My Dog chasing other animals

buppydogs

Hi all, I have a dog, aged about 6 now, goldendoodle big dog, family pet. He has taken to escaping (mcgyver would have nothing on him) anyway tonight he catch our hen and killed it and proceeded
To field with lambs and thankfully we caught him. Anyone any constructive suggestions. To be honest I'd be thinking of rehoming to more Experienced dog people. He's excellent with the family and the submissive of our 2 dogs. I'm in cork area, can anyone point me in the right direction. I've a very upset 5 year old with a dead hen and we are very afraid he'll go for the neighbours lambs etc. we want to do the right thing but would prefer not to put him down, if avoidable. Any help appreciated.

Knine

How is he escaping? Can you get a secure dog run for him when you can't watch him? One with a concrete base so he can't dig out of it. Use tall stairgates in the house?

andreac

Can you not keep him contained whether it's in your house or a proper dog run? Surely that's possible?

boomerang

They are really energetic dogs OP, and an under-exercised or bored dog will get up to all kinds of mischief to allieviate it. Can you tire him out more?

Frigga_92

As above, I have read that they are high energy dogs, although I have no experience with them myself. You should get him into a secure run or a secure enclosure of some sort, ensure that he can't get out, if he is an escape artist you may have to take extra precautions. You should also make sure you are providing him with enough stimulation, enough exercise, through both mental and physical activities.

You need to be very careful to sort out this problem asap if you are worried that he may go after your neighbour's livestock and livelihood, you could find yourself in a very undesirable situation.

buppydogs

Thanks for the replies. I'm afraid I have a
New baby and don't have the time
Or Energy for stair gating the house, constantly watching my back so he
Doesn't escape, he has a dog run on concrete but it's not Big enough to leave him in. I am also more Concerned for the livelihood of our neighbours at this stage also. I'll have to figure something out. Thanks again.

obplayer

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I'm afraid I have a
New baby and don't have the time
Or Energy for stair gating the house, constantly watching my back so he
Doesn't escape, he has a dog run on concrete but it's not Big enough to leave him in. I am also more Concerned for the livelihood of our neighbours at this stage also. I'll have to figure something out. Thanks again.

Re-home him quickly. Somewhere he won't be a threat to livestock.

Stheno

obplayer wrote: »

Re-home him quickly.

I'd agree with this as the most practical option

buppydogs

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

As above, I have read that they are high energy dogs, although I have no experience with them myself. You should get him into a secure run or a secure enclosure of some sort, ensure that he can't get out, if he is an escape artist you may have to take extra precautions. You should also make sure you are providing him with enough stimulation, enough exercise, through both mental and physical activities.

You need to be very careful to sort out this problem asap if you are worried that he may go after your neighbour's livestock and livelihood, you could find yourself in a very undesirable situation.

Hi, I agree with you completely and to date this is what we have been doing, but he is managing to get out often now
And it's become a serious issue regarding our in particular if anything was the happen with our lovely neighbours and their sheep.
I was able To walk him before baby came along and even that was tough going. He Would pull on the lead and I've somersaulted more than once. He's so energetic, I thought he might calm as he got a bit older but that's not happening. I'm goin to have to sort something out anyway.

buppydogs

andreac wrote: »

Can you not keep him contained whether it's in your house or a proper dog run? Surely that's possible?

Our goldendoodle is very big and very boisterous. He's not a house dog, he has 1/2 an acre of fenced garden to himself and his doggy friend, a run within that area( that he sleeps In only- It's small ) a walled garden with fence Over head, I've spent a lot trying to get him to stay in! But thanks for your suggestions.

buppydogs

Stheno wrote: »

I'd agree with this as the most practical option

Thanks for Reply. I'm also beginning to think your suggestion is My only option, how Would I go about doing this does anyone know ? I'd say it'll be difficult to find a home for a dog who likes To chase animals , but I think I will try as I don't have the time he needs to try and train him and am too worried about him Escaping 'next time'. Thanks

maringo

A long tie-out lead might help temporarily so he can't escape the garden but I'd agree that re-homing him with somebody who has more time to exercise him would be the best option.

lulu1

Have you got him since he was a pup op and is it only recently he has started this.

Knine

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I'm afraid I have a
New baby and don't have the time
Or Energy for stair gating the house, constantly watching my back so he
Doesn't escape, he has a dog run on concrete but it's not Big enough to leave him in. I am also more Concerned for the livelihood of our neighbours at this stage also. I'll have to figure something out. Thanks again.

Sure will you not have to find the energy for stairgates when your baby starts toddling around?

Maybe look into getting better control of the dog. There are all sorts of helpful walking aids e.g. Dogmatic Headcollars, harnesses etc. Some training for the dog & you?

Put the baby in a buggy/pram & go walking with the dog. Before you say you can't manage I have a 7 year old child who can hardly walk & a giant buggy & I manage! One of my dogs would be bigger & stronger then your crossbreed!

Far too many dogs end up homeless because of a new baby.

obplayer

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for Reply. I'm also beginning to think your suggestion is My only option, how Would I go about doing this does anyone know ? I'd say it'll be difficult to find a home for a dog who likes To chase animals , but I think I will try as I don't have the time he needs to try and train him and am too worried about him Escaping 'next time'. Thanks

Ask your vet for information about re-homing. Google 're-homing for dogs' and see what comes up in your area. Accept that the dog is leaving you and try all you can to avoid him being put down. PM me if you want me to do the googling.

buppydogs

lulu1 wrote: »

Have you got him since he was a pup op and is it only recently he has started this.

I have had him since he was a pup and he has always been what I'd call difficult. An example would be if I walk him A. he still pulls the lead B. I could be a few miles away and he'll just sit and refuse to walk at all. He is extremely smart but has always been high maintenance. But ya I bought him as a pup.

Kovu

Buppydogs I have to also agree with above, you can't run the risk of him chasing sheep that are so close to lambing at this time of year. I'm sure the last thing you'd like to have happen is for him to be caught chasing them & shot because of it. Because he has already killed a hen, I'd be very wary of him close to a field with sheep. The stark reality is that farmers don't give dogs chasing them many chances.

In your garden could you try one of those tie-out stakes that corkscrew into the ground? Or even a radio collar?
Otherwise you're going to have to find ways to tire him out and there are some great suggestions in posts above.

I'd imagine he's a part of the family now as you have him so long and that it would be hard to give him up but that may be the only option if you can't keep him contained.

borderlinemeath

I know plenty of people that manage with 40kg+ dogs and have babies and manage to contain them and keep them occupied. Have you a doggy day care near you? Or even a local dog walker to take him out? Most professional dog walkers will know how to control a strong pulling dog and some would have their own harnesses to try and see which might work best on him. You could get a behaviourist in who would help you train him with loose lead walking and recall. And if he has a secure run then he can be contained in that once he gets out for his walk. Having a half acre garden doesn't compensate for getting out and that's why he's breaking out.

Is he neutered? If not I would absolutely do this if you're going to rehome him. Rehoming an intact dog will attract all the wrong sorts of people, who just want to take advantage and use your dog as a stud. And they wouldn't be reputable breeders but puppy farmers and back yard breeders who don't and won't health test.

If you're intent on rehoming him contact your nearest rescue, although pretty much every rescue in the country is under huge pressure. I know my local rescue doesn't have a premises but does help rehome dogs still with their owners by putting up their details on their websites and doing homechecks on prospective new owners. If you state what part of the country you're in people can pm you details of local reputable rescues.

buppydogs

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I know plenty of people that manage with 40kg+ dogs and have babies and manage to contain them and keep them occupied. Have you a doggy day care near you? Or even a local dog walker to take him out? Most professional dog walkers will know how to control a strong pulling dog and some would have their own harnesses to try and see which might work best on him. You could get a behaviourist in who would help you train him with loose lead walking and recall. And if he has a secure run then he can be contained in that once he gets out for his walk. Having a half acre garden doesn't compensate for getting out and that's why he's breaking out.

Is he neutered? If not I would absolutely do this if you're going to rehome him. Rehoming an intact dog will attract all the wrong sorts of people, who just want to take advantage and use your dog as a stud. And they wouldn't be reputable breeders but puppy farmers and back yard breeders who don't and won't health test.

If you're intent on rehoming him contact your nearest rescue, although pretty much every rescue in the country is under huge pressure. I know my local rescue doesn't have a premises but does help rehome dogs still with their owners by putting up their details on their websites and doing homechecks on prospective new owners. If you state what part of the country you're in people can pm you details of local reputable rescues.

Thanks for your reply. I am going to try and rehome him. You don't know my personal circumstances or the dog so I would say you can't really compare me to anyone else you know. I am now actively trying to have him rehomed. Thank you.

cocker5

I believe the above dog is now up on adverts.ie


Please op do not rehome through adverts or done deal - these websites are rife with people using dogs for dog fighting, puppy farming and all sorts of dreadful things.

Please go through a local rescue centre!

doubter

cocker5 wrote: »

I believe the above dog is now up on adverts.ie


Please op do not rehome through adverts or done deal - these websites are rife with people using dogs for dog fighting, puppy farming and all sorts of dreadful things.

Please go through a local rescue centre!

Second that. Contact your local rescue or any rescue at all. It helps if he's neutered already (vaccination kind of speaks for itself as a must).do NOT rehome through adverts or done deal it's bad news for your dog.

doubter

In addition: I did look into the person who has responded - i actually know her.She's a good woman and will help if she can.But be honest with her in regards to chasing and lifestock

buppydogs

cocker5 wrote: »

I believe the above dog is now up on adverts.ie


Please op do not rehome through adverts or done deal - these websites are rife with people using dogs for dog fighting, puppy farming and all sorts of dreadful things.

Please go through a local rescue centre!

Ok thank you . I just telephoned <snip> and <snip>. I'm to get him neutered this week and <snip> will try to rehome him for me thankfully. Thanks for letting me know about those sites. I appreciate it.

buppydogs

doubter wrote: »

In addition: I did look into the person who has responded - i actually know her.She's a good woman and will help if she can.But be honest with her in regards to chasing and lifestock

Oh I intend to be very honest as I don't want him being moved again of possible and I wouldn't want anyone's livelihood risked. Thank you again;-)

MrWalsh

No offence OP but I would respectfully suggest you educate yourself before ever getting another pet.

So many red flags in this thread.

You bought the dog as a puppy. The dog is a mongrel so you definitely didnt buy from a registered breeder.

The dog is 6 now and still unneutered. Why?

You dont have any effective control of the dog and are unwilling/unable to address that. Perhaps neutering would have been a good first step there in helping to calm him down?

You tried to rehome the dog through adverts.ie - really not advisable.

You live in an area with livestock and you bought a big energetic dog as a puppy who is untrained, isnt properly enclosed, isnt neutered and who you now want to rehome.

I dont want to be mean to you, but seriously? I really hope anyone else who reads this thread realises the commitment and responsibility needed when getting a dog so the above doesnt happen to them.

cocker5

Agree 100% with the above post on all points!

OldNotWIse

cocker5 wrote: »

Agree 100% with the above post on all points!

Me too!

borderlinemeath

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. I am going to try and rehome him. You don't know my personal circumstances or the dog so I would say you can't really compare me to anyone else you know. I am now actively trying to have him rehomed. Thank you.

You're correct, but given the information that you supplied, it's very easy to see the circumstances.

Dog not allowed in house -> Dog getting lonely and frustrated and breaking out and getting up to mischief

Dog too boisterous to walk -> Dog doesn't get walked because you have your hands full and he's too "high maintenance" ie too boisterous and a puller-> Dog getting frustrated and breaking out and getting into mischief.

The fact that you won't let him in or even bother putting up stair gates when you'll need them in a couple of months anyway speaks volumes. I have 3 dogs, all medium/large, high energy hunting breeds. In fact I mind dogs and usually have more than that in the house and garden, stair gates used as door barriers are brilliant, I wouldn't be without them.

While you're going to rehome him (Please ensure he's going to a good home) You should know that dogs are companion animals and thrive on human company, another dog isn't necessarily going to fill the void that a human can (ie your other dog shouldn't be relied on to keep him occupied) and the reason he's high maintenance is probably because when he does get that human company he's SO excited and can't contain himself. It's very common with dogs who aren't allowed into the home to develop problem behaviours such as escapology or digging, or inappropriate chewing because they're frustrated and left to their own devices.

buppydogs

MrWalsh wrote: »

No offence OP but I would respectfully suggest you educate yourself before ever getting another pet.

So many red flags in this thread.

You bought the dog as a puppy. The dog is a mongrel so you definitely didnt buy from a registered breeder.

The dog is 6 now and still unneutered. Why?

You dont have any effective control of the dog and are unwilling/unable to address that. Perhaps neutering would have been a good first step there in helping to calm him down?

You tried to rehome the dog through adverts.ie - really not advisable.

You live in an area with livestock and you bought a big energetic dog as a puppy who is untrained, isnt properly enclosed, isnt neutered and who you now want to rehome.

I dont want to be mean to you, but seriously? I really hope anyone else who reads this thread realises the commitment and responsibility needed when getting a dog so the above doesnt happen to them.

Thanks for your really helpful reply. You clearly haven't a lot to do with your time. As I said our circumstances have changed a lot and yes it's possible we could have done better with this dog but we haven't and are now trying to deal as best we can with the current situation. I am doing my best that's all I can now do. I am glad your life has run so smoothly and that everything you do is perfect. Maybe you could set up a business telling other people about what thy do right and wrong, sounds like it's what you like to do with your spare time and oh I don't mean to be mean!!

ganmo

MrWalsh wrote: »

You live in an area with livestock and you bought a big energetic dog as a puppy who is untrained, isnt properly enclosed, isnt neutered and who you now want to rehome.

MrWalsh small dogs attack sheep too


on another note I'd like to thank(on behalf of her neighbour) the OP for taking action before lambs and ewes were attacked.

buppydogs

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You're correct, but given the information that you supplied, it's very easy to see the circumstances.

Dog not allowed in house -> Dog getting lonely and frustrated and breaking out and getting up to mischief

Dog too boisterous to walk -> Dog doesn't get walked because you have your hands full and he's too "high maintenance" ie too boisterous and a puller-> Dog getting frustrated and breaking out and getting into mischief.

The fact that you won't let him in or even bother putting up stair gates when you'll need them in a couple of months anyway speaks volumes. I have 3 dogs, all medium/large, high energy hunting breeds. In fact I mind dogs and usually have more than that in the house and garden, stair gates used as door barriers are brilliant, I wouldn't be without them.

While you're going to rehome him (Please ensure he's going to a good home) You should know that dogs are companion animals and thrive on human company, another dog isn't necessarily going to fill the void that a human can (ie your other dog shouldn't be relied on to keep him occupied) and the reason he's high maintenance is probably because when he does get that human company he's SO excited and can't contain himself. It's very common with dogs who aren't allowed into the home to develop problem behaviours such as escapology or digging, or inappropriate chewing because they're frustrated and left to their own devices.

You people who come I. Here to be rude and criticise Certainly are rude. I have a difficult situation and have had many changes including a new illness that means I can not let the dog in, I have an exceptionally low
Immunity, I also can not walk him myself which means my his mad who works 5 days a week 12 hours a day is struggling to do this also. However I'd like to add since it's my post I'd prefer if you have no helpful advice that you find a thread where people like arguments and want your Negative unhelpful advice. As I've said I am trying to now the best I can and please note that's not your problem so try not to respond like it is.

Ann22

Please don't, whatever you do advertise him on the net especially not 'free to good home'. dog baiters or backyard breeders could snap him up for a lifetime of confinement and misery.

I volunteer with a rescue and am heartsore and tired of stories like this one. So many dogs are dumped when babies come along. I hear the same thing over and over.

I personally don't agree with dogs not being allowed indoors or treated as a family member. They should at least be allowed in at night. Dogs are desperate for company and want to be with their owners all the time. Its not fair them being restrained all day on their own in a run and they can't be free to roam either.

Can you have a fence erected around your garden and ask a friend or family member to walk him? If you have no one to help and no energy to take him for long walks or to play ball with him yourself anymore then contact a local rescue. Send good quality photos of him and offer to pay a rehoming fee. If you also offer to hold the dog until a home or other rescue place is found, it will help your case.

Remember some pounds have very high pts figures but some work with rescue organisations to save what they can. It all depends on where you live.

muddypaws

buppydogs wrote: »

You people who come I. Here to be rude and criticise Certainly are rude. I have a difficult situation and have had many changes including a new illness that means I can not let the dog in, I have an exceptionally low
Immunity, I also can not walk him myself which means my his mad who works 5 days a week 12 hours a day is struggling to do this also. However I'd like to add since it's my post I'd prefer if you have no helpful advice that you find a thread where people like arguments and want your Negative unhelpful advice. As I've said I am trying to now the best I can and please note that's not your problem so try not to respond like it is.

If that is true, then get him neutered immediately before you pass him on. That will be unaffected by a new baby or illness, and may stop him ending up in the wrong hands.

OldNotWIse

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for your really helpful reply. You clearly haven't a lot to do with your time. As I said our circumstances have changed a lot and yes it's possible we could have done better with this dog but we haven't and are now trying to deal as best we can with the current situation. I am doing my best that's all I can now do. I am glad your life has run so smoothly and that everything you do is perfect. Maybe you could set up a business telling other people about what thy do right and wrong, sounds like it's what you like to do with your spare time and oh I don't mean to be mean!!

Poster was simply pointing out that you might re-think your pet ownership strategy in the future to prevent the same thing happening again. I pretty much agree with everything in the post too tbh. Buying a non-pedigree, not bothering to have it neutered, not enclosing it properly etc and then saying things like, "he has always been toublesome" - there is no such thing as a dog that is just born troublesome. It's generally to do with inadequacies on the owners part. I think the poster just doesn't want the pattern repeated.

MrWalsh

buppydogs wrote: »

Thanks for your really helpful reply. You clearly haven't a lot to do with your time. As I said our circumstances have changed a lot and yes it's possible we could have done better with this dog but we haven't and are now trying to deal as best we can with the current situation. I am doing my best that's all I can now do. I am glad your life has run so smoothly and that everything you do is perfect. Maybe you could set up a business telling other people about what thy do right and wrong, sounds like it's what you like to do with your spare time and oh I don't mean to be mean!!

I have no issue with circumstances changing and it is sometimes best to rehome an animal in that event - but even your approach to that has been appallingly irresponsible, advertising the poor animal on adverts.ie, where it is at risk of utter horror befalling it.

So, as for your indignation, Im sorry the truth hurts but you have behaved irresponsibly at every step of the way with regards to this dog. Hopefully this experience has at least educated you on what not to do, when you have time to put your pride aside for a minute and realise that you have badly let down an innocent animal.

I have no issue taking the time to point out when an animal has been wronged, in fact I feel it is my moral responsibility as animals cannot speak for themselves.

buppydogs

Ann22 wrote: »

Please don't, whatever you do advertise him on the net especially not 'free to good home'. dog baiters or backyard breeders could snap him up for a lifetime of confinement and misery.

I volunteer with a rescue and am heartsore and tired of stories like this one. So many dogs are dumped when babies come along. I hear the same thing over and over.

I personally don't agree with dogs not being allowed indoors or treated as a family member. They should at least be allowed in at night. Dogs are desperate for company and want to be with their owners all the time. Its not fair them being restrained all day on their own in a run and they can't be free to roam either.

Can you have a fence erected around your garden and ask a friend or family member to walk him? If you have no one to help and no energy to take him for long walks or to play ball with him yourself anymore then contact a local rescue. Send good quality photos of him and offer to pay a rehoming fee. If you also offer to hold the dog until a home or other rescue place is found, it will help your case.

Remember some pounds have very high pts figures but some work with rescue organisations to save what they can. It all depends on where you live.

Is there a particular reason that peoe
Are so rude here? I didn't forget about the dog because I have a baby! I have had my 3 rd child- so try not to make statements you do not have the facts on . Also. I am sick, my circumstances have hugely changed and this is no bodies business
Here but since some I you insist on being so judgemental I've no choice but to explain really. I am doing the best I can to avoid my dog being put down and the local lambs being killed!! My vet advised me to put him down, he is aware of my efforts with this dog and his behaviour. He maintains he is a hunter and nothing will change this. I do not want to do that if I can avoid it. I also have no family living near me and no my friends have enough of helping me In the past year with my children while I've been very unwell. Oh my dogs have an indoor loft to themselves with a lovely bedded area and plenty of toys. They get taken to the vet, groomed, played with etc but I can not take a chance on this dog eating someone's livelihood. I expected Help here not such criticism from people who know Nothing about me.

borderlinemeath

buppydogs wrote: »

You people who come I. Here to be rude and criticise Certainly are rude. I have a difficult situation and have had many changes including a new illness that means I can not let the dog in, I have an exceptionally low
Immunity, I also can not walk him myself which means my his mad who works 5 days a week 12 hours a day is struggling to do this also. However I'd like to add since it's my post I'd prefer if you have no helpful advice that you find a thread where people like arguments and want your Negative unhelpful advice. As I've said I am trying to now the best I can and please note that's not your problem so try not to respond like it is.

I haven't once been rude to you. I've simply pointed out the facts as you stated them. Had you pointed out in your first post that you have a new illness rather than he's too high maintenence then I might have worded my post slightly differently, more sympathetically perhaps - but the facts still stand, he didn't become a high maintenence escapologist overnight, his behaviour has developed over time because he wasn't lead trained, or neutered (an unneutered male can scale a sheer wall if he gets a whiff of a female in heat, even if she's miles away) and you stated yourself that he wasn't a house dog and that he had half an acre of garden. For most posters on this forum a dog is for life, unless there are catastrophic changes to their circumstances.

I actually think it's a good thing your rehoming him, because it is a huge risk to have a dog that now has a behavioural habit of escaping living in close proximity to livestock, and it's most likely a very difficult decision. But a lot of posters have given you good advice - ie get him neutered, go through a rescue and you're just getting worked up because you're focusing on the constructive criticism rather than the advice.

OldNotWIse

buppydogs wrote: »

Is there a particular reason that peoe
Are so rude here? I didn't forget about the dog because I have a baby! I have had my 3 rd child- so try not to make statements you do not have the facts on . Also. I am sick, my circumstances have hugely changed and this is no bodies business
Here but since some I you insist on being so judgemental I've no choice but to explain really. I am doing the best I can to avoid my dog being put down and the local lambs being killed!! My vet advised me to put him down, he is aware of my efforts with this dog and his behaviour. He maintains he is a hunter and nothing will change this. I do not want to do that if I can avoid it. I also have no family living near me and no my friends have enough of helping me In the past year with my children while I've been very unwell. Oh my dogs have an indoor loft to themselves with a lovely bedded area and plenty of toys. They get taken to the vet, groomed, played with etc but I can not take a chance on this dog eating someone's livelihood. I expected Help here not such criticism from people who know Nothing about me.

I don't believe this for a second. Perhaps you want the dog PTS and you are trying to justify this.

I understand your frustration but I think people posting on here are not being rude, they are simply voicing concerns for the dog and in fairness, you didn't explain your situation from the outset so how are we to know? You are drip feeding information it seems as it suits you. Why come on asking questions if you don't want to hear the answers.

In my opinion, you should surrender the dog and have him re-homed, and definitely think twice before acquiring another one.

MrWalsh

Regardless of changed circumstances, buying a pup off a back yard breeder, no neutering, not enclosing properly, and then trying to rehome through the internet are all extremely irresponsible behaviours towards dogs. None of the above have to do with changed circumstance or illness.

I havent been rude to you either but if you dont like the facts then maybe change how you treat animals?

muddypaws

buppydogs wrote: »

Is there a particular reason that peoe
Are so rude here? I didn't forget about the dog because I have a baby! I have had my 3 rd child- so try not to make statements you do not have the facts on . Also. I am sick, my circumstances have hugely changed and this is no bodies business
Here but since some I you insist on being so judgemental I've no choice but to explain really. I am doing the best I can to avoid my dog being put down and the local lambs being killed!! My vet advised me to put him down, he is aware of my efforts with this dog and his behaviour. He maintains he is a hunter and nothing will change this. I do not want to do that if I can avoid it. I also have no family living near me and no my friends have enough of helping me In the past year with my children while I've been very unwell. Oh my dogs have an indoor loft to themselves with a lovely bedded area and plenty of toys. They get taken to the vet, groomed, played with etc but I can not take a chance on this dog eating someone's livelihood. I expected Help here not such criticism from people who know Nothing about me.

To defend the API posters - you bought the dog as a pup, and have said he has always been difficult to walk etc. So that would indicate that you didn't train him sufficiently, as that would be your responsiblity, a dog doesn't just know how to behave, they have to learn, and be taught humanely. Its a great way to teach children responsibility as well, getting them involved in training, feeding etc.

What you are seeing as rudeness, is actually frustration by people who see dogs being killed needlessly all of the time because people get them and then don't do the necessary training. Responsible ownership is hard work, unfortunately a lot of owners don't understand that, and it is always, always the dog that pays the price.

The reason people are advising against advertising him where you are, is that is where dog fighters get dogs from. You may think that as your dog isn't a bull breed, he'll be safe from that - unfortunately the opposite will be true, he could be used as a bait dog. This is where he would be used to training fighting dogs, maybe have his back legs tied together so that he can't get away from the dogs being trained. Maybe strung up over a run with fighting dogs in. Whatever, he will have a pain and fear filled end of his life. And the dog fighters won't turn up in a transit with signs on it, they may well turn up in a family car, possibly with children in tow to play at respectability.

As for your vet advocating killing him for being a dog? I have a lot of respect for my vets and for some others I've met and dealt with, but not all of them are actually animal experts. Yes, they have medical knowledge, but no behavioural training or understanding.

OldNotWIse

muddypaws wrote: »

To defend the API posters - you bought the dog as a pup, and have said he has always been difficult to walk etc. So that would indicate that you didn't train him sufficiently, as that would be your responsiblity, a dog doesn't just know how to behave, they have to learn, and be taught humanely. Its a great way to teach children responsibility as well, getting them involved in training, feeding etc.

What you are seeing as rudeness, is actually frustration by people who see dogs being killed needlessly all of the time because people get them and then don't do the necessary training. Responsible ownership is hard work, unfortunately a lot of owners don't understand that, and it is always, always the dog that pays the price.

The reason people are advising against advertising him where you are, is that is where dog fighters get dogs from. You may think that as your dog isn't a bull breed, he'll be safe from that - unfortunately the opposite will be true, he could be used as a bait dog. This is where he would be used to training fighting dogs, maybe have his back legs tied together so that he can't get away from the dogs being trained. Maybe strung up over a run with fighting dogs in. Whatever, he will have a pain and fear filled end of his life. And the dog fighters won't turn up in a transit with signs on it, they may well turn up in a family car, possibly with children in tow to play at respectability.

As for your vet advocating killing him for being a dog? I have a lot of respect for my vets and for some others I've met and dealt with, but not all of them are actually animal experts. Yes, they have medical knowledge, but no behavioural training or understanding.

And let's not forget that some of our frustration stems from the fact that some of us have devoted a great deal of time and energy cleaning up other peoples mess in this regard.

buppydogs

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I haven't once been rude to you. I've simply pointed out the facts as you stated them. Had you pointed out in your first post that you have a new illness rather than he's too high maintenence then I might have worded my post slightly differently, more sympathetically perhaps - but the facts still stand, he didn't become a high maintenence escapologist overnight, his behaviour has developed over time because he wasn't lead trained, or neutered (an unneutered male can scale a sheer wall if he gets a whiff of a female in heat, even if she's miles away) and you stated yourself that he wasn't a house dog and that he had half an acre of garden. For most posters on this forum a dog is for life, unless there are catastrophic changes to their circumstances.

I actually think it's a good thing your rehoming him, because it is a huge risk to have a dog that now has a behavioural habit of escaping living in close proximity to livestock, and it's most likely a very difficult decision. But a lot of posters have given you good advice - ie get him neutered, go through a rescue and you're just getting worked up because you're focusing on the constructive criticism rather than the advice.

Yes a lot of posters as I said and thanked have given me good help and I appreciate it. I spoke with my vet this morning who feels neutering him will not stop him chasing animals to kill. He said the 2 are not proven to be connected. We had asked him about doing this before and he didn't see the point. I have 7 cats all rescues who I got neutered. Who I note are also not so safe with this dog. I also don't think someone should have to post their personal circumstances to get advice they need. The criticism is simply unhelpful. I want my dog to be happy and live if possible/. I am getting very conflicting replies. My rethinks he's better off put down as he said his behaviour has never been fixed with the training and he thinks he instinctively prefers the kill to anything else. I however would like to see if there is someone out there who has. Lot of enclosed land that can give him another chance. I hope I am doing the right thing, that at my plan Anyway. Thanks to the many people who offered not critical helpful advice.

andreac

Your vet hasnt a clue!!

Neutering is also to stop his wandering and also to stop back yard breeders from breeding him if they get him. Honest to god, i really feel so sorry for this poor dog who is possibly going to lose his life over your irresponsibility.

borderlinemeath

buppydogs wrote: »

Yes a lot of posters as I said and thanked have given me good help and I appreciate it. I spoke with my vet this morning who feels neutering him will not stop him chasing animals to kill. He said the 2 are not proven to be connected. We had asked him about doing this before and he didn't see the point. I have 7 cats all rescues who I got neutered. Who I note are also not so safe with this dog. I also don't think someone should have to post their personal circumstances to get advice they need. The criticism is simply unhelpful. I want my dog to be happy and live if possible/. I am getting very conflicting replies. My rethinks he's better off put down as he said his behaviour has never been fixed with the training and he thinks he instinctively prefers the kill to anything else. I however would like to see if there is someone out there who has. Lot of enclosed land that can give him another chance. I hope I am doing the right thing, that at my plan Anyway. Thanks to the many people who offered not critical helpful advice.

Nobody has once said that neutering him will curb his urge to chase other animals livestock.

Posters have stated that it is highly risky to rehome an unneutered dog. They are targets for puppy farmers to use as stud dogs. Reputable rescues will NEVER, EVER rehome an unneutered dog, and there is a far, far better chance of getting a decent rescue to help you rehome him if he's neutered. It's responsible pet ownership as dogs procreate indiscriminately with any other dog and then there's more unwanted puppies.

OldNotWIse

buppydogs wrote: »

Yes a lot of posters as I said and thanked have given me good help and I appreciate it. I spoke with my vet this morning who feels neutering him will not stop him chasing animals to kill. He said the 2 are not proven to be connected. We had asked him about doing this before and he didn't see the point. I have 7 cats all rescues who I got neutered. Who I note are also not so safe with this dog. I also don't think someone should have to post their personal circumstances to get advice they need. The criticism is simply unhelpful. I want my dog to be happy and live if possible/. I am getting very conflicting replies. My rethinks he's better off put down as he said his behaviour has never been fixed with the training and he thinks he instinctively prefers the kill to anything else. I however would like to see if there is someone out there who has. Lot of enclosed land that can give him another chance. I hope I am doing the right thing, that at my plan Anyway. Thanks to the many people who offered not critical helpful advice.

Now it's the cats. Again with dripfeeding information as it suits you. OP what advice are you even looking for at this stage? Just rehome the dog and be finished with the situation. Nobody will judge you for that. Dog doesn't need to be put to sleep. He needs a responsible owner. If you have him PTS you will be (further)punishing him for your own failures. Now, I'm out because this shít is way too depressing for me.

I hope it all works out...for the dog.

OldNotWIse

andreac wrote: »

Your vet hasnt a clue!!

Neutering is also to stop his wandering and also to stop back yard breeders from breeding him if they get him. Honest to god, i really feel so sorry for this poor dog who is possibly going to lose his life over your irresponsibility.

I am taking "what the vet said" with a pinch of salt.

kylith

buppydogs wrote: »

Yes a lot of posters as I said and thanked have given me good help and I appreciate it. I spoke with my vet this morning who feels neutering him will not stop him chasing animals to kill. He said the 2 are not proven to be connected. We had asked him about doing this before and he didn't see the point. I have 7 cats all rescues who I got neutered. Who I note are also not so safe with this dog. I also don't think someone should have to post their personal circumstances to get advice they need. The criticism is simply unhelpful. I want my dog to be happy and live if possible/. I am getting very conflicting replies. My rethinks he's better off put down as he said his behaviour has never been fixed with the training and he thinks he instinctively prefers the kill to anything else. I however would like to see if there is someone out there who has. Lot of enclosed land that can give him another chance. I hope I am doing the right thing, that at my plan Anyway. Thanks to the many people who offered not critical helpful advice.

Neutering will not stop him chasing livestock. What it will stop is him chasing after bitches in heat, which he can smell from miles away.

The dog is not better off PTS get him neutered and hand him over to a responsible rescue. Someone with some training ability will be able to teach him boundaries quite easily. If not then there are many, many dogs that are perfectly happy without being able to be allowed off-lead.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

buppydogs wrote: »

Hi all, I have a dog, aged about 6 now, goldendoodle big dog, family pet. He has taken to escaping (mcgyver would have nothing on him) anyway tonight he catch our hen and killed it and proceeded
To field with lambs and thankfully we caught him. Anyone any constructive suggestions. To be honest I'd be thinking of rehoming to more Experienced dog people. He's excellent with the family and the submissive of our 2 dogs. I'm in cork area, can anyone point me in the right direction. I've a very upset 5 year old with a dead hen and we are very afraid he'll go for the neighbours lambs etc. we want to do the right thing but would prefer not to put him down, if avoidable. Any help appreciated.

Oh my god, why are people like you allowed to own dogs? Do you exercise the dog? Is the dog alone all day? Is he bored? Have you spent enough time with him? If your child dropped a lamp would you put it up for adoption

muddypaws

I have siberian huskies, if they got out they too would kill cats, chickens and probably sheep, so they don't get out. They also are very strong dogs, who pull. None of these things make them bad dogs. In fact, I'm sorry to mention it again, but one of my dogs, who was actually caught in a field of sheep before he came to me, and who I know for a fact would kill a cat or a chicken if he got the chance, is going to Crufts next week, has been a canine blood donor and hopefully will be earning a working title this weekend.

Having a high prey drive does not make a dog bad, it makes them a dog. Have your cats never killed any wildlife? If they have, they are just acting like cats, yet when a dog acts like a dog, their punishment is rehoming, or usually, death.

If you are intent on rehoming the dog please, please get him neutered. You describe him as a goldendoodle, he's not, he's a cross breed, but puppy farmers and back yard breeders put these labels on crossbreeds to make more money, so yes, a puppy farmer could well take him and leave him in a shed and just use him for breeding to make money.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

buppydogs wrote: »

Our goldendoodle is very big and very boisterous. He's not a house dog, he has 1/2 an acre of fenced garden to himself and his doggy friend, a run within that area( that he sleeps In only- It's small ) a walled garden with fence Over head, I've spent a lot trying to get him to stay in! But thanks for your suggestions.

Did it come as a surprise to you that dogs grow? You know what? I think you should find that dog a new home with new owners who aren't idiots

_Brian

buppydogs wrote: »

Hi all, I have a dog, aged about 6 now, goldendoodle big dog, family pet. He has taken to escaping (mcgyver would have nothing on him) anyway tonight he catch our hen and killed it and proceeded
To field with lambs and thankfully we caught him. Anyone any constructive suggestions. To be honest I'd be thinking of rehoming to more Experienced dog people. He's excellent with the family and the submissive of our 2 dogs. I'm in cork area, can anyone point me in the right direction. I've a very upset 5 year old with a dead hen and we are very afraid he'll go for the neighbours lambs etc. we want to do the right thing but would prefer not to put him down, if avoidable. Any help appreciated.

If you can't figure out how to control the dog.

Have him put down.
Otherwise it's likely the farmer will shoot the dog AND you'll be paying compensation for lost sheep and lambs.

It's the better option rather than the dog being shot and more innocent animals being mauled to death.