Is TLOU a top 50 game or not?

Thepoet85

Going to start The Last Of Us tonight. Never played it on the PS3 and heard great things on this forum. Going to be hard to drag myself away from Fifa tho :pac:

Fakman87

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Going to start The Last Of Us tonight. Never played it on the PS3 and heard great things on this forum. Going to be hard to drag myself away from Fifa tho :pac:

You're in for a treat!

COYVB

Fakman87 wrote: »

You're in for a treat!

Or a massive disappointment, depending on how much you bought into the hype

tgdaly

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Going to start The Last Of Us tonight. Never played it on the PS3 and heard great things on this forum. Going to be hard to drag myself away from Fifa tho :pac:

Brilliant game, well worth your investment

DARK-KNIGHT

COYVB wrote: »

Or a massive disappointment, depending on how much you bought into the hype

?? The hype?

It is easily the best game is.have ever played.he is in for a treat that's for sure

COYVB

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

?? The hype?

It is easily the best game is.have ever played.he is in for a treat that's for sure

Yeah, the hype.

It's not even Naughty Dog's best PS3 game, never mind one of the best games ever

Grayditch

It's a fantastic game. Might not be as innovative as a Nintendo game, but it's incredible for lots of reasons, not least the fantastic multiplayer. I played the whole thing through again last month to see if it just flattered to deceive the first time around, but no, it was still fantastic.

Brilliant controls, cleverly developed set-piece battles and considering the decent length of the game, the story and the pace it played out at never really got dull.

I definitely think the Uncharted series was at times hyped beyond it's merits, but this, for me, was justified.

COYVB

We differ I suppose. I genuinely don't rate TLOU that much TBH. I think it managed to pull the wool over a lot of people's eyes, and was magnificently marketed, but as a game... nah, not for me

jonerkinsella

I didn't think much of tlou either . To me it was just old stuff stuck together for a newer generation. Resident evil + Mgs is all it reminded me of . For me Wolfenstein and Dying light are much better games .

tgdaly

jonerkinsella wrote: »

I didn't think much of tlou either . To me it was just old stuff stuck together for a newer generation. Resident evil + Mgs is all it reminded me of . For me Wolfenstein and Dying light are much better games .

Every game does something other games do. That's the nature of the business. No game is absolutely unique. TLOU was game of the year for a reason

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

TLOU was game of the year for a reason

Except no such thing exists

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

Except no such thing exists

Except it clearly does

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

Except it clearly does

Oh, really? Show me

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

Oh, really? Show me

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750221

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750221

You're showing me a list of individual game of the year awards. You said "Game of the Year" exists. That list shows it doesn't

It shows there's a consensus among a group out outlets, the results of whose own game of the year awards agree, but that's absolutely not the same thing

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

You're showing me a list of individual game of the year awards. You said "Game of the Year" exists. That list shows it doesn't

It shows there's a consensus among a group out outlets, the results of whose own game of the year awards agree, but that's absolutely not the same thing

Then I guess best anything doesn't exist.

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

Then I guess best anything doesn't exist.

Not unless there's an official industry standard for it. Case in point the Academy Awards. No such thing exists in games, so there is no such thing as a definitive game of the year

For the record, despite all those outlets giving TLOU their game of the year, it was outscored by those same publications, on average, by GTA V

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

Not unless there's an official industry standard for it. Case in point the Academy Awards. No such thing exists in games, so there is no such thing as a definitive game of the year

For the record, despite all those outlets giving TLOU their game of the year, it was outscored by those same publications, on average, by GTA V

If you value Academy Awards over Golden Globes, Screen Actors guild etc.

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

If you value Academy Awards over Golden Globes, Screen Actors guild etc.

Very good point really. No award is definitive, they're all opinions. IIRC for 2013 TLOU wasn't in my top 15

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

Very good point really. No award is definitive, they're all opinions. IIRC for 2013 TLOU wasn't in my top 15

Which game is IIRC? Can't think in my head

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

Which game is IIRC? Can't think in my head

Haha, not a game. It's "If I remember correctly"

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

Haha, not a game. It's "If I remember correctly"

Haha sorry. Although I think TLOU is a brilliant game it actually wouldn't have been my own personal choice either, but I'd be picking my favorite game which is completely different

COYVB

tgdaly wrote: »

I'd be picking my favorite game which is completely different

It's genuinely not. Game of the Year awards are, quite literally, straw polls of the favourite games of the people writing for the publication. Nothing more, nothing less. Been involved with many of them in the last decade, and there's nowhere close to as much thought that goes into them as you might think

tgdaly

COYVB wrote: »

It's genuinely not. Game of the Year awards are, quite literally, straw polls of the favourite games of the people writing for the publication. Nothing more, nothing less. Been involved with many of them in the last decade, and there's nowhere close to as much thought that goes into them as you might think

Same as any award really

COYVB

Pretty much. It's also why games released right at the start of the year tend to be forgotten about when it comes to awards. They're all worthless for everyone but the winner who gets to pretend their award is meaningful. I looked up my GOTY for 2013 - I gave it to Rayman Legends, which I stand by. I also abused my position as EIC to make that the publication's GOTY too. In fact I discarded quite a few of my colleague's opinions for that list, but conceded 19th out of 20 for TLOU.

I'm a terrible professional, and probably a terrible person too.

Benzino

COYVB wrote: »

Pretty much. It's also why games released right at the start of the year tend to be forgotten about when it comes to awards. They're all worthless for everyone but the winner who gets to pretend their award is meaningful. I looked up my GOTY for 2013 - I gave it to Rayman Legends, which I stand by. I also abused my position as EIC to make that the publication's GOTY too. In fact I discarded quite a few of my colleague's opinions for that list, but conceded 19th out of 20 for TLOU.

I'm a terrible professional, and probably a terrible person too.

I'd be interested in seeing that list if TLOU only came 19th.

COYVB

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

Benzino

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

In that case I assume Bioshock Infinite is ahead of it, so I don't need to see the list :-P

johnny_ultimate

2013 in summary:

Papers Please > Everything else

Grayditch

Nah.

tok9

Hold on.. people have different opinions... Well I never!

johnny_ultimate

Of course they don't, opinions are a social construct. Games can be objectively evaluated. Anybody who disagrees with the consensus is factually wrong.

(Am I doing this right? Should I throw in some disparaging comments about social justice warriors?)

Fakman87

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

I'm really interested to know why you didn't even rate it top 50. I know there was nothing groundbreaking about the gameplay but I thought it was done well and the shooting was very visceral for me, plus the story and character development were outstanding IMO. I genuinely found it more engrossing than most films.

DARK-KNIGHT

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

am I reading this all wrong? are you saying the last of us wouldnt be in your top 50 games of that calender year or all time?

Grayditch

GAMES RELEASED ON THAT DAY!

Fuzzy_Dunlop

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

Each to their own and all but that just stinks of trying to be different for the sake of it. It's quite clearly an objectively very well made game in pretty much all aspects, even if it might not be your cup of tea. How many games would you even play in full in a year?

Grayditch

In fairness, he'd get through 'em.

DARK-KNIGHT

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Each to their own and all but that just stinks of trying to be different for the sake of it. It's quite clearly an objectively very well made game in pretty much all aspects, even if it might not be your cup of tea. How many games would you even play in full in a year?

yep what i was thinking too. that would actually turn me off his articles tbh. I mean if someone didnt like it fair enough but come on not in top 50 in that year? yeah ok then.. lol

DARK-KNIGHT

feck it i would actually love to see that article and wanna know exactly where the last of us would fit in outside the top 50?

mdwexford

COYVB wrote: »

Will stick it up later. Note that i didn't think it deserved inclusion anywhere, never mind 19th. That was me conceding ground. I'd not have put it in the top 50

Stop talking rubbish just to sound cool or whatever it is you are trying to do.

COYVB

Fakman87 wrote: »

I'm really interested to know why you didn't even rate it top 50. I know there was nothing groundbreaking about the gameplay but I thought it was done well and the shooting was very visceral for me, plus the story and character development were outstanding IMO. I genuinely found it more engrossing than most films.

I honestly just didn't like it. Simple as that really. If I had the opportunity to play through every single game I ever wanted to for the rest of my life, TLOU wouldn't be one of them.

COYVB

20. Warframe
19. The Last of Us
18. Saints Row IV
17. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
16. Injustice: Gods Among Us
15. Lego City Undercover
14. Tomb Raider
13. Pokemon X/Y
12. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
11. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
10. Flower
09. Forza Motorsport 5
08. Super Mario 3D World
07. Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
06. BioShock Infinite
05. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
04. Papers Please
03. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
02. Grand Theft Auto V
01. Rayman Legends

Had I not had final say before going to print, TLOU would've probably been up top 5. Had I ran with my list in its entirety, it would've probably been something like this:

20. A Tale of Two Sons
19. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
18. Pikmin 3
17. Tearaway
16. BioShock Infinite
15. Fire Emblem: Awakening
14. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
13. Warframe
12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
11. Flower
10. Saints Row IV
09. Tomb Raider
08. Resogun
07. Papers Please
06. Forza Motorsport 5
05. Super Mario 3D World
04. Grand Theft Auto V
03. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
02. Rayman Legends
01. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

DARK-KNIGHT

COYVB wrote: »

I honestly just didn't like it. Simple as that really. If I had the opportunity to play through every single game I ever wanted to for the rest of my life, TLOU wouldn't be one of them.

so what are the 50 games that year that you rated higher than the last of us?

COYVB

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

How many games would you even play in full in a year?

Jesus... typically? 200?

DARK-KNIGHT

COYVB wrote: »

Jesus... typically? 200?

200 full play throughs a year? i take it you are playing through games fully to give an accurate judgement on them all?

Grayditch

And he gets paid for it... the so n' so.

tgdaly

mdwexford wrote: »

Stop talking rubbish just to sound cool or whatever it is you are trying to do.

Thought I was the only one arguing against the point. No offense to you COYVB, but the whole thing reminds me of those few scientist who try and argue that climate change isn't happening. To each their own though, each opinion is equal

DARK-KNIGHT

holy mackerel batman.... cex already have 65 copies of the order instore... gonna trade it tomorrow for cash and buy it for a tenner in 6 months so...

COYVB

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

so what are the 50 games that year that you rated higher than the last of us?

oooh, a challenge! Taking the my top 20 for 2013 and expanding upon it...

50. F1 2013
49. Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus
48. Metro: Last Light
47. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist
46. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
45. BattleBlock Theater
44. Doki-Doki Universe
43. Injustice: Gods Among Us
42. DmC: Devil May Cry
41. Peggle 2
40. XCOM: Enemy Within
39. Rocksmith 2014 Edition
38. Lego City Undercover
37. Bit.Trip Runner2
36. Cloudberry Kingdom
35. Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix
34. FIFA 14
33. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
32. Dead Rising 3
31. NBA 2K14
30. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
29. The Stanley Parable
28. Waveform
27. Rogue Legacy
26. Fez
25. New Super Luigi U
24. Gran Turismo 6
23. Thomas Was Alone
22. Need for Speed: Most Wanted U
21. Hotline Miami
20. A Tale of Two Sons
19. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
18. Pikmin 3
17. Tearaway
16. BioShock Infinite
15. Fire Emblem: Awakening
14. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
13. Warframe
12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
11. Flower
10. Saints Row IV
09. Tomb Raider
08. Resogun
07. Papers Please
06. Forza Motorsport 5
05. Super Mario 3D World
04. Grand Theft Auto V
03. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
02. Rayman Legends
01. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

*Caveat: 2013 was a while ago, and not a massive amount of thought has gone into that list

COYVB

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

200 full play throughs a year? i take it you are playing through games fully to give an accurate judgement on them all?

Give or take. Maybe more maybe less depending on the year. And not all through to 100% completion necessarily. I used to be able to play more, last year wasn't a great one for me on that front. This year has started out alright I suppose

Grayditch

Good to see Rocksmith 2014 getting in there. It came in late to the music-game fad, and I think incidentally, it's miles ahead of all them.