Trolling 101 & Mod misinterpretation

Shiraz 4.99 · 12-02-2015 9:02am #1

Trolling: posting with the vindictive intent to antagonise fellow users;

Not to be confused with: Craic, banter, stirring the pot, humour

I think we've all learned something here.

OldGoat · 12-02-2015 9:05am

Troll

Shiraz 4.99 · 12-02-2015 9:10am

OldGoat wrote: »

Troll

Ah ha, that's where you'd be wrong, I'm more an educator, a teacher if you will, that figure you once looked up to but now is gone

OldGoat · 12-02-2015 9:23am

It's just a matter of interpretation. I see your post as being antagonistic therefore it's trollish. You perfer to see it as banter.

Here be dragons and this is why there are so many argumen...discussions about modding.

The Hill Billy · 12-02-2015 9:23am

Like Plato or Aristotle? OG would remember those lads well from his college days.

OldGoat · 12-02-2015 9:26am

When me and ol' Aristi used go on the pish...good times, good times.

Shiraz 4.99 · 12-02-2015 9:41am

Enough with your celebratory circle jerk & secret handshake, more about how right I am please

OldGoat · 12-02-2015 9:48am

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Enough with your celebratory circle jerk & secret handshake, more about how right I am please

I'll chose to interpret that as "Craic, banter, stirring the pot, humour".

Melodeon · 12-02-2015 10:59am

OldGoat wrote: »

When me and ol' Aristi used go on the pish...good times, good times.

He was "a bugger for the bottle", so I've heard.

kneemos · 12-02-2015 12:47pm

Write what you like,just put a smiley face at the end.

Penn · 12-02-2015 2:56pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Trolling: posting with the vindictive intent to antagonise fellow users;

Not to be confused with: Craic, banter, stirring the pot, humour

I think we've all learned something here.

http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/stir+the+pot.html
To stir the pot is to agitate a situation to cause a reaction or trouble.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trolling
Digital Technology, Informal.
to post inflammatory or inappropriate messages or comments on (the Internet, especially a message board) for the purpose of upsetting other users and provoking a response.
to upset or provoke (other users) by posting such messages or comments.

Not sure if we have learnt a little something here.

And I'm not trolling you by pointing this out. After all, it's just "banter"

Shiraz 4.99 · 12-02-2015 3:46pm

Why must the forum be policed to the standards of it's weakest most over-sensitive members ?.
One report sets off an alarm while 20 wry chuckles go unheard.
It's all a recipe for poor sanitized PC debate & nobody is here for that now are they.
We can do better, we must do better.

El Weirdo · 12-02-2015 5:09pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Why must the forum be policed to the standards of it's weakest most over-sensitive members ?.
One report sets off an alarm while 20 wry chuckles go unheard.
It's all a recipe for poor sanitized PC debate & nobody is here for that now are they.
We can do better, we must do better.

You do realise that not every report claiming trolling is actioned, don't you?

Turtwig · 12-02-2015 6:11pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

You do realise that not every report claiming trolling is actioned, don't you?

Shh, it's only a few steps from pointing that out to them to them figuring out that no report is actioned on.

GalwayGuitar · 12-02-2015 6:13pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Why must the forum be policed to the standards of it's weakest most over-sensitive members ?.
One report sets off an alarm while 20 wry chuckles go unheard.
It's all a recipe for poor sanitized PC debate & nobody is here for that now are they.
We can do better, we must do better.

I hear ya. There can be no craic because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt.

Boards.ie: A Sharia controlled zone, no fun allowed.

Shiraz 4.99 · 12-02-2015 6:27pm

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

I hear ya. There can be no craic because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt.

Boards.ie: A Sharia controlled zone, no fun allowed.

Mod Note: Humour attempted while outlawed in the charter.
Please take time to familairise yoursef with the charter, say 3 Our Fathers & do the Angelus bongs backwards.
Thread closed cause that's the why.

Gits_bone · 12-02-2015 11:47pm

You can't have an opinion in the minority these days.

When facebook spread to the developing world it gave them a voice, it changed the world.

Boards should be like that, instead opinions are shot down.

Take for example a gay marriage debate. If I was to say I hate gays and it's disgusting I'd probably get infracted but if that's someones opinion it's their opinion. Therefore the true spread of opinions are not shown, only the opinions that are deemed to be ok.

And the sarcastic replies in this thread is boards in a nutshell.

Insect Overlord · 13-02-2015 12:13am

For the love of all that is good, please stop. Please.

Thanks.

Turtwig · 13-02-2015 12:14am

Should the opinion that a boardsie is a pedophile be allowed to be published? Nope, it shouldn't. There is no such thing as free speech. Minority opinion has little to do with it. 86% of this country identifies as Catholic. Yet, there's a strong anti Catholic sentiment. Because of current civil laws homophobia is given a good deal more rope than racism. But yes if you expressed a hatred of gays you'd be infracted. Worth pointing out that you can argue for or against gay marriage without expressing hatred of either side. It's called civil constructive discussion.

Zaph · 13-02-2015 1:23am

Gits_bone wrote: »

If I was to say I hate gays and it's disgusting I'd probably get infracted but if that's someones opinion it's their opinion.

It's nothing to do with the opinion, it's the manner in which it's conveyed that would earn the infraction. Replace the word gays with redheads or trainspotters and it's no less insulting to a different section of society. Expressing an opinion is all well and good, but we do expect that people do so in a constructive and non-offensive manner.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 8:59am

Gits_bone wrote: »

You can't have an opinion in the minority these days.

Take for example a gay marriage debate. If I was to say I hate gays and it's disgusting I'd probably get infracted but if that's someones opinion it's their opinion. Therefore the true spread of opinions are not shown, only the opinions that are deemed to be ok.

Holy hijack Batman, way to derail my thread
I'm on about the misdiagnosis of trolling by mods not the protection of less popular opinions.
I'm pretty sure ionachat.ie isn't full of pro-choice atheist shinners.

Now back to matters at hand, a full & grovelling apology of every mod who has ever mistakenly called me a troll during a rabid infraction frenzy.
Line up quick please, I'm sure you all need to get back to protecting your cliques & closing threads of contrary opinion.

OldGoat · 13-02-2015 9:51am

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Now back to matters at hand, a full & grovelling apology of every mod who has ever mistakenly called me a troll during a rabid infraction frenzy.
Line up quick please, I'm sure you all need to get back to protecting your cliques & closing threads of contrary opinion.

Troll, again.

Trolling: posting with the vindictive intent to antagonise fellow users

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 10:13am

What do you do in work or at home when someone has a joke at your expense.
You'll find yellow cards or thread closing don't work in the real world.
Actually no, you should try to issue an infraction, bring up the charter then turn the smug up to 11 & talk in bold.
Then they'll really look up to you, I promise.

Tokyo · 13-02-2015 11:02am

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

What do you do in work or at home when someone has a joke at your expense.
You'll find yellow cards or thread closing don't work in the real world.
Actually no, you should try to issue an infraction, bring up the charter then turn the smug up to 11 & talk in bold.
Then they'll really look up to you, I promise.

Well to use the above example, walk into your office later today and tell them how you hate gay marriage and think that the whole gay thing is disgusting, but that it's okay because it's your opinion. I imagine that a trip to HR would be on the cards pretty quickly.

As has been mentioned already, having an opinion, even a negative one, does not warrant an automatic infraction - it's all down to how you present your argument. And the sad reality is that most of these arguments immediately spiral downwards into the usual bile, and nobody here should have to stand for it. It really is that simple.

kneemos · 13-02-2015 11:23am

In the Christianity Forum saying you think being gay is wrong, and a lot worse would be fairly normal I'd think.

Often struck me that if it's under the umbrella of religious belief bigotry and prejudice gets a free pass.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 11:51am

OldGoat wrote: »

Oh wait, this thread was a joke? ****, I missed that. Perhaps because it was started in Feedback...and you opened with a dig at moderators, all moderators.

Am I wrong?

I'll give you feedback if you want it.

Your system of policing is seriously flawed, the volunteer moderation system does not work, it only serves to create cliques & frustrate opposition posters.
I have 1,000's of posts on F365, Reddit, Politics.ie, Peoples Republic of Cork & have never even seen or heard of an infraction.
In this place you attempt to make a joke & the Stasi are in like a shot.
Perhaps it's easier to call everyone a troll when you have zero ability in your job.

C'mon now, surely I'm overdue my 20th yellow card, 15th infraction, 5th banning, 6th re-reg, cause this system really works.

Insect Overlord · 13-02-2015 11:52am

17 years.

OldGoat · 13-02-2015 11:53am

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'll give you feedback if you want it.

Your system of policing is seriously flawed, the volunteer moderation system does not work, it only serves to create cliques & frustrate opposition posters.
I have 1,000's of posts on F365, Reddit, Politics.ie, Peoples Republic of Cork & have never even seen or heard of an infraction.
In this place you attempt to make a joke & the Stasi are in like a shot.
Perhaps it's easier to call everyone a troll when you have zero ability in your job.

C'mon now, surely I'm overdue my 20th yellow card, 15th infraction, 5th banning, 6th re-reg, cause this system really works.

Note of clarification. I had just deleted my post above before I saw it quoted in this post. I re-thought my post and decided that I didn't want to further fuel a seemingly pointless discussion. However, in the meantime Shiraz had quoted my post.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 12:24pm

An File wrote: »

17 years.

A rather arbitrary figure don't you think, I'll need to see some workings

Gits_bone · 13-02-2015 12:41pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'll give you feedback if you want it.

Your system of policing is seriously flawed, the volunteer moderation system does not work, it only serves to create cliques & frustrate opposition posters.
I have 1,000's of posts on F365, Reddit, Politics.ie, Peoples Republic of Cork & have never even seen or heard of an infraction.
In this place you attempt to make a joke & the Stasi are in like a shot.
Perhaps it's easier to call everyone a troll when you have zero ability in your job.

C'mon now, surely I'm overdue my 20th yellow card, 15th infraction, 5th banning, 6th re-reg, cause this system really works.

Boards are making a loss (so I believe) so will have to try and think of a way to keep posters.

K-9 · 13-02-2015 12:43pm

Seems other sites are for you then, big deal. You have the freedom to choose what you like, nobody forces anybody to like or stay on the site.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 1:26pm

K-9 wrote: »

Seems other sites are for you then, big deal. You have the freedom to choose what you like, nobody forces anybody to like or stay on the site.

Ok, we'll put that in the maybe pile . . . I've a better suggestion you'll be delighted to hear.
All mods should take a 2 week break, not even to post as normal punters as the bold blue puts the sh*ts up some people.
See how threads develop naturally then take a poll of the users once the experiment is over, let their decision dictate future mod policy.
Obviously retain a couple of super-mods just to delete libel & keep the meter running.

If that doesn't float your boat then consider creating an After Hours style thread that is modless.
The Helen Lovejoys will know to keep their over sensitive noses out of it.

All of the above makes so much sense that it's bound to be ignored.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-02-2015 1:44pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Ok, we'll put that in the maybe pile . . . I've a better suggestion you'll be delighted to hear.
All mods should take a 2 week break, not even to post as normal punters as the bold blue puts the sh*ts up some people.
See how threads develop naturally then take a poll of the users once the experiment is over, let their decision dictate future mod policy.
Obviously retain a couple of super-mods just to delete libel & keep the meter running.

If that doesn't float your boat then consider creating an After Hours style thread that is modless.
The Helen Lovejoys will know to keep their over sensitive noses out of it.

All of the above makes so much sense that it's bound to be ignored.

An unmodded boards.ie wouldn't last 2 weeks

I think it's 4chan you are looking for.

Mrs OBumble · 13-02-2015 2:10pm

Saying that someone is "trolling" is about as meaningless as saying they're "sound" or "bold".

Basically it translates as "I don't like what you do/say".

There's rudeness. There's breaking the law. Anything else is just expressing an opinion. Maybe one that other people don't like and may react to in predictable ways. But that's the other people's behavioural choice, not the posters.

Irish Aris · 13-02-2015 2:12pm

in places like soccer, that experiment wouldn't last a day, never mind 2 weeks.

Irish Aris · 13-02-2015 2:18pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Saying that someone is "trolling" is about as meaningless as saying they're "sound" or "bold".

Basically it translates as "I don't like what you do/say".

There's rudeness. There's breaking the law. Anything else is just expressing an opinion. Maybe one that other people don't like and may react to in predictable ways. But that's the other people's behavioural choice, not the posters.

for me it is also how you express your opinion, what language you use.
For example, I would very rarely view/post on After Hours, because things tend to be a bit more "bold".
But there are certain threads I follow (namely Music, LGBT and a couple of the regional) that people disagree in a meaningful way, not just to provoke reactions.

The Hill Billy · 13-02-2015 2:19pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Saying that someone is "trolling" is about as meaningless as saying they're "sound" or "bold".

Basically it translates as "I don't like what you do/say".

I disagree. To me it means "You are being a dick & your comments are likely to piss off other posters."

The Hill Billy · 13-02-2015 2:22pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'll give you feedback if you want it.

Your system of policing is seriously flawed, the volunteer moderation system does not work, it only serves to create cliques & frustrate opposition posters.
I have 1,000's of posts on F365, Reddit, Politics.ie, Peoples Republic of Cork & have never even seen or heard of an infraction.
In this place you attempt to make a joke & the Stasi are in like a shot.
Perhaps it's easier to call everyone a troll when you have zero ability in your job.

C'mon now, surely I'm overdue my 20th yellow card, 15th infraction, 5th banning, 6th re-reg, cause this system really works.

Why not contest your cards/bans in DRP? If it is because you don't agree with overall boards 'policing policy' maybe this isn't the site for you.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 2:43pm

The Hill Billy wrote: »

Why not contest your cards/bans in DRP? If it is because you don't agree with overall boards 'policing policy' maybe this isn't the site for you.

I have done DRP in the past, proved to be an utter waste of time.

Mods back up mods, it's human nature to protect your own, we all do it.

hullaballoo · 13-02-2015 2:45pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I have done DRP in the past, proved to be an utter waste of time.

Mods back up mods, it's human nature to protect your own, we all do it.

I own other mods? First I've heard of it. And as it happens, I disagree with that on a moral level. Each to their own.

Each to their very own.

Into The Blue · 13-02-2015 4:51pm

I think boards has a bit of an identity crisis.
The busiest forum, AH, is the one where posters go knowing there's smart answers, sarcasm, rereg trolls, light hearted pub banter...

The less popular niche (serious discussion?) forums are the standard boards would like to be at, but it's just not your demographic. Over sensitive modding breeds over sensitive posters.. The wingers moan cause they know they'll get an ear..

Cut down on the cards, infractions and banning and you'll see less reports as posters learn to just take it on the chin.

Gits_bone · 13-02-2015 5:06pm

Irish Aris wrote: »

in places like soccer, that experiment wouldn't last a day, never mind 2 weeks.

That's because of cliques all reporting posts they don't like.

Irish Aris · 13-02-2015 6:37pm

Gits_bone wrote: »

That's because of cliques all reporting posts they don't like.

what cliques?

Gits_bone · 13-02-2015 6:38pm

Irish Aris wrote: »

what cliques?

The ones in the SF.

The Hill Billy · 13-02-2015 8:02pm

Those Sinn Féin lads are fierce cliquey all right. :pac:

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 8:42pm

Irish Aris wrote: »

what cliques?

There is one very popular forum here where I decided to question the perceived wisdom on a popular matter.
I got set upon by the local sewing circle so I fought my corner until the mod came in & deleted my posts lest someone might act on it.
I laughed it off until my inbox started filling with PM's from posters who'd seen what happened & sympathised with me, the collective opinion is that nobody could post in the forum cause it was ruled by this mod & his guard dogs.

I'm aware of 3 forums ran by cliques, I still post there from time to time as they're popular topics but the cut & paste condescending responses are grating.

Gits_bone · 13-02-2015 8:44pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

There is one very popular forum here where I decided to question the perceived wisdom on a popular matter.
I got set upon by the local sewing circle so I fought my corner until the mod came in & deleted my posts lest someone might act on it.
I laughed it off until my inbox started filling with PM's from posters who'd seen what happened & sympathised with me, the collective opinion is that nobody could post in the forum cause it was ruled by this mod & his guard dogs.

I'm aware of 3 forums ran by cliques, I still post there from time to time as they're popular topics but the cut & paste condescending responses are grating.

Sarcasm is a popular one.

Shiraz 4.99 · 13-02-2015 9:01pm

Gits_bone wrote: »

Sarcasm is a popular one.

Right shower of feckers there alright.
The Irony forum was lost on me, nobody got my ferus jokes at all.

KomradeBishop · 13-02-2015 10:00pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'm aware of 3 forums ran by cliques, I still post there from time to time as they're popular topics but the cut & paste condescending responses are grating.

Yea this is probably one of the no.1 non-mod-actionable causes of discussions turning bad and/or getting shut down on Boards, and sometimes it's so frequent, it's often hard not to respond in kind (and end up picking up mod action in the process, eventually - which is easy to become lopsided if it's a whole bunch of posters being highly condescending, against one or two other posters); think I had a thread on it a while back (or which touched on it).

Even though I know it's not actionable, I try to report it when it's particularly unconstructive (as, if I recall correctly, mods suggested it helps establish a pattern) - but don't know whether that's just a nuisance or not.

Trolling 101 & Mod misinterpretation

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