Brock Lesnar: Will he? Won't he?

The White Feather

Brock Lesnar spotted at UFC184.

Of course that could mean anything!!!

rovert

https://twitter.com/Sholler_UFC/status/571871387020754944

Play that negotiation game Brock

A Primal Nut

Didn't he get in trouble for attending a UFC event around the time of his match with Triple H at Summerslam?

Nothing Vince can do now; Brock has an insane amount of leverage; ending the streak added to that.

The White Feather

Eat
Sleep
Do a few wrestling matches.
Attend UFC events
Collect money
Repeat

Rock Lesnar

Lesnar is dead right, get what you can when youv'e got the leverage, Vince would do the exact same thing.

I feel some lyrics from a certain coo theme song should sum that pic above up

Its all about the game, and how you play it
Its all about control and if you can take it.
Dont you forget theres a price you can pay, cos i am the game and i want to play.

Hashtag_HEEL

CM Punk once wanted to walk Sonnen to the octagon in Chicago and vince refused. Punk said it would've been great publicity if the current WWE champion showed up at the UFC. Vince said no.

Good man Brock, you have them over a barrel, now have fun with it.

veganrun

If Brock doesn't sign a new deal, I can see the main event being even more of a train wreck than I was expecting, similar to Lesnar v Goldberg at WM20.

The way Lesnar has destroyed people, I don't buy it that Reigns could beat him, at least not yet. I mean I don't even buy that he could beat the Undertaker for the streak, so we are supposed to buy it that he could beat the guy who beat Taker?

Its a shame as Reigns comes across as really likeable, he's just not ready yet.

rovert

Meltzer this morning said Brock and Vince had a screaming match. So loud people within ear shot were worried for Vince's health.

veganrun

Does Lesnar really have them over a barrel? If I were Vince and I thought someone was being unreasonable I'd let them leave.

But I guess that's why I'm not a multi-millionaire and he is

rovert

Brock is still under his current WWE contract WWE would sue the arse off him if he doesn't live up to it. If it is publicly known Brock is leaving then Reigns may be roundly cheered in the match or the crowd could boo them both like they did for Lesnar-Goldberg.

Lana and Rusev have gone public and have bought a nice gaff:
http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/01/wwe-lana-rusev-buy-home-together-new-house-photos-nashville/

Reebrock

Rocking the suit baby!

A Primal Nut

veganrun wrote: »

Does Lesnar really have them over a barrel? If I were Vince and I thought someone was being unreasonable I'd let them leave.

But I guess that's why I'm not a multi-millionaire and he is

They have so few main eventers and nobody else like him. So they really need him.

Uncle Walt

#screwjob2015

Lord TSC

rovert wrote: »

Brock is still under his current WWE contract WWE would sue the arse off him if he doesn't live up to it. If it is publicly known Brock is leaving then Reigns may be roundly cheered in the match or the crowd could boo them both like they did for Lesnar-Goldberg.

I would be more worried, if I was them, that the current era has fans backing the people making stands against WWE, both in Kayfabe (Bryan being cheered in spite of WWE wanting to lower his position) and out (Punk).

Brock leaving for greener pastures, in front of the smarkiest crowd of the year, up against the guy people have a resentment towards, could well make him he biggest baby face on the show.

rovert

Lord TSC wrote: »

I would be more worried, if I was them, that the current era has fans backing the people making stands against WWE, both in Kayfabe (Bryan being cheered in spite of WWE wanting to lower his position) and out (Punk).

Brock leaving for greener pastures, in front of the smarkiest crowd of the year, up against the guy people have a resentment towards, could well make him he biggest baby face on the show.

That's a fair point WWE are the heels these days. Also not to the degree of 5 years ago but UFC has street/internet cred especially with Punk in the fold.

Whosthis

Reigns pins Brock at Mania to be greeted by a deafening U F C chant for the departing Lesnar.



I really want to see a train wreck at Mania.

Agent Coulson

Brock to sign a new $1m a month contract with the WWE having only to make 3 apperances a month 2 Raws and 1 PPV or Brock signs with the UFC and makes $12m from a couple of fights in bounes wages etc.

veganrun

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Brock to sign a new $1m a month contract with the WWE having only to make 3 apperances a month 2 Raws and 1 PPV or Brock signs with the UFC and makes $12m from a couple of fights in bounes wages etc.

The WWE deal sounds better for some reason.

J. Marston

Uncle Walt wrote: »

#screwjob2015

Can Reigns even perform a submission?

Not knowing the figures involved but if I was Brock, I'd take the WWE deal. It's a cushy gig. Show up every few months, look mean on a few episodes of Raw while Heyman does the talking and then perform in a PPV match.

Insect Overlord

J. Marston wrote: »

Can Reigns even perform a submission?

Bear hug or sleeper hold. :P

Mr.Nice Guy

I'd love to know what Undertaker makes of all this given what happened last year at Mania.

Agent Coulson

An File wrote: »

Bear hug or sleeper hold. :P

I really want to see Rusev do a bear hug finisher now.

Agent Coulson

Dana White asked about Brock being at the fight last night.

He’s a fan of fights. He wanted to come watch the fights. When his contract is up with the WWE, he can come talk to me.

the groutch

J. Marston wrote: »

Can Reigns even perform a submission?

it never stopped Cena

Bandana boy

the groutch wrote: »

it never stopped Cena

Or the Rock ,Austin and Hogan

briany

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I'd love to know what Undertaker makes of all this given what happened last year at Mania.

Dropping the streak to Lesnar could maybe turn out to the biggest booking f*ck-up of the decade (at least) for WWE. You have to say that it was a gamble, to begin with, centering the build around a guy like Brock who isn't, and doesn't need to in any way, put up with WWE's s**t, and is mainly there for the money. I think Brock's the most believable guy they have on the roster by a very considerable distance and I had believed the news that he would be re-signing. Now, I don't know what to think. I don't wish bad on WWE but it seems like the only thing that will make them consider serious reform is being embroiled in scandal and general woe.

As for the Undertaker, didn't he originally want to drop the streak to Brock in a previous Wrestlemania? I'd say he was happy to do it at the time because he thought the rub was going to someone worthy, and I doubt he thinks about it all too much in his day-to-day. Professionally speaking, he may have a few choice words for Vince over the whole affair. I'd like for 'Taker come in and basically demand that Bray go over him this year and tell the WWE to stop relying on him for PPV buys or Network subs. The man's done enough for that company and should probably use what remains of his shine to elevate Bray Wyatt, who should stick around.

the groutch

think it was Angle he originally wanted to give the streak to

Rjd2

Pretty sure he wanted to give the streak to Kane as well.

briany

Rjd2 wrote: »

Pretty sure he wanted to give the streak to Kane as well.

I have to think you're talking about WM XIV here because Kane was (no pun intended) on fire at that time. At the same time that was pretty much before the streak was even a thing. Certainly dropping it at that time wouldn't have had that much gravitas. Angle would have been a better shout alright, although in hindsight Punk probably should have been the man. I don't think he would have walked if the WWE showed that kind of faith in him to carry that torch and given that rub.

Ageyev

the groutch wrote: »

think it was Angle he originally wanted to give the streak to

They tried to get the match years ago, that time Brock lost a UFC fight and Taker was cageside doing an interview. UFC didn't want Brock doing pro wrestling.

Moneymaker

Orton at 21 would have been my pick. It was actually believable too at the time.

gimmick

Split from the news thread. This is going to be a major topic for the next few weeks.

Garseys

UFC will offer a huge deal for Brock to sign with them. You've got the Frank Mir vs Lesnar fight ready if he does.

Stereomaniac

I will actually probably make more of an effort to follow his progress if he returns to UFC now.

Rjd2

Brock is awesome even if we only see him a few times a year, don't care what Vince has to do, pay the mercenary man what he wants.

gimmick

Poll added now as well.

ERG89

Please do this again Vince, you could take him :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:
Even he'd probably wobble Lesnar if he hit him tbf. :P :P

Loughc

I can't see Lesnar signing for anyone else other than UFC. It seems the last year has been buildng up to a Reigns/Lesnar payoff with creating a new star in Reigns.

If Lesnar was to stick around I'd fear without the title they wouldn't know what to do with him.

Lesnar/Mir is there for the taking at UFC, licence to print PPV buys, where the WWE is going to struggle with Reigns at the helm. It's a good time for him to bow out.

Rjd2

Yeah, love Brock, but once he loses to Reigns, what can be done with him?

Maybe a rematch but that is it really. His salary is a fortune which they may feel he does not justify especially with the Network still not a proven success, and cost cutting all over the place.

If the UFC are serious about him, they should be able to outbid the WWE for his services pretty easily.

Diabhal Beag

He's done it all in wrestling (again) but he hasn't made that comeback in UFC that has probably been eating at him since he got kicked in the diverticulitis by the roid monster called Alistair. He's made more money in a couple of years than most of us combined ever will and he's still be a box office draw in UFC. They won't pay WWE money though.

Mr.Nice Guy

briany wrote: »

Dropping the streak to Lesnar could maybe turn out to the biggest booking f*ck-up of the decade (at least) for WWE. You have to say that it was a gamble, to begin with, centering the build around a guy like Brock who isn't, and doesn't need to in any way, put up with WWE's s**t, and is mainly there for the money. I think Brock's the most believable guy they have on the roster by a very considerable distance and I had believed the news that he would be re-signing. Now, I don't know what to think. I don't wish bad on WWE but it seems like the only thing that will make them consider serious reform is being embroiled in scandal and general woe.

Yes, it could turn out to be a disaster if Lesnar and WWE part on bad terms.

If Brock leaves then it means WWE sacrificed the streak, the biggest accolade in wrestling, to a guy that used it to relaunch himself as a big time player in a rival organisation.

Add in the fact that Reigns beating Lesnar could very easily sink like a stone at the Mania show where most of the fans will likely be on his case, and the decision to end the streak to Lesnar could end up looking like a very bad judgement call with little benefit to WWE.

It would be easy to mock Vince if this happens, and perhaps it would be deserved, but the one I'd feel sorry for is Taker. The streak could have ended up as his enduring legacy in the business but might instead wind up as the enduring legacy of a guy who takes it to a different industry entirely.

Tugboats

No sympathy for WWE here they knew what they were doing by getting into bed with Brock

Lithium93_

Brock will be gone after Wrestlemania and the post Wrestlemania Raw, he's done it all in WWE, so why would he bother hanging around, and like Loughc said a few posts prior, Lesnar/Mir is there for the taking should Brock decided to return to UFC.

briany

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It would be easy to mock Vince if this happens, and perhaps it would be deserved, but the one I'd feel sorry for is Taker. The streak could have ended up as his enduring legacy in the business but might instead wind up as the enduring legacy of a guy who takes it to a different industry entirely.

I'd say 'Taker could be feeling fairly gutted, although being a true professional and company man he'd likely never show it. For me, his legacy in the business was sealed a long time ago.

There's a lot of Vince mockery about at the moment although few would likely say it to his face. According to that Muscle & Fitness article he's 69 years old, is 245 pounds of lean muscle with 5 percent body fat and benches 455, only sleeps 3 hours a day and works 7 days a week. As Scott Hall once put it, "The guy's an android" :pac:.

Now on the creative side, you could say the man's been out of touch for a very long time, since about the 90s really where he insisted on sticking to the cartoony gimmicks until WCW forced his hand. I don't believe Vince's strong point has ever been in the booking department really, but his most successful periods have always seen a great mind working underneath him from Patterson to Russo to Heyman, and even Gerwitz had his moments.

Firewalkwithme

Can you just imagine how bad it would be if they managed to keep him and then put him in a feud with Ryback?

briany

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

Can you just imagine how bad it would be if they managed to keep him and then put him in a feud with Ryback?

It's a good point that the only way for Brock if he did drop the belt and stick around, two big ifs, that the only way is down. He certainly can't go up anyway and I don't know if he's that interested in going side to side and feuding with the likes of Bryan, Wyatt or HHH. I suppose if you paid him enough money he'd do the job for just about anyone but I think Brock would want to spend the last of his prime really testing his mettle which won't, and can't, happen within WWE.

I don't know if letting him fight in the UFC is that bad of an idea either. If Brock was destroying guys in the UFC, imagine how much rub it would eventually give to the guy who beat him in WWE and it may have added UFC fans following WWE PPVs that Brock is on. Of course, that's presuming Brock would be winning his fights. It could backfire if he lost and his opponent started calling himself WWE champ or something, but, shur, Vince seems to like a gamble these days...

brianregan09

I'd love if Lesnar signed a new contract and absolutely battered Reigns like he did to Cena in that match last year , Can't remember which event but he german suplexed him about 20 times

Loughc

brianregan09 wrote: »

I'd love if Lesnar signed a new contract and absolutely battered Reigns like he did to Cena in that match last year , Can't remember which event but he german suplexed him about 20 times

Summerslam

Lithium93_

brianregan09 wrote: »

I'd love if Lesnar signed a new contract and absolutely battered Reigns like he did to Cena in that match last year , Can't remember which event but he german suplexed him about 20 times

Summerslam 2014, and it was 16 german suplexes to Cena, not that i was keeping count or anything.

kronsington

Love Brock and the aura and mystique they've created around him. I'd like to see more from him in the ring though. He uses very few moves compared from his debut bak in 02

A Primal Nut

According to Bryan Alvarez, there are people within WWE who believe it's a work so that the fans will think Lesnar is leaving and will boo him like they booed him and Goldberg in 2004 (and hence, cheer for Reigns).

If that's true it would backfire spectacularly. For one thing; the fans attitute towards people leaving is completely different now; look at Punk who is a hero to many fans after he stood up to WWE and walked out. Anyone who looks to be standing up to WWE is a hero these days.