Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Tenger

Ah, that makes sense. And GCF was still on the Qatar reg until a day or two after painting.

john boye

Tenger wrote: »

EI-GAJ, GCF, GEY, GCZ

Shouldnt the 3rd one also be EI-GEx? I thought the Irish reg was sequential.

I know I'm just being finicky and that it's ultimately meaningless but it'd be nice if the regs were in alphabetical order.

Bussywussy

john boye wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

EI-GAJ, GCF, GEY, GCZ

Shouldnt the 3rd one also be EI-GEx? I thought the Irish reg was sequential.

I know I'm just being finicky and that it's ultimately meaningless but it'd be nice if the regs were in alphabetical order.

I may be wrong and the short term one may be GEZ (deffo has a Z) so GEY and GEZ will be in order...the OCD in me finds it annoying too :-)

HTCOne

I used to like how EI registered its’ 330s with the IATA designators for destinations, EI-JFK, EI-ORD, EI-EWR, EI-LAX etc. I know you can’t re-use registrations on new aircraft but EI-YYZ, EI-MIA, EI-SFO, EI-IAD, EI-SEA etc could have been cool....in an extremely nerdy way.

marno21

HTCOne wrote: »

I used to like how EI registered its’ 330s with the IATA designators for destinations, EI-JFK, EI-ORD, EI-EWR, EI-LAX etc. I know you can’t re-use registrations on new aircraft but EI-YYZ, EI-MIA, EI-SFO, EI-IAD, EI-SEA etc could have been cool....in an extremely nerdy way.

They should register EI-LAS for the laugh and watch as another year of Las Vegas rumours fly across the Internet

Tenger

Phen2206 wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic! But

EI-GCF A333 was brand new from Airbus so didn't have a Qatari reg. EI-GEY is the first of the ex-Qatar aircraft, previously A7-ACH.......

Typo on my part. I never really read over posts made on phone while out and about.
Anyone know when EI-GEY starts flying? I didn’t see it on West Apron last week, (where GCF lived for a while) is it parked behind the hangers?

john boye

marno21 wrote: »

They should register EI-LAS for the laugh and watch as another year of Las Vegas rumours fly across the Internet

Please God NO!!!

Captain_Crash

HTCOne wrote: »

I know you can’t re-use registrations on new aircraft

EI-EWR left EI and became PK-YVI then 9M-XAD before coming back to EI and re-registered on the Irish registrar as EI-EWR again, so they can do it if they want.

L1011

Captain_Crash wrote: »

EI-EWR left EI and became PK-YVI then 9M-XAD before coming back to EI and re-registered on the Irish registrar as EI-EWR again, so they can do it if they want.

That's the same aircraft reusing a reg, not a different aircraft. That has happened too, though - the EI-ABI Iolar that is flying now is not the EI-ABI Iolar that was the original aircraft as it was written off decades ago.

goingnowhere

Registrations are assigned to the hull, so you can drop off the IAA reg and come back later and get your old one back. EI-CJX is another one that had a holiday in the US and UK before coming back home as it originally was a GPA owned aircraft

Exceptions are made in some cases so the Iolar which isn't the real Iolar got the Iolar reg

Out of order registrations are possible, EI-LBS/R/T were OH-LBS/R/T

It is kind of a pity the IATA codes are not used, EI-SEA, EI-PHL, EI-SFO, EI-MCO, EI-MIA would all be available...

Captain_Crash

L1011 wrote: »

That's the same aircraft reusing a reg, not a different aircraft. That has happened too, though - the EI-ABI Iolar that is flying now is not the EI-ABI Iolar that was the original aircraft as it was written off decades ago.

Yes that's true, what I was more getting at was that the IAA "can" do it... i.e, its not a computer says no issue, its a policy issue.

Personally I always loved the IATA reg's... Although I'm presuming were not including FNG in that group:p

basill

Think the plan was to test fly GEY a few days back and then it would be available. Plan was for it to fly to FAO, LIS and do an Atlantic rotation each week and on its free days/part days it would provide cover. The level of "cover" it would actually be able to provide to the AL operation would be dependent on crewing on the day in question eg: recover LHRs due cancelled flights for wx/tech issues etc.

adam88

Captain_Crash wrote: »

EI-EWR left EI and became PK-YVI then 9M-XAD before coming back to EI and re-registered on the Irish registrar as EI-EWR again, so they can do it if they want.

Was this leased out??? Would it have kept the interior while being used abroad

Bussywussy

adam88 wrote: »

Captain_Crash wrote: »

EI-EWR left EI and became PK-YVI then 9M-XAD before coming back to EI and re-registered on the Irish registrar as EI-EWR again, so they can do it if they want.

Was this leased out??? Would it have kept the interior while being used abroad

No went back to lessor who EI leased from,when it came back it got EI cabin in Bordeaux

L1011

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Yes that's true, what I was more getting at was that the IAA "can" do it... i.e, its not a computer says no issue, its a policy issue.

Personally I always loved the IATA reg's... Although I'm presuming were not including FNG in that group:p

FNJ in the 320 fleet would be a more off the wall one as IATA codes go!

Captain_Crash

L1011 wrote: »

FNJ in the 320 fleet would be a more off the wall one as IATA codes go!

Haha touché:D

Tenger

goingnowhere wrote: »

.......
It is kind of a pity the IATA codes are not used, EI-SEA, EI-PHL, EI-SFO, EI-MCO, EI-MIA would all be available...

On the 1 hand I do agree, they were quaint. And operationally the aircraft are referred to by the last two letters anyway.

However commercially it has its pitfalls. EI stopped operating to LAX and SFO for 6/4 years respectively (Might be wrong on that number though?)
Also imagine if they had gotten EI-DXB in the mid 2000s is might have been embarrassing to operate it as the ME carriers swamped Dublin with 777s!

FYI, current EI CEO was opposed to DUB-DXB route back in the day. He only saw North America as a viable market, so much so that he discounted immigration numbers from Thailand and Australia on Irish entrants.
Funny how EI ‘couldn’t make it work’ but now we have such a volume of traffic heading East through AUH/DXB.

JCX BXC

To be honest I dont think the registration codes on aircraft are particularly important. Most passengers won't care or even know that aircraft have them.

HTCOne

Captain_Crash wrote: »

EI-EWR left EI and became PK-YVI then 9M-XAD before coming back to EI and re-registered on the Irish registrar as EI-EWR again, so they can do it if they want.

You can only re-use former registrations for the same frame, not on a new one. So for example last I heard the former EI-JFK was flying for Shaheen Air. If it ever came back on the Irish register it would have to be EI-JFK again.

The reason the old registrations can’t be re-used is so if that all the paperwork for that airframe is unique if anyone ever wants to restore an old airframe to flying condition. Maintenance records etc need to be fully traceable.

Noxegon

L1011 wrote: »

FNJ in the 320 fleet would be a more off the wall one as IATA codes go!

I count that as the most obscure of the 240 airports I've travelled to

Tenger

JCX BXC wrote: »

To be honest I dont think the registration codes on aircraft are particularly important. Most passengers won't care or even know that aircraft have them.

I would agree. It’s purely of interest to spotters and similar avgeeks.

HTCOne

Tenger wrote: »

I would agree. It’s purely of interest to spotters and similar avgeeks.

Agreed. It’s like WOW air’s registrations all being words, TF-MOM, DAD etc, Virgin having ones like G-VSXY, G-VGAL, or BA registering their B744s with the Roman numerals for 400 and 777s with the numeral for 7. United have UA at the end of many of their registrations, Delta have DL on many. It’s a common little thing airlines do. Nerdy I know

Kcormahs

which month in 2019 are the four a321LR arriving? May? and any news on the routes they will be operating? I had read somewhere else everything would be announced early May? Any rumours?

zone 1

would i be right in saying when 321neo are not on TA flight they would be used on european flight

JCX BXC

zone 1 wrote: »

would i be right in saying when 321neo are not on TA flight they would be used on european flight

No.

A321 Neo are a 757 replacement, and will only be used on Transatlantic unless they use it on a route like Dublin-Malaga, which I can't foresee.

LXFlyer

JCX BXC wrote: »

No.

A321 Neo are a 757 replacement, and will only be used on Transatlantic unless they use it on a route like Dublin-Malaga, which I can't foresee.

I wouldn’t be that sure at all about that.

At one of Mike Rutter’s press conferences he did suggest they might be used on first wave European flights thereby maintaining the business class product through Dublin.

JCX BXC

LXFlyer wrote: »

I wouldn’t be that sure at all about that.

At one of Mike Rutter’s press conferences he did suggest they might be used on first wave European flights thereby maintaining the business class product through Dublin.

Really?

What would be the point in purchasing aircraft for Transalantic ops, and then not using them on such?

goingnowhere

Well 7 hours there, 7 hours back, 2 hours at each end to turn around gives you 18 hours, so 6 hours free which is going to be between 4am onwards

So plenty of time to get to LHR/CDG/AMS/FRA/DUS/BRU/MUC/BER etc and back

marno21

JCX BXC wrote: »

Really?

What would be the point in purchasing aircraft for Transalantic ops, and then not using them on such?

Use them on both

As an exampe using current schedule:

EI130 arrives from BDL at 0515
EI402 departs for FCO at 0620
EI403 arrives from FCO at 1335
EI131 departs for BDL at 1420

That's obviously a tight example but the aircraft could easily be deployed on morning Europe flights, especially shorter runs to the UK/France/Benelux et

LXFlyer

JCX BXC wrote: »

Really?

What would be the point in purchasing aircraft for Transalantic ops, and then not using them on such?

Read my post again. I meant that they would be used on European flights between transatlantic legs thereby offering a consistent business class product to transit passengers.