2015 World Cup - Day 14 - SA v WI

Dan man

19th Match, Pool B: South Africa v West Indies at Sydney
Feb 27th, 2015 (14:30 local | 03:30 GMT)

Pudsy33

A big SA win would be ideal

KevIRL

Have a sneaking feeling west indies could surprise everyone here. Has the potential to be a high scoring thriller if Gayle is in the mood

pelevin

Wouldn't be surprised myself really if WI were to win. A lot like India previously with Sehwag, if he plays well the team really is halfway there.
Bring back Sehwag! I recognise the virtues in leaving him out but he was fantastic to watch.

COYVB

My wife: "ha! de kock"... "HA!! HOLDER"... "DE KOCK HOLDER"

*sigh*

KevIRL

Huge score already. Gayle gonna need another double

KevIRL

Great catch Taylor

dfx-

100 in 52 balls for AB. Ireland might need him out early against them, 34 off the over:eek:

Luckycharms_74

Some batting by de Villiers last over
34 runs from it

KevIRL

dfx- wrote: »

100 in 52 balls for AB. Ireland might need him out early against them, 34 off the over:eek:

KOB's fastest world cup ton record still intact...

dfx-

7 minutes later 100 turns to 150 and nearly 400...

KevIRL

400 passed...

Luckycharms_74

Fastest 150 in ODI history
Some performance by AB
Edit: 162 off 66 balls is unreal

COYVB

Windies aren't chasing that down. Not a hope

booth70

AB!!!! ..... What an innings ...... Different class!!

U would have thought the Windies would have learnt how to bowl to him by now

Luckycharms_74

Gayle gone so huge task now

dfx-

Holder's figures: 5 overs, 9 runs, 2 maidens, 1 wicket, it turns into ten overs, 105 runs with 64 runs in his last two overs...

KevIRL

2 down.

Alf Veedersane

I still can't quite believe those last few overs.

Unbelievable, Jeff!

pajor

Another 2 wickets in 2 deliveries.

KevIRL

Tis a skittling.

Will do wonders for the WI NRR

riffmongous

57/5 now

thomasj

63/6 now

thomasj

thomasj wrote: »

63/6 now

Make that 63/7! Crumbling before our eyes.

Will be lucky to make 30 overs at this stage.

pajor

WI all out before 100 runs isn't looking impossible!

KevIRL

pajor wrote: »

WI all out before 100 runs isn't looking impossible!

Looking quite likely now I'd say

pajor

KevIRL wrote: »

Looking quite likely now I'd say

Not quite. 103/7 now.

minitrue

109/8 come on the Saffers, two wickets in 8 runs to get our record for worst ODI defeat (Vs NZ in Scotland in 2008, without all our county players) down to #2 in the list :-D

mcgratheoin

Unbelievable stuff - I always used to work off the rough guide that you'd score the same in your last 20 as you did in your first 30 overs, SA were 147/3 after 30 overs!

BarryD

260 runs in last 20 overs for SA.....

And we have to play them next...........

Oh dear!

BarryD

Maybe it'll rain next Tuesday in Canberra!!

If not, you'd fear for the worst - we don't exactly have a penetrating bowling attack and our medium pacers could be taken apart.

On the batting front, we're not particularly experienced against the sort of pace that SA have........

Maybe, we get lucky

Alf Veedersane

Believe!

riffmongous

At the very least we cant do a whole lot worse than the WI

Dan man

riffmongous wrote: »

At the very least we cant do a whole lot worse than the WI

Exactly, it's hard to see how we'll do any worse than the West Indies. Bring it on!

Rjd2

South Africa don't slip up against associates though, in fact they hammer them.

All fingers crossed but it hard to see how we can hurt them.:(

BarryD

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Believe!

In what? The fairies!!

At best, SA will be cautious against us, they won't want to be embarrassed by underestimating and making silly mistakes that put them under a little pressure.

But once they realise our bowlers are there for the taking, we're in deep doo daa.

We'll be under real pressure when batting as they have bowlers who are both very quick, clever and menacing..

Pudsy33

After the Ed Joyce stumps incident I don't think belief in fairies is that far fetched

Mysterypunter

Demolition job. Chris Gayle back in form.

Alf Veedersane

BarryD wrote: »

they won't want to be embarrassed by underestimating and making silly mistakes that put them under a little pressure

That's what Baggio and co. said in '94.

Olé.

pelevin

Where's the pleasure in it if we're supposed to be dreading playing the best sides because of how awful it might be? Imagine if Chris Gayle takes us apart when we play the Windies! Look what he did to Zimbabwe! Oh wait . . . we already played them.

Rjd2

Huge difference between the West Indies and Saffers to be fair though.

BarryD

pelevin wrote: »

Where's the pleasure in it if we're supposed to be dreading playing the best sides because of how awful it might be? Imagine if Chris Gayle takes us apart when we play the Windies! Look what he did to Zimbabwe! Oh wait . . . we already played them.

You wouldn't be dreading us playing the best sides - more a case of hoping for the best and fearing for the worst!!

The odds are really stacked against 'Associate' teams in cricket, losing our best players going off to play for the big boys.

pelevin

Rjd2 wrote: »

Huge difference between the West Indies and Saffers to be fair though.

There's a very good chance they'll give us a thumping but to a large degree the whole point in being there is the possibility of memorable occasions like beating the Windies, Pakistan or England. It's not as if de Villiers has never failed in his life. Already SA lost heavily to India whose attack was being laughed at very recently, & they were also in some trouble against Zimbabwe - 83 for 4. They're just ordinary people who can be put under pressure rather than unreachable supermen whilst our batsmen have put in enough strong displays not to be simply written off beforehand. Which isn't as said disregarding that SA will be huge favourites.

Dan man

pelevin wrote: »

There's a very good chance they'll give us a thumping but to a large degree the whole point in being there is the possibility of memorable occasions like beating the Windies, Pakistan or England. It's not as if de Villiers has never failed in his life. Already SA lost heavily to India whose attack was being laughed at very recently, & they were also in some trouble against Zimbabwe - 83 for 4. They're just ordinary people who can be put under pressure rather than unreachable supermen whilst our batsmen have put in enough strong displays not to be simply written off beforehand. Which isn't as said disregarding that SA will be huge favourites.

Totally agree with you. I don't know why we should fear this match and be resigning ourselves for a massive defeat. It's an opportunity to be excited by and if the very worst happens then so what, it's not a disaster.

Alf Veedersane

I watch it for the unbridled joy of beating Pakistan. Even for those last 6 overs bowling against Zimbabwe. These games had us in a position to feel like favourites against Bangladesh - a Test team - in the Super 8s.

I watched for the excitement that comes with actually looking like chasing down 300+ against England and the pride that came with that.

We've played, what, 16 (?) games in total at the CWC prior to the West Indies game. I watch because for every loss against the big teams there might, just might, be a win around the corner.

Hashtag feels.

HonalD

Dan man wrote: »

Totally agree with you. I don't know why we should fear this match and be resigning ourselves for a massive defeat. It's an opportunity to be excited by and if the very worst happens then so what, it's not a disaster.

We can win versus SA. Perhaps we use the toss to our advantage this time.

BarryD

HonalD wrote: »

We can win versus SA. Perhaps we use the toss to our advantage this time.

Trust you're being facetious HonalD!! I'm looking forward to the game but you gotta be real - SA have the some of the quickest bowlers around. Steyn, Morkel and Abbott are well in the 140+kph. They also seem pretty handy at judging a batsman's intentions. If they play these guys, we'll surely do well just to survive and pick off runs here & there.

Our fast/medium bowling attack is down in the friendlier 90-120 kph zone. Dockrell is good but not a magician - if they go after him, he could take a hammering as well.

My armchair punt is that we need to bowl in a way that keeps them honest - i.e. straight and a teasing length. We could get clubbed but wasn't it Fred Trueman whose motto was,"'if they miss, I get 'em"

Rikand

BarryD wrote: »

Trust you're being facetious HonalD!! I'm looking forward to the game but you gotta be real - SA have the some of the quickest bowlers around. Steyn, Morkel and Abbott are well in the 140+kph. They also seem pretty handy at judging a batsman's intentions. If they play these guys, we'll surely do well just to survive and pick off runs here & there.

Our fast/medium bowling attack is down in the friendlier 90-120 kph zone. Dockrell is good but not a magician - if they go after him, he could take a hammering as well.

My armchair punt is that we need to bowl in a way that keeps them honest - i.e. straight and a teasing length. We could get clubbed but wasn't it Fred Trueman whose motto was,"'if they miss, I get 'em"

We play better against a pace attack I think though. Look at how we did against the West Indies with its myriad of fast bowlers. We were able to work the ball around the ground much more efficiently. Against the UAE and their slow bowlers it was more difficult as the balls didn't have a lot of pace on them to begin with. Only Kevin O'brien with his big limbs was able to move the ball away at any pace.

I'd say we have a decent chance.

Someone tell our death bowlers to bowl yorkers! No length deliveries.... yorkers! God Help Kevin O'Brien if he throws down some Holder-esque deliveries!

BarryD

But you need a bit of speed & surprise to bowl an effective yorker? Otherwise they just turn into full tosses?

Rjd2

Rikand wrote: »

We play better against a pace attack I think though. Look at how we did against the West Indies with its myriad of fast bowlers. We were able to work the ball around the ground much more efficiently. Against the UAE and their slow bowlers it was more difficult as the balls didn't have a lot of pace on them to begin with. Only Kevin O'brien with his big limbs was able to move the ball away at any pace.

I'd say we have a decent chance.

Someone tell our death bowlers to bowl yorkers! No length deliveries.... yorkers! God Help Kevin O'Brien if he throws down some Holder-esque deliveries!

Twas a poor West Indies attack, Roach who I love to bits clearly been rushed back as he was rubbish and hasn't been seen since, Taylor as he has been his whole career is all over the place while Holder and Russell are very inexperienced. The South African attack isn't as frightening as people make it out but it is still much stronger than the WI, Morkel is gun in this format, Abbot when on song is good while sadly for us Steyn is due a good game.

Also Tahir is a world class spinner in limited overs cricket, apart from Herath is their anybody better? He could feast on us especially regarding scoreboard pressure.

I give us a very small chance of winning, however this is not a do or die game for us.

Jacovs

Im flying to SA tomorrow and back again on wednesday, and if SA lose against Ireland on tuesday I think I will just stay in SA. :pac: