Bouncer , Door Security using his job for personal problems??

Vanessa2003

Bouncer questions?

Hi there
i would like to know ye opinions about door security people and they rights?
I had relationship with bouncer girlfriend 4 years ago , nothing major, but since nothing !
Recently he got married to that girl and find out about us went mad came into my home threating that he is going to kill me
if I ever text or talk to her again !
i went mad as he attacect me and broke doors so I throw him out and said if he comes one more time into my property attacking me I will ' kill' him ( kill as not be as nice as this time ) so he get scared and run away !

So last Saturday I went out with friends to socialise in club and he was at door , did t let me in and said I am barred for life !
When I asked why , as I never been barred from anyplace in my whole life as I don t make trouble and 'hate' people who causes trouble when drunk or not he said because you threaten me and if you apologise to me and to my wife??
I will let you in !
i was like wtf , did t say nothing as thinking maybe he is trying to provoke me to trouble and went away!
Now problem here is I live in small place where is only one club and I am 34 years old and like sometimes go out with wife and friends like NewYear , birthdays or occasion like that , (Valentines day) ....but now I can t because he is jealous and he knows I am not afraid of him so pathetically uses his job to hurt me !

Has he right to do that or not , and what can I do to stop him , I mean is there is other way then taking him to court ?
Thank you?

Ps
I hope this is right thread if not remove
Thank you

super_furry

Why didn't you call the police when he broke into your house?

Generic Dreadhead

That needs a formatting, grammar, punctuation edit.... I'm not sure who is who

But sounds like you should have went to the guards or write his employer an anonymous letter saying he is letting his personal issues with women influence who he does / does not allow access to the club

Miaireland

Ring and speak to the manager and make him aware of the situation.

Stheno

Sounds like there's a pair of you in it, you threaten him, then try to gain entry to a place he works, and he says no.

I'd say it's fair enough on his part

Specialun

Im confused

Is op a woman or a man...

scudzilla

Another Doorman thread.....great :rolleyes:

Karl Stein

Build a boat out of reeds and cross the ocean to start a new life.

Generic Dreadhead

#BuncranaProblems

pcardin

Specialun wrote: »

Im confused

Is op a woman or a man...

A man, logged in from bouncer girlfriend's wife's account :pac:

ScumLord

He can stop you but you can make issue with it and tell his employer that he kicked in your door.

You should have called the police and got him to pay for your door. If you did and it's on record go to his employer or a solicitor about harassment.

Vanessa2003

I did but it takes time apparently reported to Garda

Vanessa2003

Cormac... wrote: »

That needs a formatting, grammar, punctuation edit.... I'm not sure who is who

But sounds like you should have went to the guards or write his employer an anonymous letter saying he is letting his personal issues with women influence who he does / does not allow access to the club

Sorry about gramma , English isn't my first language
I went to guards that night as they were parked outside club , but she said take solicitor
And I contactet owner but no answer yet

Generic Dreadhead

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

I am 34 years old

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

English isn't my first language

Well..... Hello Vanessa

joking

Vanessa2003

So he has right to refuse entry whoever he wants without reason at all!
So does Garda have same rights to refuse entry if you in need just because they don t like you , hospitals as well , supermarkets can refuse you buy bread and milk as you might kiss his wife 10 years ago, Car Insurance as well because you look like you might cause traffic accident in future ?
Or just bouncers have such power in Ireland ?
I am bit mad and confused as I have daughter that is in
Last year of her primary school , so she could stay uneducated as secundary school have rights to refuse her....

super_furry

Nightclubs reserve the right of entry. They can pretty much stop you for any reason they want.

You'll never win an argument with a bouncer about getting in if they don't want you to.

Stheno

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

So he has right to refuse entry whoever he wants without reason at all!
So does Garda have same rights to refuse entry if you in need just because they don t like you , hospitals as well , supermarkets can refuse you buy bread and milk as you might kiss his wife 10 years ago, Car Insurance as well because you look like you might cause traffic accident in future ?
Or just bouncers have such power in Ireland ?
I am bit mad and confused as I have daughter that is in
Last year of her primary school , so she could stay uneducated as secundary school have rights to refuse her....

Any business can refuse you entry if they wish to.

Access to education is a slightly different matter.

Vanessa2003

ScumLord wrote: »

He can stop you but you can make issue with it and tell his employer that he kicked in your door.

You should have called the police and got him to pay for your door. If you did and it's on record go to his employer or a solicitor about harassment.

Basically I can not do anything without prosecuting him (taking case to court)
Thanks for answer mate

FTA69

Your man sounds like a complete loser and thankfully I never worked with too many of his ilk while doing door work. Personally I just wouldn't bother with the place and take my business elsewhere but if it's really an issue it might be worth ringing the place during the day, making an appointment to see the manager and speaking to them about it. The cops aren't going to give a sh*t about the matter as it doesn't concern them.

That having been said, him breaking into your gaff is definitely a police matter and one they can pursue if you've got evidence such as witnesses etc. If you report something like that (an aggravated burglary) they're obliged to investigate and will pick him up.

super_furry

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

Basically I can not do anything without prosecuting him (taking case to court)

Why wouldn't you if he broke into your house?

6541

Yes as stated previously the best course of action is to cut reeds and build a boat and then go on an amazing adventure.

ScumLord

super_furry wrote: »

Nightclubs reserve the right of entry. They can pretty much stop you for any reason they want.

The nightclub can set policies and make that decision but the bouncer can't really do anything but apply his training and company policy. The bouncer shouldn't be bring his personal problems to work turning away genuine customers. I'm sure the nightclub owner wouldn't like to know one of the people their paying big money for are turning away customers because they broke into the customers house and don't want to face them.

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

Basically I can not do anything without prosecuting him (taking case to court)
Thanks for answer mate

Well yes, you can't proceed until you get that situation on the record. If you're not going to do anything about him breaking into your house then he can just keep baring you.

Stheno

ScumLord wrote: »

The nightclub can set policies and make that decision but the bouncer can't really do anything but apply his training and company policy. The bouncer shouldn't be bring his personal problems to work turning away genuine customers. I'm sure the nightclub owner wouldn't like to know one of the people their paying big money for are turning away customers because they broke into the customers house and don't want to face them.

Well yes, you can't proceed until you get that situation on the record. If you're not going to do anything about him breaking into your house then he can just keep baring you.

It sounds like OP let him into their home and then he (the bouncer) did the damage in the house

ScumLord

Stheno wrote: »

It sounds like OP let him into their home and then he (the bouncer) did the damage in the house

That doesn't really matter, an invitation to enter a home isn't an invitation to be violent.

Stheno

ScumLord wrote: »

That doesn't really matter, an invitation to enter a home isn't an invitation to be violent.

No agreed, from OP it also sounds like the guards took no interest

Big Davey

You should start sleeping with all the other bouncers on the club make them fall in love with you and then get them to turn on the bad guy and kick the crap out of him.
Video it and put it on you tube.
The fact you did not call the Gardai is very odd and there is more to this than meets the eye.
Was it an affair ? While they were married ?
He is obviously trying to prove something to someone.
And yes bouncers can do pretty much what they like in this country and if their employer dares to question a decision they let a load of toe rags in the next night just to prove a point.
They are disliked by many for a reason you would be better to find a nice wine bar somewhere and pick up a nice irish man and not be parading in front of this fool to show him what he lost.
Lots of sweeping statements there but it is after hours lol
A real question should be in the legal forum...................

Vanessa2003

I disagree that bouncer can abuse me by not letting in , embarrassing in front of my family and friends and town itself as people will think' you can t go to club you are trouble maker' , coming into my house with attention to hurt me , breaking living room doors as that will make my life hard in town I live and people will think why to give him employment if he is barred from club , making my life nightmare just because he can as he has rights , I will take solicitor and sie for mental stress, trauma, harassment, abuse , breaking into property and if club owner does t answer my official letter I will take action vs him as well , as in my eyes he is the one who decide to Barr me from public premesis for no reason at all....
And then I will find out has he right to do whatever he want or not - only way!
I if I lose well, but if i Win I will demand him to be strip of security license as well

Vanessa2003

Big Davey wrote: »

You should start sleeping with all the other bouncers on the club make them fall in love with you and then get them to turn on the bad guy and kick the crap out of him.
Video it and put it on you tube.
The fact you did not call the Gardai is very odd and there is more to this than meets the eye.
Was it an affair ? While they were married ?
He is obviously trying to prove something to someone.
And yes bouncers can do pretty much what they like in this country and if their employer dares to question a decision they let a load of toe rags in the next night just to prove a point.
They are disliked by many for a reason you would be better to find a nice wine bar somewhere and pick up a nice irish man and not be parading in front of this fool to show him what he lost.
Lots of sweeping statements there but it is after hours lol
A real question should be in the legal forum...................

Is it possible to remove this thread to legal forum, Thanks @moderators

coopdog85

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

Bouncer questions?

Hi there
i would like to know ye opinions about door security people and they rights?
I had relationship with bouncer girlfriend 4 years ago , nothing major, but since nothing !
Recently he got married to that girl and find out about us went mad came into my home threating that he is going to kill me
if I ever text or talk to her again !
i went mad as he attacect me and broke doors so I throw him out and said if he comes one more time into my property attacking me I will ' kill' him ( kill as not be as nice as this time ) so he get scared and run away !

So last Saturday I went out with friends to socialise in club and he was at door , did t let me in and said I am barred for life !
When I asked why , as I never been barred from anyplace in my whole life as I don t make trouble and 'hate' people who causes trouble when drunk or not he said because you threaten me and if you apologise to me and to my wife??
I will let you in !
i was like wtf , did t say nothing as thinking maybe he is trying to provoke me to trouble and went away!
Now problem here is I live in small place where is only one club and I am 34 years old and like sometimes go out with wife and friends like NewYear , birthdays or occasion like that , (Valentines day) ....but now I can t because he is jealous and he knows I am not afraid of him so pathetically uses his job to hurt me !

Has he right to do that or not , and what can I do to stop him , I mean is there is other way then taking him to court ?
Thank you?

Ps
I hope this is right thread if not remove
Thank you

I actually stopped reading this not even 2 sentences in. Learn how to write a properly structured post & maybe I can offer you some advice.

Chucken

coopdog85 wrote: »

I actually stopped reading this not even 2 sentences in. Learn how to write a properly structured post & maybe I can offer you some advice.

The Op has said English isn't their first language. Cop on.

Vanessa2003

coopdog85 wrote: »

I actually stopped reading this not even 2 sentences in. Learn how to write a properly structured post & maybe I can offer you some advice.

I am actually happy with my second language and 3th as well,
I hope you speak second language ?
Trust me it is good to have second , third , more is better for you?

The_Valeyard

Next week on Red Rock!

stimpson

coopdog85 wrote: »

I actually stopped reading this not even 2 sentences in. Learn how to write a properly structured post & maybe I can offer you some advice.

The first sentence in your post is not properly structured.

Desolation Of Smug

Is there anything to be said for a fake moustache and sunglasses? Sneak in past the fecker. He's probably not the brightest anyway.

KCC

Op: you should be more worried about his attack on you than getting into the club.

If you are telling us the full story, then it is clear that the appropriate course of action is to make a statement to the police. You would be amazed at how quickly a bully will back off once they know they will face justice.

Vanessa2003

KCC wrote: »

Op: you should be more worried about his attack on you than getting into the club.

If you are telling us the full story, then it is clear that the appropriate course of action is to make a statement to the police. You would be amazed at how quickly a bully will back off once they know they will face justice.

Well I am not wary about his attack as he tried and retreated , plus I reported this to Garda but yes I wary about getting into club as it is only club in my town , and I wanna to be able to
Go and social, as we are social beings as well as individuals, and don't wanna reputation of troublemaker when my friends go to birthday parties , New Years.... And so on and I am not allowed to join them as Bouncer dislike me!

todders

Your own fault op.

You rode around with someone who was in a relationship and get pissed off when there are consequences.

Don't **** on your own doorstep

Grow up.

hynesie08

Maybe you shouldn't have rode his missus?

Vanessa2003

Not consider my case but interesting read about bouncers rights / opposed of what said here

Nightclub / Bouncer Liability | LegalMatch Law Library

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/nightclubbouncer-liability.html

Vanessa2003

hynesie08 wrote: »

Maybe you shouldn't have rode his missus?

If I known that he has more power then Gardi I wouldt

kingchess

You could try walking in backwards and tell the bouncer you are leaving??,Bouncers are usually not very sharp and that trick might work.

Vanessa2003

kingchess wrote: »

You could try walking in backwards and tell the bouncer you are leaving??,Bouncers are usually not very sharp and that trick might work.

Haha

BetterThanThou

Bouncers can't be dealt with unfortunately. In general, bouncers get complained about a lot, but it is usually unjustified, in general it's an assumed drunk person's word against the bouncer's. I've made email complaints about 3 bouncers that have refused me on different nights in different clubs, of those 3 emails, not one even got a response back, one was even to a dedicated complaints address. Calling the night club probably has a small chance of working, but I wouldn't count on it.

Big Davey

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

I disagree that bouncer can abuse me by not letting in , embarrassing in front of my family and friends and town itself as people will think' you can t go to club you are trouble maker' , coming into my house with attention to hurt me , breaking living room doors as that will make my life hard in town I live and people will think why to give him employment if he is barred from club , making my life nightmare just because he can as he has rights , I will take solicitor and sie for mental stress, trauma, harassment, abuse , breaking into property and if club owner does t answer my official letter I will take action vs him as well , as in my eyes he is the one who decide to Barr me from public premesis for no reason at all....
And then I will find out has he right to do whatever he want or not - only way!
I if I lose well, but if i Win I will demand him to be strip of security license as well

If you loose you may be many thousands out of pocket aswell as being barred.
Don't trust solicitors as they will take some cases on no win no fee BUT you may still go down court costs which could be thousands.
On a serious note if you are that bothered about this and what you are saying is true.
Write everything down that happened get any witnesses you can and go to the local Garda station and ask to speek to a senior officer and at the least have all incidents logs in the book.
It may help you if this harassment continues.

Big Davey

KCC wrote: »

Op: you should be more worried about his attack on you than getting into the club.

If you are telling us the full story, then it is clear that the appropriate course of action is to make a statement to the police. You would be amazed at how quickly a bully will back off once they know they will face justice.

Really ?
Justice ?
Gardai ?

Big Davey

Ohhhhh your a bloke ?
That changes things :-)
Start taking steroids and working out traing in bare knuckle boxing and challenge him to a straightener this time next year.
Start a blog keep us updated and put the fight on you tube.
Good luck

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

Bouncer questions?

Hi there
i would like to know ye opinions about door security people and they rights?
I had relationship with bouncer girlfriend 4 years ago , nothing major, but since nothing !
Recently he got married to that girl and find out about us went mad came into my home threating that he is going to kill me
if I ever text or talk to her again !
i went mad as he attacect me and broke doors so I throw him out and said if he comes one more time into my property attacking me I will ' kill' him ( kill as not be as nice as this time ) so he get scared and run away !

So last Saturday I went out with friends to socialise in club and he was at door , did t let me in and said I am barred for life !
When I asked why , as I never been barred from anyplace in my whole life as I don t make trouble and 'hate' people who causes trouble when drunk or not he said because you threaten me and if you apologise to me and to my wife??
I will let you in !
i was like wtf , did t say nothing as thinking maybe he is trying to provoke me to trouble and went away!
Now problem here is I live in small place where is only one club and I am 34 years old and like sometimes go out with wife and friends like NewYear , birthdays or occasion like that , (Valentines day) ....but now I can t because he is jealous and he knows I am not afraid of him so pathetically uses his job to hurt me !

Has he right to do that or not , and what can I do to stop him , I mean is there is other way then taking him to court ?
Thank you?

Ps
I hope this is right thread if not remove
Thank you

RDM_83 again

todders wrote: »

Your own fault op.

You rode around with someone who was in a relationship and get pissed off when there are consequences.

Don't **** on your own doorstep

Grow up.

I believe the part of this story that a bouncer is barring you from a club because of previous stuff with his GF/Wife, what I don't believe is the rest of it.

Puts on Sherlock Holmes hat.

I don't think you have reported anything to the Garda about him coming to your house or want to inform anybody else about why your being refused entry to this place.
I think 4 years ago you had an affair with his now wife, you've got a kid of say 11 ish and you mention a wife in your first post, that and the other stuff makes me think you did the dirt too and so don't want to go through the easier channels.*

*Obviously he could have a non traditional family or a multiple of other reasons, none of them are as likely as this though.

Big Davey

Vanessa2003 wrote: »

If I known that he has more power then Gardi I wouldt

Tell him you have recorded riding his bird on video and it will go viral if you are not free in the club for life.

Vanessa2003

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Bouncers can't be dealt with unfortunately. In general, bouncers get complained about a lot, but it is usually unjustified, in general it's an assumed drunk person's word against the bouncer's. I've made email complaints about 3 bouncers that have refused me on different nights in different clubs, of those 3 emails, not one even got a response back, one was even to a dedicated complaints address. Calling the night club probably has a small chance of working, but I wouldn't count on it.

I wast drunk , didn't say word to him that night , camera is at doors, didn't even know he ll be there, and Garda car was parked just beside , and I left pecefully !
And went to Gards to ask about it next day , so drunkes is not issue!
But I have spent over 10 years in that club never problems , not a thing, organised most of my and misses birthday partys at pub (part of club) and all of sudden he refused entrence , I call that harassment!

Dog of Tears

Ask him if you can gain entry via the back door.

Like his girlfriend offered you.

Vanessa2003

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I believe the part of this story that a bouncer is barring you from a club because of previous stuff with his GF/Wife, what I don't believe is the rest of it.

Puts on Sherlock Holmes hat.

I don't think you have reported anything to the Garda about him coming to your house or want to inform anybody else about why your being refused entry to this place.
I think 4 years ago you had an affair with his now wife, you've got a kid of say 11 ish and you mention a wife in your first post, that and the other stuff makes me think you did the dirt too and so don't want to go through the easier channels.*

*Obviously he could have a non traditional family or a multiple of other reasons, none of them are as likely as this though.

Well if you say so , just to ask is it allowed to name and shame on here , so if I am lier he sue me for defamation