaps the notion of patriotism means very little to some people.

I had no idea that patriotism was comprised of backing every decision made by one's Government regardless.

arthur daly

Lockstep wrote: »

Fairly interesting stuff: SF received large donations over the last two decades from a variety of sources, from unions to celebrities (Martin Sheen and Viggo Mortenson)

Source

All our fat little piggy builders and bankers pump cash into fg and the others and have done fir years with little media attention,not to mention they keep all records hidden away in a vault probably beside joans heart and enda balls

expectationlost

Fianna Fails and the rests turn now

US donors gave Fianna Fáil nearly $1.3 million
Donors to party between 1984 and 2000 included businessmen, clergy and unions
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-donors-gave-fianna-f%C3%A1il-nearly-1-3-million-1.2181640

other parties mentioned at bottom of article, any fundraising done abroad now, donations come from Irish Citizens

US arm was a relatively small part of Fianna Fáil fund-raising operation
American funding was small beer compared to activities in Ireland
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-arm-was-a-relatively-small-part-of-fianna-f%C3%A1il-fund-raising-operation-1.2181705

FreudianSlippers

Wow. $1.3m in 16 years really makes the $12m figure SF received look quite staggering. In 4 more years, SF raised almost 9.25 times more money from US donors.

michael999999

expectationlost wrote: »

Fianna Fails and the rests turn now

US donors gave Fianna Fáil nearly $1.3 million
Donors to party between 1984 and 2000 included businessmen, clergy and unions
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-donors-gave-fianna-f%C3%A1il-nearly-1-3-million-1.2181640

other parties mentioned at bottom of article, any fundraising done abroad now, donations come from Irish Citizens

US arm was a relatively small part of Fianna Fáil fund-raising operation
American funding was small beer compared to activities in Ireland
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-arm-was-a-relatively-small-part-of-fianna-f%C3%A1il-fund-raising-operation-1.2181705

That was the money they declared. I'd imagine the money collected by fianna fail is multiples of ten times that, all collected in big suitcases by a few of there bagmen.

Good loser

michael999999 wrote: »

That was the money they declared. I'd imagine the money collected by fianna fail is multiples of ten times that, all collected in big suitcases by a few of there bagmen.

Did Sinn Fein launder their money too?

joe912

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Wow. $1.3m in 16 years really makes the $12m figure SF received look quite staggering. In 4 more years, SF raised almost 9.25 times more money from US donors.

This is a sign of good things to come we can only imagine the billions of inward investment from America when sinn fein gets in to government

Jawgap

joe912 wrote: »

This is a sign of good things to come we can only imagine the billions of inward investment from America when sinn fein gets in to government

Yep, because execs in companies will be wooed by SF's tax policies - they'll be rushing to get here to pay wealth taxes and a third level of income tax.

tipptom

Good loser wrote: »

Did Sinn Fein launder their money too?

The Irish Times had a good go at trying to smear them with that in their 5 front pages article,more of the Irish media/establishment party's collusion to try and subvert a democratic state election by smear and innuendo.

johnnyskeleton

tipptom wrote: »

The Irish Times had a good go at trying to smear them with that in their 5 front pages article,more of the Irish media/establishment party's collusion to try and subvert a democratic state election by smear and innuendo.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that there is collusion between the Irish media and establishment parties that they are trying to subvert an election?

Or is it the case that an investigative journalist did some digging, found some dirt and published it? Surely if the Irish Times were biased in favour of "establishment party's" and against SF, they would never publish any criticism of the government?

Chips Lovell

Are they smearing Fianna Fail too by highlighting how much money they raised from the US?

blackwhite

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Do you have any evidence to suggest that there is collusion between the Irish media and establishment parties that they are trying to subvert an election?

Or is it the case that an investigative journalist did some digging, found some dirt and published it? Surely if the Irish Times were biased in favour of "establishment party's" and against SF, they would never publish any criticism of the government?

Surely you've learned how this works at this stage:

Investigative journalism targetting Sinn Féin = smear; newspaper is controlled by FG/FF/DOB/Lizard people

Investigative journalism targetting FF/FG/Labour = public interest/showing them for what they really are; printed in newspaper so it must be gospel.