Congress Motions

CrabRevolution

They probably used the "but our club depends on 15 year olds" line when a minimum age was first introduced to the games too. As was said above, if your club depends on 17 year olds, you've bigger problems that one extra year wont ever solve.

OldMrBrennan83

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dirtyden

I am a fan of the extra time proposal, but agree it was never going to pass.

Fixture congestion is a huge problem that always gets short shrift.

CrabRevolution

Patww79 wrote: »

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Not so much screw you, but those players will be eligible the following year, so you will then have enough players.

The number of 17 year olds out there who are the difference between their team fielding or folding is probably less than 1% of the number of players who will now be spared from overtraining, too much pressure, and having to deal with all sorts of competing coaches.

Gael85

nice_guy80 wrote: »

So our adult club team has just lost 6 17 year olds for 2015??

Cant believe motion 50 has passed. What was the GAA reason behind this? This will effect rural clubs in a big way .I know of a club in Clare that won junior championship last year and only had a panel of 20 of which 6 lads were u 17.If that rule had been applied last year the club wouldn't have fielded a team and young lads would have been left idle.

castletownman

I can only assume that it has to do with the player burnout issue within clubs. Because I know for a fact that Wexford county board fixed the adult all county leagues, minor football championship and had Wexford's minor footballers playing in a Leinster League tournament all in the same weekend. It was concievable for someone to play all four games. But it's alright though because they weren't training too hard before then. Technically only four games in two months

nice_guy80

Our young lads dont get enough games!
Never mind burnout.
This motion affects maybe 5% of the minor players. What about the rest?
A simpler solution would have been to limit the number of teams talented minors could be involved with.

They were looking forward to adult hurling!
Our main issue is clubs poaching our players and emigration.

citykat

Wow. Textbook cynical play in Killarney this afternoon. Had it all. Trips, pull downs in addition to the obligatory melee(s). You wouldn't see that amount of cynical play in a years hurling.

zetecescort

citykat wrote: »

Wow. Textbook cynical play in Killarney this afternoon. Had it all. Trips, pull downs in addition to the obligatory melee(s). You wouldn't see that amount of cynical play in a years hurling.

so why be afraid of the introduction of the black card if there is no cynical play?

citykat

zetecescort wrote: »

so why be afraid of the introduction of the black card if there is no cynical play?

Wouldn't be afraid of it at all. Just don't see the need for another layer of disciplinary bureaucracy. As constituted the black card was designed for gaelic and after todays display in Killarney, I can see why.

GBXI

There were some daft motions proposed at Congress on Friday but some of the motions that were defeated is nothing short of disgraceful - for example, the hooter system, increasing U21 games to 35mins a half (all GAA matches from minor up should 35mins a half), and the extra time motion.

Such an overly traditionalist organisation at times.

Boom__Boom

GBXI wrote: »

There were some daft motions proposed at Congress on Friday but some of the motions that were defeated is nothing short of disgraceful - for example, the hooter system, increasing U21 games to 35mins a half (all GAA matches from minor up should 35mins a half), and the extra time motion.

Such an overly traditionalist organisation at times.

The extra-time motion covered all inter-county championships games at all grades, up to and including the All-Ireland Finals; the knock-out stages of the National Leagues, Inter-Provincial Competitions, Oireachtas and other Inter-County Tournaments, Inter-Club Provincial and All-Ireland Championships, the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon Cups, and any other games in subsidiary competitions. If passed, it would greatly limit the need for replays throughout the season.

If it was going to have any chance of passing it should have been far more targeted on specific competitions as opposed to a blanket ban.

GBXI

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The extra-time motion covered all inter-county championships games at all grades, up to and including the All-Ireland Finals; the knock-out stages of the National Leagues, Inter-Provincial Competitions, Oireachtas and other Inter-County Tournaments, Inter-Club Provincial and All-Ireland Championships, the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon Cups, and any other games in subsidiary competitions. If passed, it would greatly limit the need for replays throughout the season.

If it was going to have any chance of passing it should have been far more targeted on specific competitions as opposed to a blanket ban.

Agreed.

KrustyUCC

nice_guy80 wrote: »

So our adult club team has just lost 6 17 year olds for 2015??

no that rule comes into effect in 2016 afaik as 2015 competitions have commenced

nice_guy80

KrustyUCC wrote: »

no that rule comes into effect in 2016 afaik as 2015 competitions have commenced

so we've lost 6/7 our 17 year olds next year then?
I don't see the problem in normal 17 year old club players playing junior hurling and junior football
they get very few games minor games and U21 is knockout

the problem is the few players who are involved in every team

davegrohl48

nice_guy80 wrote: »

so we've lost 6/7 our 17 year olds next year then?
I don't see the problem in normal 17 year old club players playing junior hurling and junior football
they get very few games minor games and U21 is knockout

the problem is the few players who are involved in every team

At junior level they can still come up against experienced much bigger players, even the odd inter county player. It's not safe.

bruschi

nice_guy80 wrote: »

so we've lost 6/7 our 17 year olds next year then?
I don't see the problem in normal 17 year old club players playing junior hurling and junior football
they get very few games minor games and U21 is knockout

the problem is the few players who are involved in every team

you said earlier your club would fold as it only has 18 players. Add in you 6/7 of this years Under 16s and you have 25. So what is the issue then for 2016?

I just dont get the vigorous opposition to this. An adult club should not be dependant on current under 16s to be able to survive in the short term.

You should also ask a 17 year old how many games he plays. And I'm talking about the ones who will play adult. It's all well and good saying you're moissing 6/7 17 year olds, but would your adult club realistically be playing 14 minors on their adult team as you are trying to imply? Its not that common for many, if any, 17 year olds to be on adult teams. The ones who are, are the ones who are very talented and the ones under the most pressure playing games. There are chaps at that age who potentially have 3/4 games per weekend and could have training every day of the week. As I said earlier, people need to start looking at the long term with this, not the one year missed.

rockonollie

Has there been any indication as to the implimentation of the changed playing rules......is it with immediate effect?