Nappy rash

ComfortKid

Our 5 month old has developed fairly bad nappy rash. Looks fairly sore too. It came out of nowhere. Was fine then 2 hours later it was raw red. Latley her pee seems to smell aswell. Missus makes out it's from teething? Any ideas how to get rid of it? It has to be hurting her! :-(

cerastes

My child rarely suffered any thing worse than a mild rash, I thought this was down to regularly checking when the nappy was full or after a set time as I think urine has a certain pH that aids rashes, maybe try a different nappy brand, we mostly used non branded types and had no problems with them.
Sudocream or some kind of baby barrier cream that you could ask or look for in boots might help.

ComfortKid

Yes we change her nappy every 2 hours,sometimes earlier if we see its wet. Just cant understand how it came out of nowhere, it was fine and literally 2 hours later it was raw. Have been putting plenty sudo on it but doesn't seem to be any improvement

Big Bag of Chips

The two things I found worked best for any of mine were Morhulin cream (cheapest cream in the pharmacy!) and Aldi nappies.

NinjaTruncs

We always used Bepanthen whenever ours would get nappy rash. It always did the trick for us. If the rash was particularly bad we'd cover it with Sudocream.

Frog Song

I can't recommend La Roche Posay Cicaplast enough. My local chemist recommend it to everyone for nappy rash. When all else failed for my niece (sudocrem, Bepanthen, basically every product out there!) this worked wonders. It's amazing stuff. Around €12.50 in most Chemists.

ComfortKid

Big Bag of Chips wrote:

The two things I found worked best for any of mine were Morhulin cream (cheapest cream in the pharmacy!) and Aldi nappies.

She's in Aldi nappies, we find them great, no leaks! Lots of people seem to look down on us for using them though. Will try Morhulin so because the sudo is not helping. Thanks.

pwurple

Teething is blamed for everything from drooling to random rashes, temperatures, to nearly every sickness like tummy bugs and sneezing (and even historically death! People used to cut babies gums during teething). It causes none of those things, but it's a handy scapegoat because babies teeth so often it often overlaps with various ailments.

If it's very bad and patchy or bleeding it could be a fungal infection or something like that. See a GP for it, they have prescription anti-fungal creams for that. Or have a google of fungal nappy rashes if you're not at work maybe.

If it's not too bad, barrier creams like vaseline and changing the nappy very frequently help.

ComfortKid

NinjaTruncs wrote:

We always used Bepanthen whenever ours would get nappy rash. It always did the trick for us. If the rash was particularly bad we'd cover it with Sudocream.

What is Bepanthen? A cream or what? Should we stop using talc powder?

pwurple

ComfortKid wrote: »

She's in Aldi nappies, we find them great, no leaks! Lots of people seem to look down on us for using them though.

LOL, how do they even know what brand of nappy the child is in?

ComfortKid

That's what I said, How the f*** could teeth cause a rash down there! It is fairly bad, not bleeding but looks like a graze or burn. Its 2 or 3 patches. It's like this for 3 days now. Not getting any worse or better. Have been letting her free in her play mat alot hoping the air might do her good but no. You're scaring me now about fungal infections, Il advise her to bring her to doc I think.

cerastes

Didn't use talc until recently, maybe give that up in case it's an allergic or some other kind of reaction? Then you can try rule other things in or out? I think combining products might not help and possibly talc absorbs moisture from the baby's skin? We used aldi nappies infrequently but didn't suit us for the fit,but found lidl, Dunne's and boots all fine.

ComfortKid

pwurple wrote:

LOL, how do they even know what brand of nappy the child is in?

Mother's often discuss what products they use with other mothers ect.

ForstalDave

ComfortKid wrote: »

Our 5 month old has developed fairly bad nappy rash. Looks fairly sore too. It came out of nowhere. Was fine then 2 hours later it was raw red. Latley her pee seems to smell aswell. Missus makes out it's from teething? Any ideas how to get rid of it? It has to be hurting her! :-(

We had this got a powder from the chemist to help cant remember the name but im sure most would be able to help you

ThisRegard

pwurple wrote: »

Teething is blamed for everything from drooling to random rashes, temperatures, to nearly every sickness like tummy bugs and sneezing (and even historically death! People used to cut babies gums during teething). It causes none of those things, but it's a handy scapegoat because babies teeth so often it often overlaps with various ailments.

And then again it could simply be teething. Our son and daughter used/still do get pretty bad rashes when they were teething, their bums would be pretty raw. It's more unlikely that it's a fungal infection.

We tried all the creams mentioned in this thread, including the La Roche stuff, but the Burts Bees Diaper cream is without doubt the best of them all. It puts a nice barrier over the sore part protecting the damaged skin while also doing a pretty great job of healing what's beneath.

It could also be a sign of a food allergy, but you'll get a good idea yourselves over the next while as to how it heals and when it flares up again.

cyning

Morhoulin is gone off market I was heartbroken it was the best thing ever!

That rash you are describing happens my oldest daughter (2.5) she can go from nothing to blisters and bleeding in an hour. Definitely teething related here: she doesn't dribble or drool so swallows it all down you can see the mucosy nappies.

Different creams work for different people: I found the la Roche posey magic for a while (after you couldn't get morhoulin anymore) but now I use sudocrem with Vaseline over it and caldescene powder on top to clear it. Seems to work for now anyway!

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Frog Song wrote: »

I can't recommend La Roche Posay Cicaplast enough. My local chemist recommend it to everyone for nappy rash. When all else failed for my niece (sudocrem, Bepanthen, basically every product out there!) this worked wonders. It's amazing stuff. Around €12.50 in most Chemists.

Second this, I used the la Roche posay hand barrier cream. Amazing. Had literally tried everything, over 2 weeks, next step was doctor, but it was clear within a day of using this.

NinjaTruncs

ComfortKid wrote: »

What is Bepanthen? A cream or what? Should we stop using talc powder?

Yeah it's a cream, we stopped using talc as it never seems to do anything. Bepanthen is available in the supermarkets and boots, I think it's about €8-€9 for a tube, we only ever applied it when there would be nappy rash and then would revert to sudocream afterwards. It was an aunt who works in a chemist who put us onto it.

Suucee

My daughter got rashes like that every time she was getting a new tooth.
We tried loads but what works best is sudocream and caldescene powder.
then letting her sit in a bath with bread soda for a little while. normally by next morning there would be a huge improvement. we would need to do it for about 3 days in a row to completely clear it . been fine since potty training though.
My son has only had 1 rash (so far) done the above and was gone very quickly.

seventeen sheep

ComfortKid wrote: »

That's what I said, How the f*** could teeth cause a rash down there!

Their saliva gets very very acidic with teething. The drool can cause a rash on the face. But they swallow a lot more of it than they drool out. So this often causes stomach issues, such as awful nappies, and sometimes even vomiting. (Some babies are lucky and have none of these issues.)

Bepanthen is brilliant, and so is coconut oil. Both are way better than either sudocrem or vase line. Coconut oil is slightly cheaper and obviously more natural (and can be used as a general moisturiser too, for baby and parents, and also of course for cooking etc.) But if it's very severe, I'd probably use the Bepanthen.

ComfortKid

Thanks for all the tips guys. So many suggestions. The missus actually got caldesene a while ago so we will give that a try for a few days and see how it goes. Glad to see it's fairly common and were not doing anything wrong. I find it hard to believe that teething can cause it but her two bottom teeth came up last week and there's a top one coming through the skin now so it is a bit of a coincidence.

ComfortKid

seventeen sheep wrote:

Their saliva gets very very acidic with teething. The drool can cause a rash on the face. But they swallow a lot more of it than they drool out. So this often causes stomach issues, such as awful nappies, and sometimes even vomiting. (Some babies are lucky and have none of these issues.)

Funny that you say that as she has a small rash around her chin latley. And she has had some explosive nappies too, one made it's way up her back!

Suucee

ComfortKid wrote: »

Funny that you say that as she has a small rash around her chin latley. And she has had some explosive nappies too, one made it's way up her back!

Lovely.
You know the shoulders on baby vests have those folds to make it easy to bring it down the childs body rather than over their head when they have one of those nappies. Reason im telling you this as i never knew that until i had my second baba. i even resorted to cutting a vest off one day.

minibear

Suucee wrote: »

Lovely.
You know the shoulders on baby vests have those folds to make it easy to bring it down the childs body rather than over their head when they have one of those nappies. Reason im telling you this as i never knew that until i had my second baba. i even resorted to cutting a vest off one day.

i didn't know that! good to know, thanks.

When our daughter gets nappy rash we use Caldespray. The rash can appear within hours but using the caldespray usually clears it up within hours or overnight. brilliant stuff.

ComfortKid

Yea she showed me that, very handy! Save having to wash her hair after a poo haha. Thanks.

Big Bag of Chips

ComfortKid wrote: »

And she has had some explosive nappies too, one made it's way up her back!

Welcome to parenthood.

Wonderful, isn't it!!

ComfortKid

Big Bag of Chips wrote:

Wonderful, isn't it!!

Great craic shur, especially at 8am! In fairness we had her stay at her Grandparents the other night for the first time, house felt so empty. I would of gladly changed some stinking nappies.

Neyite

Frog Song wrote: »

I can't recommend La Roche Posay Cicaplast enough. My local chemist recommend it to everyone for nappy rash. When all else failed for my niece (sudocrem, Bepanthen, basically every product out there!) this worked wonders. It's amazing stuff. Around €12.50 in most Chemists.

I found it useless, but I think all those creams are trial and error to see what suits each child. Mostly sudocreme worked for us but we had vasogen, bepanthen, caldesene in our arsenal.

Try to give nappy free time too, put an old towel folded over down and lie her on it without a nappy or creams to let air dry up the rash for as long as you can, as often as you can. I found that helped a lot too.

ComfortKid

Neyite wrote:

Try to give nappy free time too, put an old towel folded over down and lie her on it without a nappy or creams to let air dry up the rash for as long as you can, as often as you can. I found that helped a lot too.

Yea we have been doing this alot now aswell. Like you said tis all trial and error. We'll try the caldesene for 2 or 3 days now and see. Sudocream did nothing for it.

Marz66

My Phn advised bepanthenan with the caldescene powder on top. As the powder will keep the cream on and stop it wiping off.

nikpmup

After trying everything suggested here, I went into the chemist and the pharmacist suggested canestan 1% cream. Cleared it up in 2 days, from bleeding and raw. If it's fungal barrier creams will soothe but they won't clear it up. Might be worth trying if everything else doesn't. You need to use it for a week after the rash clears up to make sure it's gone.

LegacyUser

pwurple wrote: »

Teething is blamed for everything from drooling to random rashes

It most certainly causes these, as well as changes in digestion and nappy contents due to the large volume of saliva swallowed.

Ridiculous advice.

Big Bag of Chips

My friend's baby had terrible nappy rash. The baby was actually raw and blistered for weeks. It actually looked like a burn. She only used Pampers on him because she thought she was using only the best to give him a chance.

Then she saw an article in the paper comparing nappies.

Pampers, it turned out, had the highest bleach content to make them look lovely and white. Aldi came out tops in the comparison so she swapped to Aldi and saw an immediate improvement.

I put a Tesco nappy on my little fella one day and he got a similar reaction. I immediately put a different one on him and it cleared up. A few weeks later, thinking it might have just been a coincidence, I tried again. Exactly the same thing happened. So that packet of nappies was donated to a child who didn't react to them!

Try a few different things. You'll find what works best for your baby. It's such a relief when you find something that works.

Neyite

Servort wrote: »

It most certainly causes these, as well as changes in digestion and nappy contents due to the large volume of saliva swallowed.

Ridiculous advice.

Many doctors and paediatricians and pharmacists are unconvinced, mostly this idea that teething is linked to nappy rash comes from anecdotal accounts from parents themselves. There is no medical proof if I recall correctly that there is a definitive link between nappy rash and teething.

I've seen it in my own child, a rash would flare, then he'd get an elevated temperature and a tooth would appear, so I do think its linked myself. But I also know thats my own gut feeling rather than medical proof.

ThisRegard

I think the anecdotal evidence, while not medically proofed, is overwhelming. Either that, or there's millions of parents out there and their kids having the same coincidental symptoms and causes.

pwurple

Well it's pretty easy to prove that the saliva is not more acidic. You just do a litmus test. It ain't true, sorry, just a mammy-myth.

Drooling has got to do with the activation of salivary glands... it often happens around the same time as teething starts. Mine drooled a lot young, learned how to swallow her drool, and teething started months later. Got teeth with no drool whatsoever.

Other baby did drool as she got a pile of her first teeth, but not for the rest. Timing was different, she just got her teeth younger.

Babies are picking up loads of airborne bugs and their immune system is constantly learning in those first few months. Nappies change very often, teething or not. I've a 11 month old with three teeth, she hasn't gotten teeth in months, but still has the odd explosive nappy session, tiny bit of rash etc.

Of all the other things going on in her life, new food, going new places, the whole family traipsing through her life with new bugs on us and in the air.... I don't know how people assume the one changing variable is teeth with all the other millions of things going on? Looking for a culprit I guess.

But hey, whatever the cause, you can't exactly stop them getting teeth, or meeting people, or eating, so you look after the nappy rash all on it's own.


I don't know how that is "ridiculous advice".

Neyite

ThisRegard wrote: »

I think the anecdotal evidence, while not medically proofed, is overwhelming. Either that, or there's millions of parents out there and their kids having the same coincidental symptoms and causes.

Dunno about overwhelming, but I do see that its very commonly linked. Its when people start saying the rash is caused by acidity in saliva etc is when its stops becoming anecdotal and becomes more cyberdiagnostic.

My theory, is that when we are unwell or in pain, our stomachs can sometimes get upset too, and that it might be something like this causes changes in nappy contents and a rash. I know several children who would puke on certain foods - mainly dairy -when teething, but eat it happily the rest of the time.

And pee smelling more pungent? Simply put, they are ingesting less fluids when poorly, they drink less because they have sore mouths and probably less of an appetite.

Those are my theories - untested and unproven though!

ThisRegard

Maybe, puts pedantic hat on, but teething ultimately causes it.

I'm far from the airy fairy 7th son of a 7th son with the cure and magic crystals homeopathic type, but I do think they're linked.

ComfortKid

Neyite wrote:

And pee smelling more pungent? Simply put, they are ingesting less fluids when poorly, they drink less because they have sore mouths and probably less of an appetite.

Our one certainly isn't drinking less fluids. She's perfectly normal apart from drooling and nappy rash. I wasn't inclined to believe the rash was caused by teething but it can't be such a coincidence that it happens to thousands or millions of babys at the same time as the teething starts.